whos team is this?

[HereWeStay]

watching the half time show got me thinking, who's the leader of the team? its def not cousins. the players are sort of sick of him and his attitude. who's the leader/ vocal leader of the team? chuck hayes?

 

[LWP777]

This isn't going to go over very well.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Vivek's

 

[DesertFox]

IT, which is only a bad thing because he also thinks that means he should take the most shots every game.
When you're on fire, let it rip. Otherwise, remember you're a PG on a team with Evans and Cousins.

 

[Bricklayer]

From what I have heard the wonderful Kings TV staff have been trying very very VERY hard to tell you the team is IT's, that he is an All Star, and probably great in bed too. So you should probably just take their word for it when they sell that to you again.

The team will belong to whoever is the new coach.

 

[jcwkings]

IT is the leader of this team, its no suprise we have played better overall since he was given full starter minutes meaning 30+. Everyone on the team hates or at the very least is fed up with Cousins. Tyreke has the personality of John Salmons. IT is a vocal leader, is the PG and isn't afraid of putting the team on his back. It seems the haters on here only notice his on his weaknesses or "short"comings. I'd rather have 10 Isaiah's than a team full of talented loafs like Cousins. BTW it is clear that Cousins hasn't improved very much, or not at all since his rookie season. He still sucks at finishing inside, he still commits bonehead fouls and looks shocked that they get called. Still turns the ball over way too much, still has a non existant go to post move, and just looks uncomfortable in the post in general. Anything i see him do, i can say he could have done in his rookie season. On the otherhand guys like Kevin Durant have improved year by year, showing clear improvement.

 

[VF21]

IT is the leader of this team, its no suprise we have played better overall since he was given full starter minutes meaning 30+. Everyone on the team hates or at the very least is fed up with Cousins. Tyreke has the personality of John Salmons. IT is a vocal leader, is the PG and isn't afraid of putting the team on his back. It seems the haters on here only notice his on his weaknesses or "short"comings. I'd rather have 10 Isaiah's than a team full of talented loafs like Cousins. BTW it is clear that Cousins hasn't improved very much, or not at all since his rookie season. He still sucks at finishing inside, he still commits bonehead fouls and looks shocked that they get called. Still turns the ball over way too much, still has a non existant go to post move, and just looks uncomfortable in the post in general. Anything i see him do, i can say he could have done in his rookie season. On the otherhand guys like Kevin Durant have improved year by year, showing clear improvement.

You know, your argument might have garnered some support from me right up until you had to throw Cousins under the bus for whatever reason. It's gotten to be a bad habit around here. If any one player is given positive comments, there has to be a corresponding negative comment about someone else. It's getting pretty ridiculous.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

IT is the leader of this team, its no suprise we have played better overall since he was given full starter minutes meaning 30+. Everyone on the team hates or at the very least is fed up with Cousins. Tyreke has the personality of John Salmons. IT is a vocal leader, is the PG and isn't afraid of putting the team on his back. It seems the haters on here only notice his on his weaknesses or "short"comings. I'd rather have 10 Isaiah's than a team full of talented loafs like Cousins. BTW it is clear that Cousins hasn't improved very much, or not at all since his rookie season. He still sucks at finishing inside, he still commits bonehead fouls and looks shocked that they get called. Still turns the ball over way too much, still has a non existant go to post move, and just looks uncomfortable in the post in general. Anything i see him do, i can say he could have done in his rookie season. On the otherhand guys like Kevin Durant have improved year by year, showing clear improvement.

 

[jcwkings]

You know, your argument might have garnered some support from me right up until you had to throw Cousins under the bus for whatever reason. It's gotten to be a bad habit around here. If any one player is given positive comments, there has to be a corresponding negative comment about someone else. It's getting pretty ridiculous.

I just call it as i see it, Cousins is an immature, lazy hot head being paid millions. This is pro sports, these guys should garner no sympathy for clearly not producing to the level that should be expected. If Cousins comes back next year playing hard, showing clear improvement in the post, showing maturity, not complaining to the refs every call, not leading the league in technical fouls, not getting suspended 3 or 4 times in one season, than i will be the first to acknowledge it and support him. Until then I have the right to call a duck a duck. I'm sorry if I'm not a fan that tries to spin everything into something positive, when it clearly isn't.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I just call it as i see it, Cousins is an immature, lazy hot head being paid millions. This is pro sports, these guys should garner no sympathy for clearly not producing to the level that should be expected. If Cousins comes back next year playing hard, showing clear improvement in the post, showing maturity, not complaining to the refs every call, not leading the league in technical fouls, not getting suspended 3 or 4 times in one season, than i will be the first to acknowledge it and support him. Until then I have the right to call a duck a duck. I'm sorry if I'm not a fan that tries to spin everything into something positive, when it clearly isn't.

 

[LWP777]

I just call it as i see it, Cousins is an immature, lazy hot head being paid millions. This is pro sports, these guys should garner no sympathy for clearly not producing to the level that should be expected. If Cousins comes back next year playing hard, showing clear improvement in the post, showing maturity, not complaining to the refs every call, not leading the league in technical fouls, not getting suspended 3 or 4 times in one season, than i will be the first to acknowledge it and support him. Until then I have the right to call a duck a duck. I'm sorry if I'm not a fan that tries to spin everything into something positive, when it clearly isn't.

You are my new hero

 

[Bricklayer]

I'd rather have 10 Isaiah's than a team full of talented loafs like Cousins.

Can I play your team? Can I? Please please?

 

[Agent23]

 

[uolj]

The team will belong to whoever is the new coach.

Or whoever the new coach puts in that position on the floor.

Evans may not have the personality for it, but if he was the clear number 1 (like his rookie season) he'd be the leader of the team. If Cousins is made the focus of the team by the new coach and takes advantage of that opportunity, he will be a leader of the team (although he would probably need veteran assistance to fill that role).

If the team doesn't start winning, there won't be a team leader. My best guess/hope is that Cousins and Evans are made the focal point and do well in those positions, and be the loud and quiet tag team leaders.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

I'm continually amazed at the lack of general basketball knowledge by some around here. The teams best, most talented player, who is consistently double teamed on a nightly basis, is constantly ridiculed yet players who don't affect the game nearly the same are praised because they're perceived as "nice" guys.

I'm a huge fan of IT. He definitely has a role with this team. I'd love to see him in Sacramento for a long, long time. That said, comparing his value to this franchise with that of DeMarcus Cousins shows a total lack of knowledge about the game.

IT being more of a leader than DCuz is certainly valid argument. But openly stating that you'd take a team of IT's over a team of Cousins' reaks of a personal agenda and hatred. Despite Cousins checked reputation and history, I'm 100% confident that there isn't a single NBA GM that would agree with you.

 

[The_Jamal]

Whether good, bad, or indiffierent, I would say IT is the closest thing to a vocal leader that we have. Reke, even during his rookie year when he was the golden child of the franchise and NBA, was never great at the whole vocal leader thing. And Cousins is not for obvious reasons

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Whether good, bad, or indiffierent, I would say IT is the closest thing to a vocal leader that we have. Reke, even during his rookie year when he was the golden child of the franchise and NBA, was never great at the whole vocal leader thing. And Cousins is not for obvious reasons

 

[Telemachus]

I don't think there is a leader on this team, and that is one of their major problems. If you listen to Grant, then you would think that IT is the leader. But I just don't see it out on the floor. When you watch most teams it is very easy to spot the leader by how he takes charge when things start going poorly. There is no one player that consistantly does that on the Kings. What I do find interesting though is that Cousins is one of the team captains. I would be interested to know how the Kings choose their captains, and why he was chosen (if he is really the cancer that Mr. Napier tries to make him out to be).

 

[Sac.1989]

this team is tyreke's and will go as far as our new coach and system take us. Boogie's ability to buy into that system and keep his head will result in championships or bust.

 

[ppine]

jcwkings,
What you said.

 

[t-rex]

It should be Patrick Patterson in time.

 

[pshn80]

You know, your argument might have garnered some support from me right up until you had to throw Cousins under the bus for whatever reason. It's gotten to be a bad habit around here. If any one player is given positive comments, there has to be a corresponding negative comment about someone else. It's getting pretty ridiculous.

Before I read your comment or the one you responded to, it occurred to me that it wasn't Cousins and whoever was the vocal leader he had to be subdued, low keyed because of the Cousins status and personality. Evans is quiet and Cousins doesn't want it and isn't there enough. Cousins terrific talent and the high expectations of him puts him in the cat bird seat - be a vocal leader if you want but you better keep your eye on him.

 

[Padrino]

who's team is this? well, that question is up in the air, because no one has claimed it. the kings are in flux, so it's not surprising that the leadership structure has gone from fragile to full collapse in the last few seasons. but new ownership, new general management, and new coaching will likely help to return qualified leadership at the top most levels of the organization. from there, we may see a reflection in the team itself. until then, it's all a floundering mess. you woefully insistent naysayers can have your IT-as-vocal-leader-of-this-terrible-team, but i raise you ranadive/mastrov/burkle/jacobs, and whatever they build together...

 

[deekay2o9]

They way Tyreke improved this year, as long as he continues doing it, it can most likely be his team. He can be a lead by example guy instead of a vocal guy. Tyreke has never complained since he's been here and aside from that really dumb speeding incident, he has not created any troubles. Demarcus is the better talent for sure but he's too much of a loose cannon personality wise.

 

[kingsnation]

This team is no one's.

And that's our biggest problem.

 

[Variant]

This team is no one's.

And that's our biggest problem.

Agreed (or a symptom of our biggest problem -- no one's roles are defined, or at least -- they change from game to game).

 

[Cwebb#4]

I think it's John's team. He doesn't exactly control the court, but he's a highly experienced veteran who knows all about the game, and I think he is a good leader as well.

 

[LWP777]

They way Tyreke improved this year, as long as he continues doing it, it can most likely be his team. He can be a lead by example guy instead of a vocal guy. Tyreke has never complained since he's been here and aside from that really dumb speeding incident, he has not created any troubles. Demarcus is the better talent for sure but he's too much of a loose cannon personality wise.

Doesn't matter how much he's improved. He's not a leader. Never has been. Never will be.

 

[Gilles]

Yeah, he will never step up in the middle of the room, beat himself in the chest and proclaim this is his team. But when his coach asks him to break defense to create scoring opportunities for himself or his teammates Tyreke won't go stand in the corner either, unless he suffers PTSD from smart treatment.

 

[deekay2o9]

Doesn't matter how much he's improved. He's not a leader. Never has been. Never will be.

There's different types of leadership. He doesn't have to be vocal. By working hard and being a solid teammate, he can be someone who younger teammates look up to.