Who would of won Rookie of the Year last year, Reke vs Griffin?

[ockingsfan]

if blake griffin would not had been injured last year and had put up the same numbers as he is this season, who would have won last seasons Rookie of the Year award?

Tyreke's rookie numbers: 20.1 pts, 5.3 rebs, 5.8 asst, 1.7 steals

Griffin's rookie numbers: 21.7 pts, 12.7 rebs, 3.3 asst, 0.7 blocks

Would Reke's 20-5-5 still had won the ROY or would griffins 21-12 gave him ROY last year?

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Griffin would have won because of the "awe factor" of his dunks.

 

[Spike]

No clue. The voting would have been pretty close, though. You also have to account for the splitting of votes from Curry as well, who probably would have taken some of Evans' votes instead of Griffin's.

I wouldn't have voted for Glake, though.

 

[ockingsfan]

i voted tyreke because of the historical rarity of his 20-5-5 for a rookie, only lebron the big o and micheal jordan did the same 20-5-5

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

i voted tyreke because of the historical rarity of his 20-5-5 for a rookie, only lebron the big o and micheal jordan did the same 20-5-5

Griffin is one of 8 rookies that have ever averaged 20 and 12, so he has the historical rarity thing, too.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Griffin has been incredibly good - far better than I expected. As long as he keeps this up for the rest of the season Griffin wins, and it's probably not terribly close.

 

[Prince_XY]

i voted tyreke because of the historical rarity of his 20-5-5 for a rookie, only lebron the big o and micheal jordan did the same 20-5-5

I agree.

IMO, it would be hard to beat the implication of a 20/5/5 average per game, especially that only 4 of them did it. Double-doubles does not seem to be that rare and had been actually done by players who did not go as far as the caliber of MJ, LBJ, and Big O.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

probably blake, his game is very flashy.

 

[Bricklayer]

if blake griffin would not had been injured last year and had put up the same numbers as he is this season, who would have won last seasons Rookie of the Year award?

Tyreke's rookie numbers: 20.1 pts, 5.3 rebs, 5.8 asst, 1.7 steals

Griffin's rookie numbers: 21.7 pts, 12.7 rebs, 3.3 asst, 0.7 blocks

Would Reke's 20-5-5 still had won the ROY or would griffins 21-12 gave him ROY last year?

There's no reason to restict this to Reke's year last year -- with the possible exception of LeBron, who put up slightly worse numbers than Reke but was super hyped, Blake Griffin likely wins the rookie of the year award in every single year in the past decade at least. You probably have to go back to the days of the 3-4 year college rookies to find one who would have beat him at his current production rate.

 

[theclash4u5]

There's no reason to restict this to Reke's year last year -- with the possible exception of LeBron, who put up slightly worse numbers than Reke but was super hyped, Blake Griffin likes wins the rookie of the year award in every single year in the past decade at least. You probably have to go back to the days of the 3-4 year college rookies to find one who would have beat him at his current production rate.

Bravo.

Blake Griffin isn't just about dunks (even though he always seems to have a highlight every time he plays). Some of you really need to watch him play in games that aren't directly against the Kings. He hasn't scored in single digits ALL SEASON, and has...how many straight double doubles now? 20/5/5 was very impressive, but if he finished with a 20/10, that would also be pretty amazing for a big man "rookie".

 

[rainmaker]

Griffin is an absolute beast. Tonight he just had his 29th dbl dbl in 36 games. He already has 12 games with 15+ rebs. Brick is right, Griffin would have won ROY lasy year, and any year in the last decade at least.

Duncan is the last rookie who was on par with Griffin when he also went for 20/10 as a rookie. But Tyreke and Curry wouldn't have stood a chance.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

Blake would&should have won it.

 

[kingsboi]

I'm gonna have to go with Griffin on this one and I don't think it would even be that close IMO.

 

[vikinginferno]

The one thing that annoys me is that now that Blake has had so many amazing dunks, the top plays people put any dunk that he has at the top of the top dunks of the day or whatever even if there are better dunks. Already gettingLebron treatment...

 

[Spok22]

based off of blakes play this year i would say griffin by far. But you do have to keep in mind that he did have a whole extra year than other rookies to study the nba game... Maybe last year he would not have come in and made an impact right away? who knows?

 

[LWP777]

Blake and it's not even close IMO.

 

[LWP777]

The one thing that annoys me is that now that Blake has had so many amazing dunks, the top plays people put any dunk that he has at the top of the top dunks of the day or whatever even if there are better dunks. Already gettingLebron treatment...

Have you seen some of his dunks? He's one of the best Dunkers I've seen in decades.

 

[Agent23]

Blake and it's not even close IMO.

This. I love Tyreke and he had a phenomenal rookie season, but Blake Griffin is having a position redefining, once in a lifetime, type rookie season. I see him being a 30/12 kind of player. It's not that big of a stretch to imagine that happening as soon as next year.

 

[Bricklayer]

This. I love Tyreke and he had a phenomenal rookie season, but Blake Griffin is having a position redefining, once in a lifetime, type rookie season. I see him being a 30/12 kind of player. It's not that big of a stretch to imagine that happening as soon as next year.

Heh, you must be young. I don't mean that in a perjorative sense, I just mean that only somebody who's NBA experience has mostly consisted of the undergraduate era would call Blake's rookie season once in a lifetime. Once upon a time when people stayed in college, this is the kind of season you just EXPECTED out your top pick -- guys came into the NBA fully prepared.

Just some rookie PFs with similar seasons just off the top of my head:
Larry Johnson 19.2pts 11.0rebs 3.6ast 0.6blk
Tim Duncan 21.1pts 11.9reb 2.7ast 2.5blk
Elton Brand 20.1pts 10.0reb 1.9ast 1.6blk

Blake's putting up bigtime numbers, but we havent's seen what they will look like if/after he hits the rookie wall, like the players of old he is older now than most rooks, and while the uinjury sucked, it did mean he could mature, watch NBA basketball, work with NBA trainers, hang around NBA players etc. for a full year before debuting -- in other words he has advantages over the vast majority of other rooks. Its a huge rookie season, but it is a lot more akin to the old school rookies than being a good comparison for the 19-20 year old rookie seasons that many/most of the top guys have anymore.

And once upon a time the #1 overalls would sometimes put up truly monster seasons: Shaq going 23.4pts 13.9rebs 3.3blks etc.

 

[vikinginferno]

Have you seen some of his dunks? He's one of the best Dunkers I've seen in decades.

No doubt, you misunderstood what I said though. He makes a ton of amazing dunks, but the top plays raters put his more mediocre (still very good) dunks above better dunks. His top dunks are just bat**** insane though.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Both players put up great numbers with incredible consistency but Griffins flashiness would have made him ROY...and I think deservedly. However, I think in the long run Evans will have the better career, especially if Blake stays on the Clipps. It's nothing against them but they are truly cursed, not that we aren't, but at least we got a taste of what its like to be good.

 

[Agent23]

Heh, you must be young. I don't mean that in a perjorative sense, I just mean that only somebody who's NBA experience has mostly consisted of the undergraduate era would call Blake's rookie season once in a lifetime. Once upon a time when people stayed in college, this is the kind of season you just EXPECTED out your top pick -- guys came into the NBA fully prepared.

Just some rookie PFs with similar seasons just off the top of my head:
Larry Johnson 19.2pts 11.0rebs 3.6ast 0.6blk
Tim Duncan 21.1pts 11.9reb 2.7ast 2.5blk
Elton Brand 20.1pts 10.0reb 1.9ast 1.6blk

Blake's putting up bigtime numbers, but we havent's seen what they will look like if/after he hits the rookie wall, like the players of old he is older now than most rooks, and while the uinjury sucked, it did mean he could mature, watch NBA basketball, work with NBA trainers, hang around NBA players etc. for a full year before debuting -- in other words he has advantages over the vast majority of other rooks. Its a huge rookie season, but it is a lot more akin to the old school rookies than being a good comparison for the 19-20 year old rookie seasons that many/most of the top guys have anymore.

And once upon a time the #1 overalls would sometimes put up truly monster seasons: Shaq going 23.4pts 13.9rebs 3.3blks etc.

I'm not terribly young (28) but i completely forgot about those 3-4 year college kids who would come out of college NBA ready. Elton Brand was the last rookie big man to put up these kinds of numbers, right? I guess if you are 10 years old, Griffin's production could technically be once in lifetime, right?

 

[Ed2009]

Clearly Blake..
He is playing on a very high level and improves his teammates with his game.
Great eye for the open man.

 

[mac]

Even if he were putting up slightly lower stats, say 18 and 10, I think he'd still get the nod over Evans due to the media bias. "Everyone" thinks that Evans is a talented guard who ball hogs, isn't a true point guard, is strong, and can't shoot. Blake Griffin on the other hand, is freak athlete, all star rookie, has spectacular dunks and finishes, has guard skills, is improving day by day with new moves!

 

[pshn80]

It's not unreasonable that if Griffin, Evans and Curry all played last year that Curry may have won.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I voted for Glake.

 

[bajaden]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. I usually don't get involved in these kind of discussions, because, well there is no point. Whats done is done, and there's no way to know how anyone is going to vote. There are so many variables. West coast against the East coast. Big man against the little man, or men. Which player, all things being equal, has the most chrismatic personality. So who really knows?

So lets just go with what history tells us. Its easier for a very talented little man to make a big splash than it is for a very talented big man. Reason being, is that they have the ball in their hands more often. Whereas the big man needs the little man to get him the ball. So with that in mind, the advantage goes to the little man. So if the big man still puts up great numbers. Number just as good, if not better than the little man, history tells us he wins the ROY award. So in this particular poll, at least at the moment, Blake wins. I do however agree with Bricky that he had the advantage of sitting for a year. He was able to practice with NBA players once healthy. He was able to learn the plays both defensively and offensively. It made it an easier fit for him. But I'm sure he would like to have the year back as well.

 

[sc3252]

Griffin would have won because of the "awe factor" of his dunks.

Not only that, he is from LA...

 

[Spike]

Not only that, he is from LA...

but...it's the Clippers.

 

[rhythmless]

Heh, you must be young. I don't mean that in a perjorative sense, I just mean that only somebody who's NBA experience has mostly consisted of the undergraduate era would call Blake's rookie season once in a lifetime. Once upon a time when people stayed in college, this is the kind of season you just EXPECTED out your top pick -- guys came into the NBA fully prepared.

Just some rookie PFs with similar seasons just off the top of my head:
Larry Johnson 19.2pts 11.0rebs 3.6ast 0.6blk
Tim Duncan 21.1pts 11.9reb 2.7ast 2.5blk
Elton Brand 20.1pts 10.0reb 1.9ast 1.6blk

And once upon a time the #1 overalls would sometimes put up truly monster seasons: Shaq going 23.4pts 13.9rebs 3.3blks etc.

Uh... no.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-110118

"As it turns out, Griffin's rookie year (so far) isn't the best in history … I'd say Wilt Chamberlain has that pretty safely salted away by jumping out of the gate with a 37.6-27.0 campaign in 1959-60."

"Everybody else takes a back seat to Griffin. EVERYBODY. Shaq, Duncan, Magic, Bird -- no dice, fellas. The comparison of Griffin to other dominant big men of recent vintage is particularly noteworthy. Once we adjust for pace and minutes, as I've done in the chart, his rookie season seems completely in place next to those of Robinson, Duncan, Shaq, and Olajuwon. And in one respect (his passing ability) he's already far beyond them and nearly into Larry Bird/Chris Webber territory."

So, to sum up, this is once in a lifetime. Only on this board would you see 13% voting for Tyreke. SMH