Where does Peja rank amongst fellow foreign NBA players?

Nikos

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Out of curiosity I was wondering how Peja would rank with other foreign NBA talents in the NBA today? (Not including Nash).

Dirk, Ming, Gasol, Kirlenko, Ginobili, Parker, Illgauskas, Radmonovic, Jaric etc....?

Is he still the second best International player behind Dirk? Is it close? Is he on the same tier more or less than most of the best international players not named Dirk?

Where does Peja rank and why?

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Peja is a great Foreign player but he needs to show more then just the ability to shoot. Him and Bibby need to be leaders on the court.
 
Bricklayer

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1) Dirk >> Peja
2) Kirlienko >> Peja
3) Ginobili > Peja
4) Peja
5) Yao < Peja (unless you take into account position/potential then its Yao >> Peja)
6) Gasol < Peja
7) Ilgauskas << Peja
8) Parker << Peja

Everone else <<< or less, unless I am forgetting someone.
 
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bozzwell

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Bricklayer said:
1) Dirk >> Peja
2) Kirlienko >> Peja
3) Ginobili > Peja
4) Peja
5) Yao < Peja (unless you take into account position/potential then its Yao >> Peja)
6) Gasol < Peja
7) Ilgauskas << Peja
8) Parker << Peja

Everone else <<< or less, unless I am forgetting someone.
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Great rankings. I would also say Dirk >>> then anybody else, after seeing him put the team on his shoulders and take it to the finals of EC (and qualify for WC) on his own. I am starting to wander if Cuban and Nelson(s) are actually standing in the way of Dirk's development with the constant reshuffling of nearly-stars and suicidal basketball.

Not to mention that partying at all hours didn't seem to slow him down unlike some other NBA players in the EC. Ahem...
 
FrenchCanadianKING

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LOL, its not cause Stevie and the rest of English Speaking Canada have the same accent as Americans(except fot that annoying eh but whatever :p ),that we look American, and that some of us like Steve have names that could be called American that we are... + He's officially a Canadian citizen but both his parents are British and he was born in South Africa...

So call lil Stevie what you want, i call him a citizen of the world.

He should be in the debate cause nothing about him is American.

Now the real question is, would he be ahead of his buddy Nowitzki?
 
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I would rather have Nowitzki, Yao, Gasol, Ginobili, and Kirilenko.

Peja is a very, very good player. But his poor rebounding and tenative play during crunch time have grown tiresome.
 
Bricklayer

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FrenchCanadianKING said:
LOL, its not cause Stevie and the rest of English Speaking Canada have the same accent as Americans(except fot that annoying eh but whatever :p ),that we look American, and that some of us like Steve have names that could be called American that we are... + He's officially a Canadian citizen but both his parents are British and he was born in South Africa...

So call lil Stevie what you want, i call him a citizen of the world.

He should be in the debate cause nothing about him is American.

Now the real question is, would he be ahead of his buddy Nowitzki?
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Well the additional issue with Steve (beyond being from our 51st state ;)) is that he came through the American college system, and for whatever reason when people talk about "international" players, they normally seem to be referring to those who were not only born overseas, but those who developed their games overseas too. Greatest "international" player of all time was likely Hakeem Olajuwon, but he played college ball in America, (and I think eventualy got dual citizenship), and so he's not really thought of in the same way as an Arvydas Sabonis or Drazen Petrovic who learned the game overseas.
 
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Mr. S£im Citrus

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sloter said:
Kirilenko, Gasol and Pedja are about the same level.
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Say what now? About the same level? Stojakovic is a better shooter, and Kirilenko is better at everything else...

My Top 25 International players, taking only their country of birth into consideration to qualify as International (and yes, I count Canada as International; you're lucky I don't count the Virgin Islands):

1. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks (GER)
2. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz (RUS)
3. Emmanuel Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs (ARG)
4. Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns (CAN/RSA)
5. Predrag Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings (SCG)
6. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets (CHN)
7. Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies (ESP)
8. Ben Gordon, Chicago Bulls (GBR)
9. Andres Nocioni, Chicago Bulls (ARG)
10. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland Cavaliers (LTU)

11. Nenad Krstic, New Jersey Nets (SCG)
12. William Parker, San Antonio Spurs (BEL/FRA)
13. Jamaal Magliore, New Orleans Hornets (CAN)
14. Dikembe Mutombo, Houston Rockets (COD)
15. Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia 76ers (HAI)
16. Mehmet Okur, Utah Jazz (TUR)
17. Hidayet Turkoglu, Orlando Magic (TUR)
18. Marko Jaric, Minnesota Timberwolves (SCG)
19. Maybyner Hilario, Denver Nuggets (BRZ)
20. Primoz Brezec, Charlotte Hornets (SLO)

21. Luol Deng, Chicago Bulls (SUD)
22. Darius Songaila, Chicago Bulls (LTU)
23. Carlos Arroyo, Detroit Pistons (PUR)
24. Vladimir Radmanovic, Seattle Supersonics (SCG)
25. Eduardo Najera, Golden State Warriors (MEX)
 
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Evenstar

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tim duncan doesn't count as foreign, he played for USA basketball in the olympics.

i'd say AK47, dirk and manu are better then peja. AK does everything, scores, defends, blocks, passes, but you just don't fear him going off for 30 points at any given time. dirk is a great scorer, ok decent rebounder, he's getting better, but i take AK is everything over dirk except scoring ( when it comes to stats) and manu, he can be unstoppable. and nash. nash can pass with the best of them, and makes clutch shots then comes peja.

yao above peja??? not in my book. he may be tall, but the only thing he's proven to me how's he's better then peja is by winning the most all star game votes.

honorable mention goes to gasol, parker, dalembert.
 
VF21

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Kings241 said:
Peja is a great Foreign player but he needs to show more then just the ability to shoot. Him and Bibby need to be leaders on the court.
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You must have missed the part where Peja says the team doesn't need a leader...

;)

Mr. S£im Citrus said:
1. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks (GER)
2. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz (RUS)
3. Emmanuel Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs (ARG)
4. Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns (CAN/RSA)
5. Predrag Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings (SCG)
6. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets (CHN)
7. Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies (ESP)
8. Ben Gordon, Chicago Bulls (GBR)
9. Andres Nocioni, Chicago Bulls (ARG)
10. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland Cavaliers (LTU)
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And I think the list above is spot on...
 
Circa_1985_Fan

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Bricklayer said:
1) Dirk >> Peja
2) Kirlienko >> Peja
3) Ginobili > Peja
4) Peja
5) Yao < Peja (unless you take into account position/potential then its Yao >> Peja)
6) Gasol < Peja
7) Ilgauskas << Peja
8) Parker << Peja

Everone else <<< or less, unless I am forgetting someone.
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I think that Parker is way up on this list...probably 5th right after Peja, but maybe a close 5th. As far as the whole Nash thing, well...I'd put him probably behind Peja and Parker but ahead of Yao and Big Z. Not sure where to put Gasol in the middle of all this.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

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Circa_1985_Fan said:
I think that Parker is way up on this list...probably 5th...
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:: stops reading ::

I strongly disagree with that sentiment; I'll grant that my list probably overrates some players, and underrates others, but Parker is not one of them. There's no chance in hell that William Anthony Parker is the fifth-best International player in the NBA; hell, he might not be the fifth-best International player in the state of Texas...


EDIT - And, now that I think about it, I forgot someone that I'd orginally intended to rank... sooo...
 
Circa_1985_Fan

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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Say what now? About the same level? Stojakovic is a better shooter, and Kirilenko is better at everything else...

My Top 25 International players, taking only their country of birth into consideration to qualify as International (and yes, I count Canada as International; you're lucky I don't count the Virgin Islands):

1. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks (GER)
2. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz (RUS)
3. Emmanuel Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs (ARG)
4. Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns (CAN/RSA)
5. Predrag Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings (SCG)
6. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets (CHN)
7. Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies (ESP)
8. Ben Gordon, Chicago Bulls (GBR)
9. Andres Nocioni, Chicago Bulls (ARG)
10. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland Cavaliers (LTU)

11. Nenad Krstic, New Jersey Nets (SCG)
12. William Parker, San Antonio Spurs (BEL/FRA)
13. Jamaal Magliore, New Orleans Hornets (CAN)
14. Dikembe Mutombo, Houston Rockets (COD)
15. Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia 76ers (HAI)
16. Mehmet Okur, Utah Jazz (TUR)
17. Hidayet Turkoglu, Orlando Magic (TUR)
18. Marko Jaric, Minnesota Timberwolves (SCG)
19. Primoz Brezec, Charlotte Hornets (SLO)
20. Luol Deng, Chicago Bulls (SUD)

21. Darius Songaila, Chicago Bulls (LTU)
22. Carlos Arroyo, Detroit Pistons (PUR)
23. Vladimir Radmanovic, Seattle Supersonics (SCG)
24. Beno Udirh, San Antonio Spurs (SLO)
25. Eduardo Najera, Golden State Warriors (MEX)
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Wow, Parker at #12 behind Nenad Krstic(even though I like his game) and Nocioni?? I just dont get how folks can, not only, put him down on this list, but totally forget about him for the most part when talking about the elite PG's int he league...guess he needs to be more vocal like what Bibby is trying to do now to get more notice...I guess people forget he is the quarterback of a team that has won 3 titles in the last 6 seasons, plus he is a 20 point scorer on top of all that, too. Edit: My bad, only 17ppg.:) By the way...you think that Mutombo deserves that much cred., even in his ancient and slower stage that he is in now? I'd probably move Hedo and Dalembert up on the list.
 
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Bricklayer

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I really don't think Tony Parker is that exceptional, and not really sure what evidence there is that he even might be. He's a good PG, but not an elite one, and I really consider him the weakest link of San Antonio's stars. What does he really do that is so special beyond being quick? And on the flipside, its hard to ignore his defensive issues, shaky outside shooting, shaky free throw work, tendency to disappear at key moments, problems with physical opponents etc. etc. Think he's one of those guys that would be largely ignored if he did not play for the champs. Certainly no way he's more of an impact player/star than Yao or Gasol. He's a support guy.
 
VF21

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Gary said:
Ginobili better than Peja? Bah. I say Peja > Ginobili.
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Peja can shoot. Period... And if his shooting goes away, he's pretty much just eye candy for a certain percentage of fans.

Manu Ginobili is a much more well-rounded, complete player and is able to do a lot more for his team than Peja does for us IMHO.
 
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Circa_1985_Fan said:
... I just dont get how folks can, not only, put him down on this list, but totally forget about him for the most part when talking about the elite PG's int he league...
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On the contrary. I didn't "forget" Parker; I just don't consider him an "elite" point guard. Frankly, I'm reluctant to rank him in the Top Ten:

1. Steve Nash
2. Jason Kidd
3. Mike Bibby
4. Baron Davis
5. Chauncey Billups
6. Gilbert Arenas
7. FSM
8. Kirk Hinrich
9. Luke Ridnour (yeah, that's right; I said Luke F. Ridnour)
10. Tony Parker

Circa_1985_Fan said:
...I guess people forget he is the quarterback of a team that has won 3 titles in the last 6 seasons...
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Hrmm, I don't know about that:

1999 - You must be confusing him with Avery Johnson.
2003 - You must be confusing him with Speedy Claxton, because the only thing that I saw Parker leading in crunch time in the playoffs was the cheers from the bench.
2005 - Unless, of course, they needed defense; then, he sat and watched Udirh play.

Circa_1985_Fan said:
... plus he is a 20 point scorer on top of all that, too.
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And, by "20 point scorer," you must mean 16.6. Parker hasn't averaged anything particularly close to 20 ppg in his career to date.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

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Circa_1985_Fan said:
By the way...you think that Mutombo deserves that much cred., even in his ancient and slower stage that he is in now?
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Damn right; even in his "ancient and slower stage," he's still probably the fourth-best defensive International player in the NBA.
 
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