What's he worth?

[Fresno King]

If the Kings somehow get enough money under the cap to sign Wells, how long and for how much?

I'm all for 2 years, 9.5 million.

We'd have to trade KT to get this done, or trade Corliss for a future 2nd round pick IMHO.

 

[TheJoker]

Man we're not getting Bonzi back why are people still talkin about him?

 

[HndsmCelt]

If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak.

 

[Kings113]

Man we're not getting Bonzi back why are people still talkin about him?

Because they have different expectations/views than you.

Also, it really isn't out of the possibility considering the mostly irrelevant trio of roster spots that are filled right now.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Man we're not getting Bonzi back why are people still talkin about him?

AMEN!! People, PLEASE READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY: BONZI WELLS IS NOT A SACRAMENTO KING, BONZI WELLS WON'T BE A SACRAMENTO KING, WE GAVE JOHN SALMONS THE MONEY HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET...ONCE AGAIN, BONZI WELLS ISN'T A SACRAMENTO KING

 

[TheJoker]

113, It's Bonzi that wants to return GP has gaved every indication that they have moved on. i want Bonzi as much as the next guy but its not happening and the more we understand that it will be more easy to move on.

 

[Fresno King]

Why are we still talking about it? For crying out loud, how many times have all of us re-hashed the same stuff this entire offseason? Is it that big a deal? How many 'trade Brad Miller' threads have there been? KG threads? Kenny Thomas trade scenarios? We're ALL guilty.

 

[TheJoker]

Why are we still talking about it? For crying out loud, how many times have all of us re-hashed the same stuff this entire offseason? Is it that big a deal? How many 'trade Brad Miller' threads have there been? KG threads? Kenny Thomas trade scenarios? We're ALL guilty.

Yes, but there scenario suggestions. this is something that has been out-dated since we got John Salmons. GP has made it clear they have moved on why bring up something that has been dead? the only reason Bonzi wants to return is make him a good guy when hes not. through thick and thin Bonzi has been Sprewell-esque the whole summer bragging about the extention he wants to recieve.

GP especially Maloofs don't like the idea of the Luxury tax being over the limit which will be the case if we get Bonzi, do i want the Kings to get Bonzi back?!? absolutely. but the more i think about it the more i understand its not gonna happen and the best thing i should do is move on.

 

[bajaden]

Is Bonzi coming back? I don't think so. Could he? Maybe, if he would play for the league mininum. In reality it might be a good move. We would still retain the bird rights and could do a sign and trade next year. Or if we were to lose enough under the salary cap, resign him ourselves. Likely? NOT....

 

[jay dubb]

The Kings aren't stupid, Bonzi will be a Sac King, you'll see.

 

[Rowdyone]

Bonzi may or may not be back, his ship may or may not have sailed. Just because GP has taken a negative public stance doesn't mean he has absolutely washed his hands of the possibility. It could be just partly negotiations ploy or he could honestly have moved on like some of you. But to dismiss it out of hand at this point is merely believing what GP wants Bonzi to believe. GP has the luxury, somewhat, in this situation to go either way without much public backlash. He just has to decide if Bonzi's price is do-able and if he wants to go without his 8-16 boards per night, knowing that we'll be doing well to get half of them. I really won't be surprised from a business standpoint if he's not re-signed but from a basketball standpoint, knowing what Bonzi will do for us in another "contract" season I would be disappointed in another decision that nets us nothing upon the departure of a seasoned vet that can make us a better team.

 

[Warhawk]

Bonzi may or may not be back, his ship may or may not have sailed. Just because GP has taken a negative public stance doesn't mean he has absolutely washed his hands of the possibility. It could be just partly negotiations ploy or he could honestly have moved on like some of you. But to dismiss it out of hand at this point is merely believing what GP wants Bonzi to believe. GP has the luxury, somewhat, in this situation to go either way without much public backlash. He just has to decide if Bonzi's price is do-able and if he wants to go without his 8-16 boards per night, knowing that we'll be doing well to get half of them. I really won't be surprised from a business standpoint if he's not re-signed but from a basketball standpoint, knowing what Bonzi will do for us in another "contract" season I would be disappointed in another decision that nets us nothing upon the departure of a seasoned vet that can make us a better team.

This is kind of where I am too. Is it 100% out of the question? I don't think so. Bonzi may take a cheap 1-year deal to try again next year and he genuinely seemed to like it here. Is it likely? Heck, no. I'd say 99.5% no. But to write it off completely when dynamics have changed a bit may not be totally prudent, either.

He wants to play somewhere. If he goes for a cheap 1-year deal I think he'll probably go somewhere else for more than the vet's min.

People get traded, and trade exceptions can be done as well for salary cap/tax reasons. Who knows, we may unload a few smalls for someone and free up both roster spots and starting/backup positions. I just think that any time you are talking about a talent like Bonzi, you don't totally shut the door on him if he comes back with his hat in his hand.

In all reality, though, Bonzi isn't coming back or signing any S&T deal.

 

[ezekielbear]

If Bonzi comes cheap, there is no way they'd say no.

I just doubt he comes cheap enough where the Kings would be okay with it.

 

[Viking]

AMEN!! People, PLEASE READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY: BONZI WELLS IS NOT A SACRAMENTO KING, BONZI WELLS WON'T BE A SACRAMENTO KING, WE GAVE JOHN SALMONS THE MONEY HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET...ONCE AGAIN, BONZI WELLS ISN'T A SACRAMENTO KING

hopefully you mean the money bonzi was supposed to get... but regardless i can see why some people do not want to be reminded of our acquisition of Salmons, especially for the price we paid...

i am one of them...

 

[TheJoker]

The Kings aren't stupid, Bonzi will be a Sac King, you'll see.

Stop playing the Devil's advocate here.... the reason the Kings do not want Bonzi is because they felt they were disrespected in the primary process. and then you have the situation with the Luxury Tax issues. Maloofs have suggested the only way they go over the Luxry Tax is if they build a winner and they think Bonzi is not that. so will the Kings be stupid if they said no? nope as much as i want them to get Bonzi they have there reasons and i just have to swallow my pride and follow it.

 

[Starting Five]

The Kings aren't stupid, Bonzi will be a Sac King, you'll see.

He could have been a King but he turned down 36 million dollars. Now he's going to come back here and play for a vet mimimum contract or something like that? Then we may have to move some other contracts to accomidate him? No.

I think Bonzi is way overated. None of the other GM's are knocking on his door. He played well in the playoff's because it was his contract year. Martin should be our starter..he's earned it.

 

[Kings113]

113, It's Bonzi that wants to return GP has gaved every indication that they have moved on. i want Bonzi as much as the next guy but its not happening and the more we understand that it will be more easy to move on.

People are still going to have their own expectations/views/hopes. That's just the way it is, chap. It's also not impossible to get Bonzi back.

He could have been a King but he turned down 36 million dollars. Now he's going to come back here and play for a vet mimimum contract or something like that? Then we may have to move some other contracts to accomidate him? No.

I think Bonzi is way overated. None of the other GM's are knocking on his door. He played well in the playoff's because it was his contract year. Martin should be our starter..he's earned it.

Bonzi's always played well in the playoffs, he's a proven playoff performer. Did the contract year-factor come in there though? Probably.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

hopefully you mean the money bonzi was supposed to get... but regardless i can see why some people do not want to be reminded of our acquisition of Salmons, especially for the price we paid...

i am one of them...

yup, meant we gave Salmons the Bonzi money.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

The Kings aren't stupid, Bonzi will be a Sac King, you'll see.

This is a closed chapter already...next...

 

[kupman]

How many threads should be dedicated to this lost issue?

 

[TheJoker]

People are still going to have their own expectations/views/hopes. That's just the way it is, chap. It's also not impossible to get Bonzi back.

Wow, just wow.... maybe we can trade Kenny Thomas for Tim Duncan and Mike Bibby for LeBron James i mean its just our hopes and our views???? i hate when people always bring up a dead issue why is it hard for this Fan base to move on from stuff?

 

[thedofd]

He could have been a King but he turned down 36 million dollars. Now he's going to come back here and play for a vet mimimum contract or something like that? Then we may have to move some other contracts to accomidate him? No.

I think Bonzi is way overated. None of the other GM's are knocking on his door. He played well in the playoff's because it was his contract year. Martin should be our starter..he's earned it.

This isn't personal, it's business. Bonzi was getting bad advice on his market value (I'm not absolving him on blame; he accepted the advice). If his market has been established as the veteran's minimum or something close to that for this season, the Kings absolutely ought to do whatever they can to bring him back.

To say that the door has been slammed shut and locked may be premature. Petrie plays his cards very close to the vest.

You say that Bonzi's overrated; that may be. But at least he rates. The way I look at the Kings' roster, there are only a half-dozen proven legitimate NBA players: Shareef, Artest, Bibby, Martin, Miller and (arrrrrrgh!) KT. There are 3 players who have had the opportunity to establish little or no value: Hart, Potapenko, and Woods. There is 1 player who's over the hill, Corliss. The rest are all too unproven to be counted on (yes, I'm throwing Garcia and Salmons into that mix).

IMHO, the Kings don't have enough NBA-proven talent to be considered legitimate. Yes, there's a potential logjam at big guard and small forward, but I just don't know enough about most of those logs to feel comfortable.

So if Bonzi wants to come back with his tail between his legs, I'm all for it.

 

[Kings113]

Wow, just wow.... maybe we can trade Kenny Thomas for Tim Duncan and Mike Bibby for LeBron James i mean its just our hopes and our views???? i hate when people always bring up a dead issue why is it hard for this Fan base to move on from stuff?

Those are blatantly exaggerated situations/trades. But, I'm just telling you how it is - not facing that is just being ignorant towards the actual.

My own view on Bonzi coming back... do I see it happening? Not really. Would I be okay with it if he somehow did? Of course.

 

[TheJoker]

My own view on Bonzi coming back... do I see it happening? Not really. Would I be okay with it if he somehow did? Of course.

Literally, i agree with you but i know why the Kings do not want him and i jut have to move on. people need to realize hes not a King and won't be a King.

 

[VF21]

Wow, just wow.... maybe we can trade Kenny Thomas for Tim Duncan and Mike Bibby for LeBron James i mean its just our hopes and our views???? i hate when people always bring up a dead issue why is it hard for this Fan base to move on from stuff?

The greatest thing about a message board is that you're not required to read or comment on any one issue. If you don't agree with something being discussed, just move on to the next thread.

It never does any good whatsoever to argue about whether or not something is worth discussing.

I would recommend you take your own advice and move on ... to the next topic at hand.

 

[thedofd]

Literally, i agree with you but i know why the Kings do not want him and i jut have to move on. people need to realize hes not a King and won't be a King.

Do you have an inside source with information about something that has happened recently? Or, when you say "I know why..." do you mean in the sense that you understand the Kings' logic because of Bonzi's checkered history?

 

[TheJoker]

The greatest thing about a message board is that you're not required to read or comment on any one issue. If you don't agree with something being discussed, just move on to the next thread.

It never does any good whatsoever to argue about whether or not something is worth discussing.

I would recommend you take your own advice and move on ... to the next topic at hand.

I'm not stopping people from believing that getting Bonzi is possible. however i do think the chances are exteremly low and people should have that expectation. but if people believe we can get Bonzi then hey more power to you i still feel Bonzi should be a King but i can't hate the Kings for not getting him because they have there reasons.

 

[TheJoker]

Do you have an inside source with information about something that has happened recently? Or, when you say "I know why..." do you mean in the sense that you understand the Kings' logic because of Bonzi's checkered history?

Because the logic, and reality suggests the Luxury Tax is the reason we do not want Bonzi and most importantly because Bonzi had his chance and he blew it.

 

[Kings113]

Literally, i agree with you but i know why the Kings do not want him and i jut have to move on. people need to realize hes not a King and won't be a King.

No, they don't have to.

Because the logic, and reality suggests the Luxury Tax is the reason we do not want Bonzi and most importantly because Bonzi had his chance and he blew it.

However, when I've said previously tha it's not impossible for Bonzi to come back - it's because we could move one of the expring contracts for a non-roster spot acquistion. Then, as before, we'd be able to sign him to whatever we want (which would be a much lesser deal) because the Kings have his bird rights.

 

[thedofd]

Because the logic, and reality suggests the Luxury Tax is the reason we do not want Bonzi and most importantly because Bonzi had his chance and he blew it.

The luxury tax issue makes sense. I think we all get that. As things stand now, logically, you're 100 percent correct. Now, can that be worked out? It's possible, as long as Bonzi is appropriately humbled by what he's been through and lowers his demands.

But saying "Bonzi had his chance and he blew it" -- while I might agree with you as a fan, I think and hope that the Kings management will look at the situation with professional detachment and do what's best for the team regardless of emotion. And, I believe, what's best for the team is upgrading the talent base, regardless of position.