who would you like in the starting 5 next year?

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who would you like in the starting 5 next year ?

1. no dream team
2. optional you can say how the kings got him (draft,free agent,trade)
3. bench is optional

Stephen curry at the point (with okc pick)
kevin martin at the 2
jeff green at the 3 (part of the okc trade)
jason thompson at the 4
spencer hawes at the 5
 
heres my ideal scenerio for this years draft. i hope that rubio is number one on our draft board and im praying we get the number 1 pick. why? so we can trade that pick to a team desprate to pick griffin (hopefully whoever is number 2 in the draft...clippers? thunder?) anyways, here's my line up for next year

1-rubio (picked 2nd)
2-martin
3-al thornton or jeff green (thornton or green/2nd pick for our 1st overall)
4-jt
5-spence

now i just threw this together real quick, there could be better options out there, but this is certainly one of them =)
 
1.John Wall (If not Rubio) 2.Kevin Martin 3.Noc 4.Jason Thompson 5.Spencer Hawes

Bendch: Beno, Garcia, Diogu.

I really hope John Wall somehow get approved for the draft.
And I don't see Beno getting traded.
Sign Diogu, and bobby Jackson,McCants, and draft PG and big man.
 
PG - Baron Davis (trade for Beno + KT)
SG - KMart
SF - S. Marion (SnT for Noc)
PF - Blake Griffin
C - Hawes

Bench:

Patrick Mills (31st pick)
JT
Garcia
BJ Mullen (23rd pick)
Greene
 
Yea im sure thats on the clipps agenda.


1. BD wants out badly.
2. KT is an expiring.
3. Clippers wanted Beno.
4. It's the Clips

Sometimes that's enough to get it done. It's all just a guessing game anything so why not dream big?

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John Wall is not going to be in the draft. He already confirmed he's going to college next year.

Since this is just for fun anyway, how about this:

1. Brandon Jennings
2. Kevin Martin
3. Al Thornton
4. Jason Thompson
5. Spencer Hawes

(1) From draft (3) Trade with Clippers -- Sterling reportedly doesn't like him.

The idea here being to stick with what worked (Martin, Hawes, Thompson) and re-shuffle the rest. I'd try to bring Diogu back but let the rest of the FAs go. Cisco is the 6th man with Beno, Diogu, and Donte off the bench plus someone else from the draft. Probably BJ Mullens if he's still there. I thought about Beno to the Clipps for Baron as well. Could work. But I eventually decided I'd rather go young at the point. And if Baron isn't a good fit, you'd be screwed. I also thought about maybe trying to sign Marvin Williams at the 3, cause Atlanta is cheap and they don't really need him. Depends how much he would cost though. I'm not convinced he's going to be better than average.
 
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I'm surprised people would still want Baron Davis after his horrible year with the Clippers. He is way too inconsistent, injury prone, and overpaid. Getting him would set the Kings back for years to come.

Realistically our starting line up will most likely be the same as this year with our upcoming rookies fighting for the starting spots. Rubio will be behind Beno until he is ready to take the starting spot or Blake Griffin will be behind Jason Thompson, unless Griffin prove he is better than Thompson.

Realistically I could see our line up being this..

Ramon Sessions (Beno) (rookie)
Kevin Martin (Cisco) (rookie)
Andres Nocioni (Cisco) (Greene)
Blake Griffin (Thompson) (Greene)
Spencer Hawes (Thompson)

I could see us winning about 40 to 50 games with this line up if our players are as good as advertised. Spencer hawes and Thompson will be much improved. We'll have Hawes and Griffin as our inside precense / martin as our Sharp shooter and slasher / Sessions our ball distributor getting 9+ assits per game / Andres Nocioni, Cisco, and Thompson as our hustle hardnose energy type guys. We'll also have the other 2 rookies who could surprise us.
 
PG - Baron Davis (trade for Beno + KT)
SG - KMart
SF - S. Marion (SnT for Noc)
PF - Blake Griffin
C - Hawes

Bench:

Patrick Mills (31st pick)
JT
Garcia
BJ Mullen (23rd pick)
Greene

i actually wouldnt mind going to arco to see this team play. i think its a solid 5 and if mullens, mills and greene live up to expectation, we'd be deep team.

for the long term, i'm sure there are doubters...a lot of doubters due to davis(davis having a bad year would probably be the reason we could pick him up for next to nothing). but on paper this team could easily be a 5-8 seed team.
 
I'm surprised people would still want Baron Davis after his horrible year with the Clippers. He is way too inconsistent, injury prone, and overpaid. Getting him would set the Kings back for years to come.

Here's the thing, if you're going to pay $13+ millions for Session and Beno, I'd rather have Baron Davis for roughly the same price. His contract is just as long as Beno and he's a much better PG. Unless of course the argument is that Session is better than BD, which I just have to disagree. Plus, we have no chance of signing Session unless we way overbid.

As for BD, his back is always a concern. But in the right system, BD can carry a team on his back deep into the playoff. It's a gamble and it's about making the best of a crappy situation (Beno's and KT's contracts). Do I like BD? Not that much. But he's the best available PG we actually have a slim shot at. In a perfect world, we'd have Derrick Rose running the poing for us. In the fantasy world, BD is just as viable as Session.

And in the real world... BD is not coming, Session is not coming, and we're likely stuck with Beno as the starter and a young rookie PG backing him up. That's the reality.
 
Perfect situation.. Kings get #1, and OKC gets #2.....

1. Kings draft Griffin
2. OKC Drafts Rubio
3. Kings trade Griffin, and #23 pick to OKC for Green, and Rubio.
4. Kings don't have to spend $$ on FAs (other than to fill the roster with min salaries at 1yr deals because they have a talented young team to develop)


Kings Lineup next year is...

PG- Rubio/Beno
SG- Martin/Garcia/??
SF- Green/Nocioni/Greene
PF- Thompson/Nocioni/Greene
C- Hawes/??

Garcia, and Nocioni are two tough guys off the bench.
 
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I like these kind of threads, so I'll propose two alternatives:

C- Hawes (Pachulia as FA)
PF- Thompson (Najera)
SF- Turkoglu (Nocioni)
PG- Rubio (Udrih)
SG- Martin (Garcia)
OTHERS:
D. Green, SF; S.Williams, PF; Hassell, SG.

COMMENTS:
It's not pretty, but I think they would be a significant improvement from this season. Najera, Sean Williams, and Trenton Hassell are acquired for KT (big expiring they would covet) and our 2nd pick of the draft, as well as a future 2nd. Hedo would love to play for Carrill again. Pachulia is a nice versatile C that would play a nice filler role. Hassel provides good situational D when needed with plenty of other offense to carry his load.

OTHER OPTION:

C- Hawes (FA as backup)
PF- Griffin (Diogu)
SF- V. Carter (Green)
PG- Sessions (Udrih)
SG- Martin (D. Mason as FA)
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OTHERS: Backup C, one more PG (Jackson on a cheap?)

COMMENTS:
Nocioni, Thompson, KT traded to Nets for V. Carter. Provides nice rebounding from SF role, Nets get a big PF they can desperately use plus cap relief and a serviceable SF to fill the gap. Depth takes a major hit, but front five puts us back in some striking distance of playoffs. Could grow into a cohesive core.

Which lineup gets the better applause by the board?
 
Perfect situation.. Kings get #1, and OKC gets #2.....

1. Kings draft Griffin
2. OKC Drafts Rubio
3. Kings trade Griffin, and #23 pick to OKC for Green, and Rubio.
4. Kings don't have to spend $$ on FAs (other than to fill the roster with min salaries at 1yr deals because they have a talented young team to develop)


Kings Lineup next year is...

PG- Rubio/Beno
SG- Martin/Garcia/??
SF- Green/Nocioni/Greene
PF- Thompson/Nocioni/Greene
C- Hawes/??

Garcia, and Nocioni are two tough guys off the bench.


great minds think a like...this was my exact scenario haha
 
I'm surprised people would still want Baron Davis after his horrible year with the Clippers. He is way too inconsistent, injury prone, and overpaid. Getting him would set the Kings back for years to come.

Realistically our starting line up will most likely be the same as this year with our upcoming rookies fighting for the starting spots. Rubio will be behind Beno until he is ready to take the starting spot or Blake Griffin will be behind Jason Thompson, unless Griffin prove he is better than Thompson.

Realistically I could see our line up being this..

Ramon Sessions (Beno) (rookie)
Kevin Martin (Cisco) (rookie)
Andres Nocioni (Cisco) (Greene)
Blake Griffin (Thompson) (Greene)
Spencer Hawes (Thompson)

I could see us winning about 40 to 50 games with this line up if our players are as good as advertised. Spencer hawes and Thompson will be much improved. We'll have Hawes and Griffin as our inside precense / martin as our Sharp shooter and slasher / Sessions our ball distributor getting 9+ assits per game / Andres Nocioni, Cisco, and Thompson as our hustle hardnose energy type guys. We'll also have the other 2 rookies who could surprise us.

OoOooo.... I'm really liking this one. Seems like it would be fairly doable as well. Next step would of course be SF, but we can deal with that in 010's draft.
 
I want to be a believer that we got a diamond in the rough when we traded for Donte Greene. Hopefully Natt and Reggie just forgot to focus on developing this kid. And that he will work out hard this summer with Jason and Spence and comeback and earn the starting SF position.

PG - Rubio (6'4")
SG - Martin (6'7")
SF - Greene (6'9")
PF - Thompson (6'11")
C - Hawes (7'1")

That's a big, young, fast, and talented starting five that I hope we will showcase for a lot of years. That lineup is overflowing with potential and I hope we can get the right coach and system to utilize it efficiently.

A bench of

PG - Beno (if we can trade him, I prefer Maynor or Mills here)
SG - Garcia (McCants may also be potential to stay)
SF - Nocioni
PF - Diogu / Pendergraph (if we let Ike go)
C - Camby/Gadzuric (whichever we can land with a KT/Beno trade)

Plus we still have 2 picks to either play or package with KT or Beno trade.
 
Here are 2 lineups depending on the draft situation. This isn't with all the picks, free agents and what not, just team now with the top pick.

PG - Rubio, Jackson, Udrih
SG - Martin, Garcia, McCants
SF - Nocioni, Greene
PF - Thompson, Ike Diogu
C - Hawes, (Draft Pick)

PG - Udrih, Jackson
SG - Martin, Garcia, McCants
SF - Griffin, Nocioni, Greene
PF - Thompson, Ike Diogu
C - Hawes, (Draft Pick)

The Donte Greene situation is interesting because he has a loads of talent but things get mixed up with Nocioni. McCants I think will be a sign and trade deal. We might see a draft day trade which is a good idea.
 
C-Hawes/ (#31 Taj Gibson)/Thompson
PF-Thompson/Green/Nocioni/Gibson
SF-Garcia/Nocioni/Green
SG-Martin/ (#23 Tyreke Evans)
PG-Rubio or Jennings (prefereably Rubio)/Beno/Bobby

Green, Gibson & Noc could battle for back up PF minutes,
Tyreke could back Martin up and contest Beno for minutes at backup PG.
Garcia and Noc can battle that SF spot out too.
 
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This is what I like to see as the eventual starting five of the Kings maybe before the 20th game next season.

#5 - Thabeet ( 7' 3" )
#4 - Hawes ( 7' 0" ) or Thompson ( 6' 11" )
#3 - Greene ( 6' 10" ) or Thompson ( 6' 11" )
#2 - Martin ( 6' 7" )
#1 - Iverson ( 6' 0" )

We have instant firepower on Martin and Iverson. Iverson also provides the needed veteran leadership and attraction for gate receipts. Thabeet hopefully develops fast as our anchor on defense - with Hawes, Thompson, and Greene providing added frontline defensive support against the likes of Bynum, Gasol, Odom of Lakers, etc.

Thabeet comes from our 2nd or 3rd lottery pick. We get the relatively short contract of Iverson via trade ( Udrih, Nocioni, plus Thomas - expiring contract )

Final Rotation:

#5 Thabeet ( 7' 3" ) 24 min, Hawes ( 7' 0" ) 24 min
#4 Hawes ( 7' 0" ) 12 min, Thompson ( 6' 11" ) 36 min
#3 Greene ( 6' 10" ) 24 min, Garcia ( 6' 7" ) 24 min
#2 Martin ( 6' 7" ) 36 min, Garcia ( 6' 7" ) 12 min
#1 Iverson ( 6' 0" ) 36 min, Late Houston 1st round Pick 12 min.

Reserves: Ike Diogou, Macants, and Bonzi Wells and Bobby Jackson providing added veteran bench support.
 
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This is what I like to see as the eventual starting five of the Kings maybe before the 20th game next season.

#5 - Thabeet ( 7' 3" )
#4 - Hawes ( 7' 0" ) or Thompson ( 6' 11" )
#3 - Greene ( 6' 10" ) or Thompson ( 6' 11" )
#2 - Martin ( 6' 7" )
#1 - Iverson ( 6' 0" )

We have instant firepower on Martin and Iverson. Iverson also provides the needed veteran leadership and attraction for gate receipts. Thabeet hopefully develops fast as our anchor on defense - with Hawes, Thompson, and Greene providing added frontline defensive support against the likes of Bynum, Gasol, Odom of Lakers, etc.

Thabeet comes from our 2nd or 3rd lottery pick. We get the relatively short contract of Iverson via trade ( Udrih, Nocioni, plus Thomas - expiring contract )

Final Rotation:

#5 Thabeet ( 7' 3" ) 24 min, Hawes ( 7' 0" ) 24 min
#4 Hawes ( 7' 0" ) 12 min, Thompson ( 6' 11" ) 36 min
#3 Greene ( 6' 10" ) 24 min, Garcia ( 6' 7" ) 24 min
#2 Martin ( 6' 7" ) 36 min, Garcia ( 6' 7" ) 12 min
#1 Iverson ( 6' 0" ) 36 min, Late Houston 1st round Pick 12 min.

Reserves: Ike Diogou, Macants, and Bonzi Wells and Bobby Jackson providing added veteran bench support.

God no Iverson. Most overrated player in NBA history. Ball hog, undersized SG who is not a good passser at all.
 
This is what I like to see as the eventual starting five of the Kings maybe before the 20th game next season.

#5 - Thabeet ( 7' 3" )
#4 - Hawes ( 7' 0" ) or Thompson ( 6' 11" )
#3 - Greene ( 6' 10" ) or Thompson ( 6' 11" )
#2 - Martin ( 6' 7" )
#1 - Iverson ( 6' 0" )

We have instant firepower on Martin and Iverson. Iverson also provides the needed veteran leadership and attraction for gate receipts. Thabeet hopefully develops fast as our anchor on defense - with Hawes, Thompson, and Greene providing added frontline defensive support against the likes of Bynum, Gasol, Odom of Lakers, etc.

Thabeet comes from our 2nd or 3rd lottery pick. We get the relatively short contract of Iverson via trade ( Udrih, Nocioni, plus Thomas - expiring contract )

Final Rotation:

#5 Thabeet ( 7' 3" ) 24 min, Hawes ( 7' 0" ) 24 min
#4 Hawes ( 7' 0" ) 12 min, Thompson ( 6' 11" ) 36 min
#3 Greene ( 6' 10" ) 24 min, Garcia ( 6' 7" ) 24 min
#2 Martin ( 6' 7" ) 36 min, Garcia ( 6' 7" ) 12 min
#1 Iverson ( 6' 0" ) 36 min, Late Houston 1st round Pick 12 min.

Reserves: Ike Diogou, Macants, and Bonzi Wells and Bobby Jackson providing added veteran bench support.


I'm sorry, but I'd become a Lakers fan if this was our team. Also, Bonzi Wells providing veteran bench support? Didn't he just get cut from some recreational Chinese team? The guy is finished playing not to mention he's one of the worst kind of guys you'd ever want around your developing kids. After turning down the Kings offer a few years ago (thank God) he's become Sprewell like in his legacy.
 
I'm surprised people would still want Baron Davis after his horrible year with the Clippers. He is way too inconsistent, injury prone, and overpaid. Getting him would set the Kings back for years to come.

Realistically our starting line up will most likely be the same as this year with our upcoming rookies fighting for the starting spots. Rubio will be behind Beno until he is ready to take the starting spot or Blake Griffin will be behind Jason Thompson, unless Griffin prove he is better than Thompson.

Realistically I could see our line up being this..

Ramon Sessions (Beno) (rookie)
Kevin Martin (Cisco) (rookie)
Andres Nocioni (Cisco) (Greene)
Blake Griffin (Thompson) (Greene)
Spencer Hawes (Thompson)

I could see us winning about 40 to 50 games with this line up if our players are as good as advertised. Spencer hawes and Thompson will be much improved. We'll have Hawes and Griffin as our inside precense / martin as our Sharp shooter and slasher / Sessions our ball distributor getting 9+ assits per game / Andres Nocioni, Cisco, and Thompson as our hustle hardnose energy type guys. We'll also have the other 2 rookies who could surprise us.

it would set the franchise back big time. you know we haven't scored that "superstar/franchise" player yet either. we'll be one of those middling teams getting bounced annually from the playoffs if we get there.
 
Hey this IS fun! So many hilarious sets and rosters. Oh well, here is my logical roster.

1. Beno, Rubio, BJax
2. Kevin, Cisco, McCants
3. Noce, Greene, draft/FA/trade
4. JT, draft/FA, (Noce in small ball situations)
5. Hawes, Ike, draft/FA

That's 14 but could be 13 with 2 in D-League Bighorns. Get Rubio straight up or via trade. Need couple of real scorers who can defend off bench.

Rubio would need time to get into NBA game. He would get minutes but behind Beno. The PG is the hardest position in the NBA and has taken eventual MVP's 3-4 years to begin to show their real value and performance.

One good new big off bench plus couple of "tweeners" who can defend and score from anywhere. So chuckle off to Buffalo while munching on this one.
 
PG: Rubio
SG: Martin
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: JT / Hawes
C: Thabeet / Hawes

How to get there:
* Rubio with our pick
* Thabeet: If Washington gets pick 3 or lower I think it is very possible they would be open to a trade that we are in a unique position to offer. Could be including a combo of a fiery vet they publicly desire (Nocioni), up to 7M in salary relief to get under the tax line (which as it stands they will be 10M over and have NEVER gone over before), and one of our lower 2 picks this year. Get the pick somehow and pick Thabeet. Hawes, JT, and Thabeet can all get 30+ minutes each.
* Wallace: likely a longshot, but rumors of Wallace being available have been out there as well as rumors about us being interested in bringing him back. Bobcats are also seriously losing money and can't seem to get into the playoffs as currently constructed. Larry Brown is nuts. Jordan is calling the shots. Something crazy could happen. We don't have a lot of assets left to get it done, but we could offer some combo of Nocioni or Garcia + KT's expiring, plus a lower pick this year, plus a heavily protected future first, plus take on Nazr Mohammad's 2 years left (he has asked to be traded). Nocioni or Garcia fills Wallace's spot, they get lower 2 picks, save about $25M total, and clear a bad contract. Crazier things have happened, although I still see this as a longshot. Wallace is IMO a perfect wing compliment to Kevin Martin because he is the same age as Kevin, will play defense, is an incredible rebounder for a SF, and doesn't need a ton of shots while still being a scoring threat. Every weakness of Kevin is Wallace's strength.

With these moves we basically build a defense in 1 year. We have our anchor in Thabeet to challenge big men with his size and shut down guards entering the lane. Wallace is our active wing defender to guard the other team's best wing player. Rubio brings the ball movement and will at least be a more active defender than Beno.
 
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perfect Situation.. Kings Get #1, And Okc Gets #2.....

1. Kings Draft Griffin
2. Okc Drafts Rubio
3. Kings Trade Griffin, And #23 Pick To Okc For Green, And Rubio.
4. Kings Don't Have To Spend $$ On Fas (other Than To Fill The Roster With Min Salaries At 1yr Deals Because They Have A Talented Young Team To Develop)


Kings Lineup Next Year Is...

Pg- Rubio/beno
Sg- Martin/garcia/??
Sf- Green/nocioni/greene
Pf- Thompson/nocioni/greene
C- Hawes/??

Garcia, And Nocioni Are Two Tough Guys Off The Bench.

this. Seems like a good start for a depth chart. Beno, Cisco, Noc are all GREAT backup players. Lots of energy and they play a different style of ball than the starters so it changes the game up, throws opposition off, forces other teams to adjust to a new style of play. This is the best situation IMO.

Something to add, hopefully we can get Diogu at the minimum and we draft a gem at #31. Who knows, but Petrie is good at this sort of thing.
 
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PG: Rubio
SG: Martin
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: JT / Hawes
C: Thabeet / Hawes

How to get there:
* Rubio with our pick
* Thabeet: If Washington gets pick 3 or lower I think it is very possible they would be open to a trade that we are in a unique position to offer. Could be including a combo of a fiery vet they publicly desire (Nocioni), up to 7M in salary relief to get under the tax line (which as it stands they will be 10M over and have NEVER gone over before), and one of our lower 2 picks this year. Get the pick somehow and pick Thabeet. Hawes, JT, and Thabeet can all get 30+ minutes each.
* Wallace: likely a longshot, but rumors of Wallace being available have been out there as well as rumors about us being interested in bringing him back. Bobcats are also seriously losing money and can't seem to get into the playoffs as currently constructed. Larry Brown is nuts. Jordan is calling the shots. Something crazy could happen. We don't have a lot of assets left to get it done, but we could offer some combo of Nocioni or Garcia + KT's expiring, plus a lower pick this year, plus a heavily protected future first, plus take on Nazr Mohammad's 2 years left (he has asked to be traded). Nocioni or Garcia fills Wallace's spot, they get lower 2 picks, save about $25M total, and clear a bad contract. Crazier things have happened, although I still see this as a longshot. Wallace is IMO a perfect wing compliment to Kevin Martin because he is the same age as Kevin, will play defense, is an incredible rebounder for a SF, and doesn't need a ton of shots while still being a scoring threat. Every weakness of Kevin is Wallace's strength.

With these moves we basically build a defense in 1 year. We have our anchor in Thabeet to challenge big men with his size and shut down guards entering the lane. Wallace is our active wing defender to guard the other team's best wing player. Rubio brings the ball movement and will at least be a more active defender than Beno.


Washington's position in the draft has me interested for the same reason -- they could very well be open to a deal for that pick to get immediate help to put around the Big Three. I had/have even considered the implications if John Wall entered the draft and we and Washington got the #1/#2 of throwing Kevin Martin's name out there to try to get Griffin/Wall or Wall/Thabeet (they having no need for a PF or PG, but a great need for an OG).
 
Let's say Wash gets the #2 or #3. Is it worth trading Martin for that pick and, say, Javale McGee? If anything, it gives us even more flexibility because we gain another potential trading piece in McGee. He's a local as well and has the tools to be a good center as well (shotblocking presence).
 
Washington's position in the draft has me interested for the same reason -- they could very well be open to a deal for that pick to get immediate help to put around the Big Three. I had/have even considered the implications if John Wall entered the draft and we and Washington got the #1/#2 of throwing Kevin Martin's name out there to try to get Griffin/Wall or Wall/Thabeet (they having no need for a PF or PG, but a great need for an OG).

You really think Jamison is their long term plan at the 4 (He'll be 33 next season)? I wouldn't think if they had a chance that they wouldn't move him if something better came along. I think due to the structure of their team they would be extremely interrested in Thabeet. They have Haywood but he is not really all that great. The only guys I think they are set or stuck with are Butler and Arenas right now. The rest of the team and players are pretty meaningless. Obviously McGee, Critt, Blatche are probally decent young answers at their respective positions but none are really that great.
 
Let's say Wash gets the #2 or #3. Is it worth trading Martin for that pick and, say, Javale McGee? If anything, it gives us even more flexibility because we gain another potential trading piece in McGee. He's a local as well and has the tools to be a good center as well (shotblocking presence).

I think the answer to that question depends almost entirely on two things:

1) where are we picking ourselves; and

2) what is your read on the PGs in the draft, Rubio, Jennings, or the unlikely appearance of John Wall. If you think one of those guys is going to be a real star I say its on the table. Or should be. If you're not sure about those guys, then that's a heck of a risk to take and could set us back if you are wrong. I think John Wall is the real deal. I think Rubio could be the real deal but there are some flags. I think Jennings has the talent to be the real deal but needs a brain transplant, or I guess a brain implant given that transplant suggests that you are actually swapping one out.
 
it would set the franchise back big time. you know we haven't scored that "superstar/franchise" player yet either. we'll be one of those middling teams getting bounced annually from the playoffs if we get there.

I know it is a big risk and we may likely not score that superstar/franchise type talent 10 years later. I don't think it would set the franchise back all that much if at all. The only change I've made is adding Sessions who is a young promising point guard and it is a given that we will likely end up with Griffin if we land the #1 pick. Now if we sign old aging veterans then that would hinder that franchise a lot more. If and that is a big if everything is as good as advertised and Griffin becomes a 20/10 guy along with Martin who is a 24+ point scorer/all-star with the improvement with Hawes and Thompson, we should have a pretty decent line up. Obviously that line up isn't done yet. We will have to get more guys to fill maybe the small forward spot and some serviceable defensive bangers down low.
 
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