Whiteside impressed me more than Cousins

The Kings were very pointed in their approach with Cousins, overwhelming him with playing time and focus. No other top player in either SL played his schedule with significant minutes, let alone while being constantly doubled and tripled, and banged on by every guy with something to prove. They kept him out there and gave him touches even when he was way past the point of gassed. He showed frustration, but no other player went through this kind of wringer, and it was in some ways worse than what he could even face in the regular season.

On the third night of three, playing major minutes and role, he played like a star even down the stretch. In the fourth game, he was on dead legs, but still found a way to be productive and was just that little bit of push upon finishing away from another monster game. After that, he hit the wall behind the first wall and was no longer able to play anything resembling his game.

The team is pushing him and illustrating something for him, and I think they're getting the result they expected:

http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2010/07/cousins-shootin.html

Cousins shooting woes no concern for Elie

LAS VEGAS - In his last two games, DeMarcus Cousins is 8 for 33.

That's not a huge concern for Kings summer league coach Mario Elie.

"They're loading the paint on him," Elie said. "I want to get him touches down there and I don't look at his shooting percentage because he's playing in a lot of traffic."
 
I was impressed by Cousins' play. He displayed the great footwork that everyone seemed to be talking about. His passing in the post was impressive (especially, the no-look passes). He showed an array of offensive moves that I think can be honed with the help of our coaching staff. He got a little tired and frustrated in the last games of SL, but I think the coaches were sending him a message and making sure that he knows the importance of getting his body in NBA-shape.

He has the big body and massive wingspan (you just can't teach size). And one of the most impressive things to me? The game winner! The kid's got ice in his veins.:cool:
 
IMO, some of you are over-analyzing summer league too much. This is the first time these guys have played together, and many will never play together again. There is no familiarity between the guys. There is no familiarity with the system the Kings run, Donte and Omri excluded. Off season training doesn't prepare you for 6 games in 7 days. I expected these guys to be dead tired after the 4th game. On top of all that, our 4 main guys on the summer league team, Omri, Donte, Cousins, and Whiteside, didn't have a pg that could complete a pass, or could really even run a play.

Does Cousins have things to work on? Of course. Starting with conditioning. Everyone who is knocking him for shooting too many jumpers, I don't think realize thats what happens when your legs are dead. Every aspect of Cousins game fell off after the 3rd game. That is exhaustion. I have no doubt Cousins will be in better shape when training camp roles around.

Does everyone remember how poorly Tyreke played in summer league, preseason, and the first 5 games of the reg season? Tyreke didn't pick up his play, or become more comfortable, until the 2nd week in november. Why hold Cousins to a different level of expectation? He did just win ROM, eventhough that seems to be a brand new award for the month of July. But seriously, give Cousins a chanceto adapt to the speed of the nba, the size and physicality, as well as the conditioning aspect. We saw all his talent on display the first few games, then it went downhill from there. I tend to believe it was due to conditioning, not that his game all the sudden changed. He didn't all the sudden get to scared to post up, and run out to the wing to shoot jumpers. He was tired. Anyone who has ever played the game would understand.
 
I didn't expect either one to start right off, so I guess I'm not so disappointed.

In a way, I think that was perfect handling by Elie, too. By all accounts, Dalembert wants to start and play big minutes. Cousins has never (as far as I know) had a chance to see his own limits that clearly. Now, as he wears his Hello Kitty backpack, he can be thinking about how he doesn't already know everything about playing in the NBA. He also seemed to have had a chance at trying to ad lib his way through a game or two, which didn't work out so well -- maybe this will be good for getting him to accept the leadership of the coaching staff.

My expectations were lower than yours, but I'm content with how SL played out. I hope that the players learned as much from it as I did.

I wasn't aware that Cousins hadn't accepted the leadership of the coaching staff. Is that an issue? Hopefully not.
 
Basically, Cousins had a few REALLY good games and a few REALLY bad games. Those who were negative about Cousins before summer league are going to only focus on the negative to try to drive their point across. Its truely childish behavior. Lets totally disregard Cousins super dominant performance for the first half of summer league and only focus on the second half when he couldnt make a shot to save his life. Right.
 
It's not like the good and bad games came at random either. They got progressively worse as he became more and more exhausted.
 
Gee, a 19-year-old acts a little immature at times? There's a real shocker! Next time I run into a mature 19-year-old guy, I'll let you know. (A word to the wise, don't hold your breathe.) Evans, on the other hand, is unnaturally mature for his age. (Except when he's driving a car. ;))

Yes Cousins was frustrated and needs to learn not to show it and have much better body language out there. As Westphal said, he's trying to find his way offensively and Elie said both Whiteside and Cousins were getting lost on defense, because the defensive schemes are very hard to learn. As far as I was concerned, poor guard play didn't help the situation for our bigs.

In today's NBA, there are a lot of 19 and 20 years olds coming into the NBA, and I do not see many players act like that. Hell, Lance Stephenson carried a better demeanor than him, and he was supposed to be the worst of the worst. I'm not trying to lay into Cousins here like some think, but someone has to point it out because it's something he has to get over because it won't get easier in the NBA. I'm sure it will just take time, but it's not something the Kings can give him slack on from here on out. It doesn't matter how old you are, when you're a professional, you have to live up to the standards of a professional.
 
So you no longer think Whiteside should start out the season in the D-League?


:D

I was impressed with his demeanor. There was a lot of talk before the draft that he was immature and he showed to be a good worker on the court. So, it would actually make more sense to think he's more ready to handle the d-league now, but I don't think that. I think he should be with the team and maybe sometime during the season he should play in the d-league once he understands what he needs to work on.
 
I can't imagine by what objective standard Whiteside was more impressive than Cousins, unless its purely compared to expectation. About 90 percent of Cousins's issues can be addressed by a pro strength and conditioning program.

That's very often how it works.
 
IMO, some of you are over-analyzing summer league too much. This is the first time these guys have played together, and many will never play together again. There is no familiarity between the guys. There is no familiarity with the system the Kings run, Donte and Omri excluded. Off season training doesn't prepare you for 6 games in 7 days. I expected these guys to be dead tired after the 4th game. On top of all that, our 4 main guys on the summer league team, Omri, Donte, Cousins, and Whiteside, didn't have a pg that could complete a pass, or could really even run a play.

Does Cousins have things to work on? Of course. Starting with conditioning. Everyone who is knocking him for shooting too many jumpers, I don't think realize thats what happens when your legs are dead. Every aspect of Cousins game fell off after the 3rd game. That is exhaustion. I have no doubt Cousins will be in better shape when training camp roles around.

Does everyone remember how poorly Tyreke played in summer league, preseason, and the first 5 games of the reg season? Tyreke didn't pick up his play, or become more comfortable, until the 2nd week in november. Why hold Cousins to a different level of expectation? He did just win ROM, eventhough that seems to be a brand new award for the month of July. But seriously, give Cousins a chanceto adapt to the speed of the nba, the size and physicality, as well as the conditioning aspect. We saw all his talent on display the first few games, then it went downhill from there. I tend to believe it was due to conditioning, not that his game all the sudden changed. He didn't all the sudden get to scared to post up, and run out to the wing to shoot jumpers. He was tired. Anyone who has ever played the game would understand.

Who is not giving him a chance? Are we not allowed to criticize or point out any faults in his game?

Cousins was shooting too many jumpers in every game, even when he was making them he was shooting too many. He was facing up too much and getting the ball out too far. I understand the being tired aspect, but the body language was not good, he was constantly frustrated and you can see him slowing down when something didn't go his way. I'm not assuming just because he was sluggish that he was frustrated, I'm seeing him go at one speed, then something doesn't go his way, and then he slows down considerably.

Personally, awards mean absolutely zilch to me, and I think that award is stupid.
 
Basically, Cousins had a few REALLY good games and a few REALLY bad games. Those who were negative about Cousins before summer league are going to only focus on the negative to try to drive their point across. Its truely childish behavior. Lets totally disregard Cousins super dominant performance for the first half of summer league and only focus on the second half when he couldnt make a shot to save his life. Right.

Okay, I'm getting a little sick of the ad hominems. I didn't know saying anything remotely negative was against the rules here.

And how was I negative about Cousins before summer league? I called him the second best big man prospect in the draft and a top tier player in the draft ever since the lottery, and I've done nothing but celebrate the fact that we got him and how lucky we were to do so. I was even calling for him to be the starting center before summer league. Get your facts straight before you throw accusations at people.

I'm not disregarding anything about Cousins' first 3 games, in fact I had many of the same concerns after those games that I did after the last 3.
 
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I liked what I saw from Whiteside. He's definitely ahead of where I thought his game was. Unfortunately, the biggest question mark I have about him is his basketball IQ and the glorified pickup games of the summer league are not the place to answer those questions. That said, his play made me think that he is NOT a candidate for the D-League, but it didn't change my opinion that he's a project and any dividends he pays this year are just gravy.

As for Cousins, he showed me a skill level and basketball sense that was even better than I thought and his conditioning was worse than I thought.

I am slightly concerned with Cousin's frustration, but then again he played some absolutely awful games. If he wasn't frustrated I think I'd be MORE concerned. He needs to tone down his body language a bit, but the reality is that as others have pointed out, he just looked gassed.

It isn't as if he lost his competitive fire or gave up - he was tired. Yes, the Summer League is a step down in talent from the NBA. And while the games lack the structure and execution of the college games, it is still a step up in talent from what Cousins has experienced. And generally at a faster pace than he's used to. Six games in seven nights exposed that he doesn't have the stamina for the NBA just yet.

EVERYTHING that went wrong for him in those last 2 games can be attributed to having a lack of energy. Settling for jumpers instead of fighting for post position, lack of shooting touch caused by dead legs, inability to move his feet on defense. Cousins is a huge (and hugely talented) kid who needs to make adjustments in order to succeed at this level. If anything I hope he comes away from the experience a bit humbled and more determined to put in the work to be great.

Because I saw enough from the summer league to really believe that with if he gets himself in shape and dedicates the time in the weight room Cousins can be a truly dominant player and mentioned as one of the best 2 or 3 centers in the NBA in short order.

I saw a kid that can attract a double team in the blocks every time he touches the ball. And one who has enough skill and court awareness to either score anyway or make the correct pass to an open teammate. I saw a kid who should make his living in the post but can step out and hit a jumper consistently if need be. Who can face up and put the ball on the floor and score that way. Who passes better and understands the game better than you can reasonably expect a kid one year removed from high school to do.

Whiteside looked better than I thought he would. But Cousins looked like a guy who could potentially be a perennial all-star if he dedicates himself to improving.
 
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I wasn't able to catch the last 3 summer league games, but in the ones before that Cousins did NOTHING that would make you think he is immature/childish. The commentators mentioned numerous times about how good he was. Unless he acted drastically different the last 3 games, I see Cousins' actions differently than the OP.
 
Sitting directly behind the Kings bench for two of 3 games attended at Summer League, I wonder what some of you were watching based on your comments about DMC. By game 4, played over a 5-day period, DMC was tired, really tired. He was not in summer league game shape by any stretch and Coach Ellie proved his point big time to him, get in shape. A center has to bang 90% of the time on offense with the opposing center doing everything to keep him from the post or his desired position. All the guards and forwards have only a fraction of the constant banging to do each time on offense and for the most part they stay away from their opposite number as much as they can. Running, they do 3x what a center will do but the physical pounding every center must do and endure at both ends of the court take a big time amount of energy.

Anyway, I failed to see first hand all the things many of you throw at DMC. He is one year removed from High School, he is only 19. He is a guy so of course he will show immaturity at times. That's what summer league and training camp are all about. Getting your game together and having a mentor help you thru the tough spots. But the 6 games in 7 days is the most physical tiring thing a BB player can do or try to do and they played him 30 min a game or more. To prove a point in my opinion. And Coach Elie made the point to DMC, how critical it is to get in shape.
 
Okay, I'm getting a little sick of the ad hominems. I didn't know saying anything remotely negative was against the rules here.

You seem to not know the difference between an ad hominem fallacy and a personal attack. For the record, though, this:


Basically, Cousins had a few REALLY good games and a few REALLY bad games. Those who were negative about Cousins before summer league are going to only focus on the negative to try to drive their point across. Its truely childish behavior. Lets totally disregard Cousins super dominant performance for the first half of summer league and only focus on the second half when he couldnt make a shot to save his life. Right.

Isn't either: saying that a certain type of behavior is childish isn't a personal attack when used in generalization like that, even if the shoe fits, so to speak. And it isn't an ad hominem; if anything, it's an association fallacy, but even that's a stretch.

Making personal attacks against other posters is bad. Falsely accusing another poster of making personal attacks against you is equally bad.
 
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so last year Tyreke was the TDOS villain, now this year it is Demarcus Cousins. Good times...

Haha you beat me to it.

Let's be honest... Teams are going to be able to load the paint while they think they can to stop Tyreke and Cousins there. Leaves 3 other guys in the mid and long range to step up and be lightly defended. I suspect as Evans (hopefully), Casspi, Garcia, Greene, Beno start to destroy teams in the mid-long range game and stretch the court they'll have to be honest and Cousins will be there to capitalize.
 
OK, I'll add my two cents. I haven't read all the posts, so if I'm redundit, I apologize. Cousins, who is far from being in NBA shape, just played 6 games in 7 days. Two, 3 game back to backs. I'm going to put this bluntly. Anyone that doesn't think he was totally exhausted and out of gas is an idiot. I was behind the Kings bench. I saw him begging to come off the floor. And I saw Ellie making him gut it up and stay out there.

This is a 19 year old kid thats still about 15 pounds overweight and not nearly in NBA condition, playing more games in 7 days than he ever will in the NBA. He averaged 23 minutes a game in college, and Ellie had him up to around 30 minutes a game for the last few games.

Cousins was angry and frustrated. But with himself. He's going through a learning experience, and to be honest, I wasn't surprised by his diminished performance. How many times have you seen the Kings or any team flat on the second half of a back to back, much less three games in a row twice. Once again, if you don't understand that, then your an idiot.

Now for the details. Ellie constantly emplored the the guards and whomever was at SF to spread the floor. It seldom happened. They were trying to post up Cousins on a regular basis, but the spacing was absolutely terrible. As a result it wasn't that hard for the opposition to double and many times triple team Cousins. Yes, he could have made better decisions. He probably should have passed the ball out of the double. His problem is that he wanted to score. He wanted to dominate. It just wasn't there to be had a lot of the times. Also after the first three games, Cousins was the talk of Las Vegas. He and Wall were the two main attractions. Make no mistake, the opposing team knew who he was now and they planned their defense accordingly. To stop Cousins.

With only a couple of players on the Kings that were able to hit shots from the outside, (Greene and Casspi) and the poor spacing, the opposing team was able to sag down on Cousins and make his life miserable. Did he react as well as we would have liked? No! But he is only 19 years old, and he was out of gas. To say he wasn't able to back down anyone is ridiculous. Most of the time he was trying to back down two players, if not three. You have to pay attention to the details folks.

I was sitting talking to a friend about how gassed Cousins looked. JT's father, who was sitting directly in front of us with JT's mom turned and said, do you know how hard centers and PF's have to work out there while the guard are just running around and patting each other on the butt. He said it doesn't matter which end of the floor your on, its like two 290 pound sumo wrestlers constantly battling with each other, fighting for position. It wears you out.

Now some will say I'm just making excuses. Nope, I'm just giving you the facts. Cousins will be fine. He has a lot of work to do. He's a very talented guy, and far from being a project. Whiteside on the other hand, despite the wishful thinking of some, is still a long way from being ready to be a full time contributer. But I'm very high on him. He really worked on getting position for rebounding, and realized that he can't block every shot. He has a nice 15 foot jumper, and a decent, but still unrealible hook shot. He just needs to learn the game. Ellie was constantly yelling instructions on where to be on the floor. Greene also had to help him with positioning. At times he got lost in help defense. And lastly he needs to get stronger. He has a very difficult time with the physicality of the game. Especially in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th games. He was simply being pushed around, and many times Ellie took him out of the game, because he looked like a beaten pup.

He came back nicely in the 5th and 6th games, and played much smarter. At the small forward position I give the edge, just slightly to Casspi, who I thought played with a little more aggression and control. But in truth its still too close to call overall. The only guard to impress me, and I'm using that word loosely, was Christmas. I thought he busted his butt every minute he was out there and without a doubt was the best defensive guard of the group. Sloan showed me nothing, as did Downy and Rice. I like some of what I saw from both Landesberg and Thompson. I'd give a slight edge to Landesberg. But both were inconsistant and I don't see either of them being what the Kings are looking for.

All in all it was a fun, but very hot time. I recommend it for the the basketball junkie. If you love basketball and being around the who's, who of basketball you can't beat it. You never know who you'll be sitting next to, or who you'll run into out at the beer stand. More later...
 
Sitting directly behind the Kings bench for two of 3 games attended at Summer League, I wonder what some of you were watching based on your comments about DMC. By game 4, played over a 5-day period, DMC was tired, really tired. He was not in summer league game shape by any stretch and Coach Ellie proved his point big time to him, get in shape. A center has to bang 90% of the time on offense with the opposing center doing everything to keep him from the post or his desired position. All the guards and forwards have only a fraction of the constant banging to do each time on offense and for the most part they stay away from their opposite number as much as they can. Running, they do 3x what a center will do but the physical pounding every center must do and endure at both ends of the court take a big time amount of energy.

Anyway, I failed to see first hand all the things many of you throw at DMC. He is one year removed from High School, he is only 19. He is a guy so of course he will show immaturity at times. That's what summer league and training camp are all about. Getting your game together and having a mentor help you thru the tough spots. But the 6 games in 7 days is the most physical tiring thing a BB player can do or try to do and they played him 30 min a game or more. To prove a point in my opinion. And Coach Elie made the point to DMC, how critical it is to get in shape.


Amen to that.. Saw it in game 3 Cousins getting REALLY tired at times... From game 4 on it was obvious that he was spent. Most of his rebounds were below the rim.. Night and day.. Hope the coaching staff works on his conditioning with him.

Oh also... 6 games in 7 days... Who wouldn't be tired playing in 110 degree heat 6 games in 7 days? OP, take it for what it's worth. It's like me saying your bash posts have become redundant because you have posted so many in the last 7 days. You have lost a lot of your zing because of how many you have made over the last 7 days =/
 
It's not like the good and bad games came at random either. They got progressively worse as he became more and more exhausted.

It's called adversity. And like some have alluded to on this board, I think it's great that the Kings did heap a lot of minutes on Cousins to get him in shape and let him experience some adversity. Cousins is going to have more adversity in the NBA than in summer league. Sure, he (hopefully) will be in a lot better shape. That will be extremely important. But even assuming Cousins is going to be in great, great shape, he's going to be facing competition much, much better than summer league. And he's going to be facing back to backs and an 82 game season. In summer league Cousins reacted to adversity by selling out with fade-away jump shots. I sure hope we don't see Cousins taking fade-aways and outside jump shots in the second half of the regular season because he is tired. That fatigue is something that he's got to push through without selling out. It's all part of developing the toughness that will make him good.
 
Expecting him to just shrug off that extreme fatigue with where he is physically right now is wildly unrealistic, to put it mildly.
 
OK, I'll add my two cents. I haven't read all the posts, so if I'm redundit, I apologize. Cousins, who is far from being in NBA shape, just played 6 games in 7 days. Two, 3 game back to backs. I'm going to put this bluntly. Anyone that doesn't think he was totally exhausted and out of gas is an idiot. I was behind the Kings bench. I saw him begging to come off the floor. And I saw Ellie making him gut it up and stay out there.

This is a 19 year old kid thats still about 15 pounds overweight and not nearly in NBA condition, playing more games in 7 days than he ever will in the NBA. He averaged 23 minutes a game in college, and Ellie had him up to around 30 minutes a game for the last few games.

Cousins was angry and frustrated. But with himself. He's going through a learning experience, and to be honest, I wasn't surprised by his diminished performance. How many times have you seen the Kings or any team flat on the second half of a back to back, much less three games in a row twice. Once again, if you don't understand that, then your an idiot.

Now for the details. Ellie constantly emplored the the guards and whomever was at SF to spread the floor. It seldom happened. They were trying to post up Cousins on a regular basis, but the spacing was absolutely terrible. As a result it wasn't that hard for the opposition to double and many times triple team Cousins. Yes, he could have made better decisions. He probably should have passed the ball out of the double. His problem is that he wanted to score. He wanted to dominate. It just wasn't there to be had a lot of the times. Also after the first three games, Cousins was the talk of Las Vegas. He and Wall were the two main attractions. Make no mistake, the opposing team knew who he was now and they planned their defense accordingly. To stop Cousins.

With only a couple of players on the Kings that were able to hit shots from the outside, (Greene and Casspi) and the poor spacing, the opposing team was able to sag down on Cousins and make his life miserable. Did he react as well as we would have liked? No! But he is only 19 years old, and he was out of gas. To say he wasn't able to back down anyone is ridiculous. Most of the time he was trying to back down two players, if not three. You have to pay attention to the details folks.

I was sitting talking to a friend about how gassed Cousins looked. JT's father, who was sitting directly in front of us with JT's mom turned and said, do you know how hard centers and PF's have to work out there while the guard are just running around and patting each other on the butt. He said it doesn't matter which end of the floor your on, its like two 290 pound sumo wrestlers constantly battling with each other, fighting for position. It wears you out.

Now some will say I'm just making excuses. Nope, I'm just giving you the facts. Cousins will be fine. He has a lot of work to do. He's a very talented guy, and far from being a project. Whiteside on the other hand, despite the wishful thinking of some, is still a long way from being ready to be a full time contributer. But I'm very high on him. He really worked on getting position for rebounding, and realized that he can't block every shot. He has a nice 15 foot jumper, and a decent, but still unrealible hook shot. He just needs to learn the game. Ellie was constantly yelling instructions on where to be on the floor. Greene also had to help him with positioning. At times he got lost in help defense. And lastly he needs to get stronger. He has a very difficult time with the physicality of the game. Especially in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th games. He was simply being pushed around, and many times Ellie took him out of the game, because he looked like a beaten pup.

He came back nicely in the 5th and 6th games, and played much smarter. At the small forward position I give the edge, just slightly to Casspi, who I thought played with a little more aggression and control. But in truth its still too close to call overall. The only guard to impress me, and I'm using that word loosely, was Christmas. I thought he busted his butt every minute he was out there and without a doubt was the best defensive guard of the group. Sloan showed me nothing, as did Downy and Rice. I like some of what I saw from both Landesberg and Thompson. I'd give a slight edge to Landesberg. But both were inconsistant and I don't see either of them being what the Kings are looking for.

All in all it was a fun, but very hot time. I recommend it for the the basketball junkie. If you love basketball and being around the who's, who of basketball you can't beat it. You never know who you'll be sitting next to, or who you'll run into out at the beer stand. More later...


Much appreciated Baja.
 
Thank you Bajaden and Cruzdude for sharing with us your perspective that IMHO nobody can match when it comes to what happened during this Summer League. It was obvious that Cousins was exhausted, and I know that come this fall, we are going to see a very different guy. I'm sure this experience was truly a good one for him even though I know that it must have been a little painful. I truly believe that he is going to be NBA ready come the first game of the season. Our Boogie is going to be just fine! We're rooting for you BOOGIE!!! GO KINGS!!!
 
Change this title to Whiteside's demeanor impressed you more than Cousin's and we have a reasonable thread. We got a first hand look at the "immaturity" red flags in those last three games, and in that last one it looked suspiciously like he just quit. Not amusing, and I am ramping back early expectations again. In fact I think it might again be perfectly reaosnable to start Daly out there and limit Cousins in the early going to maybe 20-24 min where he can stay fresh and keep his focus. Meanwhile we need to hire some really (and I do mean REALLY) big guy to slap the crap out of him everytime he starts doing his bitter beer face Brad imitation. Konishiki might be a good candidate.

The good news is he's still only 19. That means he can still grow up (although the petulance looks younger than 19). The bad news is that growing up takes time and its not really something you can force by taking 1000 jumpers a day all summer or something. Somebody badly needs to take him in to watch film of those last 3 games and all the pouty poo stuff. Its hard to imagine any self-respecting young man watching himself act like that without some sense of shame.
 
It's called adversity. And like some have alluded to on this board, I think it's great that the Kings did heap a lot of minutes on Cousins to get him in shape and let him experience some adversity. Cousins is going to have more adversity in the NBA than in summer league. Sure, he (hopefully) will be in a lot better shape. That will be extremely important. But even assuming Cousins is going to be in great, great shape, he's going to be facing competition much, much better than summer league. And he's going to be facing back to backs and an 82 game season. In summer league Cousins reacted to adversity by selling out with fade-away jump shots. I sure hope we don't see Cousins taking fade-aways and outside jump shots in the second half of the regular season because he is tired. That fatigue is something that he's got to push through without selling out. It's all part of developing the toughness that will make him good.

I agree completely -- his conditioning was put to an extreme test and it didn't hold up. I really appreciated what Elie was doing here by throwing him out there in spite of his fatigue. It was clear to everyone that he was gassed, but the good thing is that it seemed that Cousins was seemingly more frustrated with himself and his own inability to keep up. We're gonna see this version of him again at some point this season because I don't think it will be possible for him to up his conditioning to acceptable levels in his first offseason, but at least the issue is on the table for all parties (including Cousins) now. Look at Reke and Casspi last season -- better athletes carrying less weight and doing much less banging in the low post (a little arguable for Tyreke, considering how much time he spent down there, but still less), but they both started to slow down in the second half. Tyreke held up far better than Casspi did, but he definitely still had some off-games out of sheer fatigue last season.
 
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OK, I'll add my two cents. I haven't read all the posts, so if I'm redundit, I apologize. Cousins, who is far from being in NBA shape, just played 6 games in 7 days. Two, 3 game back to backs. I'm going to put this bluntly. Anyone that doesn't think he was totally exhausted and out of gas is an idiot. I was behind the Kings bench. I saw him begging to come off the floor. And I saw Ellie making him gut it up and stay out there.

This is a 19 year old kid thats still about 15 pounds overweight and not nearly in NBA condition, playing more games in 7 days than he ever will in the NBA. He averaged 23 minutes a game in college, and Ellie had him up to around 30 minutes a game for the last few games.

Cousins was angry and frustrated. But with himself. He's going through a learning experience, and to be honest, I wasn't surprised by his diminished performance. How many times have you seen the Kings or any team flat on the second half of a back to back, much less three games in a row twice. Once again, if you don't understand that, then your an idiot.

Now for the details. Ellie constantly emplored the the guards and whomever was at SF to spread the floor. It seldom happened. They were trying to post up Cousins on a regular basis, but the spacing was absolutely terrible. As a result it wasn't that hard for the opposition to double and many times triple team Cousins. Yes, he could have made better decisions. He probably should have passed the ball out of the double. His problem is that he wanted to score. He wanted to dominate. It just wasn't there to be had a lot of the times. Also after the first three games, Cousins was the talk of Las Vegas. He and Wall were the two main attractions. Make no mistake, the opposing team knew who he was now and they planned their defense accordingly. To stop Cousins.

With only a couple of players on the Kings that were able to hit shots from the outside, (Greene and Casspi) and the poor spacing, the opposing team was able to sag down on Cousins and make his life miserable. Did he react as well as we would have liked? No! But he is only 19 years old, and he was out of gas. To say he wasn't able to back down anyone is ridiculous. Most of the time he was trying to back down two players, if not three. You have to pay attention to the details folks.

I was sitting talking to a friend about how gassed Cousins looked. JT's father, who was sitting directly in front of us with JT's mom turned and said, do you know how hard centers and PF's have to work out there while the guard are just running around and patting each other on the butt. He said it doesn't matter which end of the floor your on, its like two 290 pound sumo wrestlers constantly battling with each other, fighting for position. It wears you out.

Now some will say I'm just making excuses. Nope, I'm just giving you the facts. Cousins will be fine. He has a lot of work to do. He's a very talented guy, and far from being a project. Whiteside on the other hand, despite the wishful thinking of some, is still a long way from being ready to be a full time contributer. But I'm very high on him. He really worked on getting position for rebounding, and realized that he can't block every shot. He has a nice 15 foot jumper, and a decent, but still unrealible hook shot. He just needs to learn the game. Ellie was constantly yelling instructions on where to be on the floor. Greene also had to help him with positioning. At times he got lost in help defense. And lastly he needs to get stronger. He has a very difficult time with the physicality of the game. Especially in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th games. He was simply being pushed around, and many times Ellie took him out of the game, because he looked like a beaten pup.

He came back nicely in the 5th and 6th games, and played much smarter. At the small forward position I give the edge, just slightly to Casspi, who I thought played with a little more aggression and control. But in truth its still too close to call overall. The only guard to impress me, and I'm using that word loosely, was Christmas. I thought he busted his butt every minute he was out there and without a doubt was the best defensive guard of the group. Sloan showed me nothing, as did Downy and Rice. I like some of what I saw from both Landesberg and Thompson. I'd give a slight edge to Landesberg. But both were inconsistant and I don't see either of them being what the Kings are looking for.

All in all it was a fun, but very hot time. I recommend it for the the basketball junkie. If you love basketball and being around the who's, who of basketball you can't beat it. You never know who you'll be sitting next to, or who you'll run into out at the beer stand. More later...

thanks for saving this idiotic thread with some actual sense.
 
Who is not giving him a chance? Are we not allowed to criticize or point out any faults in his game?

Cousins was shooting too many jumpers in every game, even when he was making them he was shooting too many. He was facing up too much and getting the ball out too far. I understand the being tired aspect, but the body language was not good, he was constantly frustrated and you can see him slowing down when something didn't go his way. I'm not assuming just because he was sluggish that he was frustrated, I'm seeing him go at one speed, then something doesn't go his way, and then he slows down considerably.

Personally, awards mean absolutely zilch to me, and I think that award is stupid.
I will agree with you on the body language. All though I tend to think too much attention is paid to his body language, he does need to contol it better. It might take a little while, but he's only 19, i can wait. I do think he's emtional due to his passion, and desire to be the best. He seems to be an unselfish player by nature, and wants to make the correct play. He's an emotional guy, but it seems to be mostly for the right reasons. He should tone it down once he's around the coaching staff on a daily basis.

Now his jumpers, and reasons for taking them, I disagree with you on. I think he drifted away from this basket due to being tired. Plain and simple. He shot jumpers in the first 3 games when he wasn't tired, and he should have, as thats clearly part of his game. He did a good job of mixing his inside and outside skills. He also a very good passer from the high post. If the summer league guards new how to move without the ball, it might have looked better. I would have no problem with Cousins shooting 3-5 jumpers every game. He's too talented not to.

But I don't believe he started shooting more jumpers because he was afraid of the contact, or that there was something about his game he we should be worried about. He was clearly exhausted. He played away from the paint more often because he didn't have the energy to fight and bang for rebounds and positioning. I saw a stat, I forgot where, that Cousins played more minutes than any other player in summer league.

I don't see why you think because of one week of summer league he's developing these bad habbits that have to be corrected asap. He didn't take 10 jumpers all last season. There's no history of him shying away from contact. He had no legs. He's not in nba shape. Ellie sent him a message and I think intentionally ran him into the ground so Cousins realizes right now, that nba conditioning isn't a joke.
 
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