Who would you build around?

who would you build around

  • martin

    Votes: 17 45.9%

  • west

    Votes: 5 13.5%

  • Neither

    Votes: 15 40.5%
  • Total voters
    37
tyrant

tyrant

Starter
#1
#1
or who would you build around first?
in the rebuilding thread an argument was sparked about west and martin. nothing big, just a disagreement between me and bmiller52.
bmiller52 made a statement that west will not be as good as chris webber. i kinda disagree because west has a great post up game, he can shoot the 17 foot jumpers and his passing and ball handling will get alot better playing with paul. also, bajaden said that kevin martin and david west belong in the same tier, but its like apples and oranges when comparing them. that may be true, but his opinon that they belong in the same tier is questionable. i disagree with that as well because martin is a one-dimensional player. and you cant go to him to stop the bleeding against a 10-0 run.

this is just for fun. who would you build around first. martin or west?
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
#2
They are in the same tier, with West having an edge for having shown he can be an impact guy at the highest levels. Neither guy is a "build around" player.

There is a huge gap between a David West and a Chris Webber though, and its that very gap that seems hardest to recognize for some people. Its the star/superstar divide. And at his age -- he is not as young as you might think -- he is not going to get much better. Neither will Keivn in all liklihood. Used to have this same discussion with Peja, but few players make dramatic strides after 25. Refinements and polish, but in the vast majority of cases you are what you are after your early 20's.
 
Warhawk

Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
Staff member
#3
#3
Bricklayer said:
They are in the same tier, with West having an edge for having shown he can be an impact guy at the highest levels. Neither guy is a "build around" player.
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Agreed. You should also have had a "neither/either/or" option to get the best range of responses.

West is probably a little better at this point, but what Martin does, he generally does well and both are still improving. Martin scores more (and much better from the 3-pt line) in slightly fewer minutes but rebounds and blocks less (often he's leaking out and they do play different positions). Most other stats are fairly similar.

You are asking 2 different questions - "better" vs. "build around". I'm not going to vote in this one - not clear exactly what you are asking.
 
coolhandluke

coolhandluke

Starter
#4
#4
Neither of them is a franchise player but if I had to pick one for a team I would pick David West. Talented big men are not easy to come by. I would rate West ahead of Martin as he is much better option in a "hey, get me a basket now" situation.

Btw, have you seen Webber in his prime? :confused:
 
SacKings7

SacKings7

Starter
#5
#5
Agreed. I won't answer this poll because I wouldn't build around either one of them. Though both are good pieces to build around a superstar
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#6
#6
Sorry, no vote from me either. I agree with Bricklayer, in that NEITHER player is a "build around" player and trying to figure out who's "better" is so subjective as to be meaningless.
 
tyrant

tyrant

Starter
#7
#7
mods, is there a way any of you could add a neither option? please.

and who's better/who would you build around is sort of in the same category. im just asking who would you make the centerpiece of the team between these 2 guys.
 
tyrant

tyrant

Starter
#12
#12
VF21 said:
You're so much kinder than I.

:p

NOTE: I did change the thread title to reflect the actual poll question.
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the best player is always the guy you want to build your team around. but thanks anyway:)

on the side. i cant believe most of the people that responded would build around kevin before david west.
 
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tyrant

tyrant

Starter
#16
#16
sigh, everything has to be sooooo technical. ok, moving forward without any more confusion. it wouldve been easier to just ask who would you rather build a team around. martin or west. the "neither" option doesnt exit. just 2 players, one answer. choose one.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#17
#17
Sorry, but that's not fair. Why? Because we're already pretty much in agreement that NEITHER OF THOSE TWO is a cornerstone player. It's like saying which would you rather have for your last meal - dog poop or chicken eyes.
 
uolj

uolj

Starter
#18
#18
If I had to start with someone, I'd probably pick West. But neither would be a player to build around. They'd just be players to keep around because they are good and move if a better solution came up.
 
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dmj

Bench
#19
#19
Right now neither Martin nor West is the type of player you would build around, though I still hold some optimism that Martin could reach that point.

If I had to pick between the two, I would choose West since it is much more difficult to fill the PF position than SG. I still think Martin is the better player though because of his offensive abilities.
 
bajaden

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#20
#20
This thread is ending up with pretty much the same results of the other thread. Tyrant beleives that West is a player that you can build a team around and that Martin isn't, and therefore doesn't like Martin, or if thats too strong, certainly isn't Tyrants favorite. I and others on that thread stated that we didn't believe either of them were playes to build around, but were players you would certainly want on your team, as part of a rebuild.
As to who is better. Thats a pure subjective opinion. They play different positions, so comparing stats is worthless. I mean is West a better rebounder? Duh. He's a PF. Thats what he does. Is Martin a better three pt shooter? He better be. Apples and Oranges..
 
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bigbadred00

Starter
#22
#22
I guess the question should be currently who are cornerstone guys in the NBA, and does every NBA team even have one?

Clear-Cut

LBJ
Kobe
CP3
Dirk
Nash
Duncan
KG
Dwight
Deron Williams
Yao

LEss than clear cut which I would consider next tier:

Bosh
Boozer
Tracy
Baron
Amare-Could really be at #1.
Melo
Wade
Billups

Young guys who could jump:

Brandon Roy
Kevin Martin
Iggy
Durant-Eventually?
Jefferson-20/10 but no D
Rudy Gay-Eh, still very young but high upside.

Guys right below 2nd level:

Manu
Parker
Pau
AI
Arenas
Butler
Allen
Hamilton
Pierce
Redd
 
kennadog

kennadog

Dog On It!
#23
#23
tyrant said:
the best player is always the guy you want to build your team around. but thanks anyway:)
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No, every team has a "best" player, no matter how bad they are. That doesn't mean they should be the player to build around.

On the other hand, I don't think you have to get rid of really good players, before you get the guy to "build around." Kevin Martin may be an excellent supporting star to a cornerstone guy we get in a year or two. If he's not, he's a really good trading piece to get the guy that will fit. He's a good asset to have either way.
 
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bigbadred00

Starter
#24
#24
kennadog said:
No, every team has a "best" player, no matter how bad they are. That doesn't mean they should be the player to build around.

On the other hand, I don't think you have to get rid of really good players, before you get the guy to "build around." Kevin Martin may be an excellent supporting star to a cornerstone guy we get in a year or two. If he's not, he's a really good trading piece to get the guy that will fit. He's a good asset to have either way.
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I think the problem with Kevin and David West is they play a position which the bulk of the good players in the NBA already come from and makes them slightly less valuable. The true scarcity in the NBA is at the 1 and the 5 positions especially if you consider KG/Duncan a 5. Personally I think building around a player that is dominant on both sides of the ball is the way to go. Problem is even in the NBA there are only a handful of guys that fit that moniker and most teams don't even have any. NBA is such a superstar driven league it's almost unfair. There are the have-nots and the haves and there are more have-nots than haves when it comes to superstars. Most teams draft them and they are most times not to the top pick in the draft but mostly come from the lottery.
 
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