What talents should our missing shot-blocker big possess?

funkykingston

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Understand. Got your message. I knew the term "shot blocker" was never enough. What term or terns would you use to describe this person we should have?

Well in a perfect world you'd have a guy that was around 6'11" - 7'1" and 250 to 270 lbs to play center and shift Cousins to PF and yet still had the foot speed to guard athletic fours. Who had good hands and could score down low as well as step out to 15 - 18 ft and hit a jumper with regularity but who doesn't demand shots. Who sets picks, rebounds and blocks shots, but more importantly knows where everyone should be defensively and is able to make the right rotation to protect the basket when things break down. And guy who has a little junkyard dog to his game.

Cousins is an anomaly in being a big who is dominant offensively and on the boards and yet who isn't a defensive anchor. Most guys are both. And it's why finding a perfect compliment is difficult. Most guys that can fill that role on D also want to be the go-to guy offensively.

Think of defensive anchors of the past. Ewing, Mourning and Shaq would not have allowed Cousins to be the go-to big man, even though in Mourning's case he really should of. Mutombo would have but would have been a bad match on offense.

Samuel Dalembert ticked some boxes. Had most of the physical tools and could block shots but couldn't really be a defensive anchor because he was often out of position and also seemed to think he was a go-to guy offensively despite not having the skill. And he's always been a poor locker room guy mostly because his efforts are often questioned.

Andre Drummond was a huge miss for the Kings. Not great awareness on D either but supreme tools and young enough that you have to think he'll get there. Still, of the 614 shots Drummond took last year, 598 (96%) were within four feet of the basket. I'm of the school that you get a talent like that next to Cuz and find a way to make it work but the reality is that I think Drummond will follow a Dwight Howard type career arc and thus everybody playing with him will need to space the floor. Which means if he played with Cuz you'd either have DMC primarily shooting jumpers or Drummond moved to the high post where he has yet to show any effectiveness or even potential. Still, on the defensive side he's probably the best fit in the league as a center who could allow Boogie to slide to the 4.

Tyson Chandler is close to ideal but doesn't really have the bulk to defend physical guys inside.

Hibbert is the defensive anchor but is soft on the boards, disappears for stretches and leaves you with two guys who can't guard athletic bigs and a front court that is going to be plodding and slow in transition.

Marc Gasol is an interesting fit and Boogie is more versatile than Z-Bo so it could certainly work. Kind of a modern day Webb and Vlade but of course Gasol isn't exactly an athletic shot blocker.

Late career David Robinson would probably be ideal. Sure he lacks a killer instinct which is why he was willing to step back and make room for Duncan and he's not a Charles Oakley personality but maybe he'd have help calm DMC. Who knows? But there's only been one David Robinson in the history of the NBA.

Looking at the Bad Boys era Pistons Lambier could draw defenses with his jumper and was a mix it up man defender but not a defensive anchor or shot blocker. John Salley filled that role but (1) wasn't an elite defensive player or shot blocker and (2) wasn't much bigger than Moreland.

I often think one of the Davis boys from Indiana would have been nice fits. Dale was bigger and stronger and a better rebounder while Antonio was quicker and more athletic. Neither came into the league much bigger than Moreland (Antonio Davis was smaller actually) but both clearly hit the weight room. Still, neither guy was a real defensive anchor or shot blocker per se. More of enforcer/rebounder types, especially Dale who was the only one big enough to really guard centers.

If you get rid of the requirement that the guy be a full grown center and force Cuz to man the 5 spot and guard opposing centers then you start looking at long athletic shot blockers. This is where your Larry Nance (who came in Nerlens Noel sized), Marcus Camby, Larry Sanders, John Henson and Anthony Davis players come in. And as I've shown previously, Moreland is coming in at the same size as all of those guys.

My point (if I have one) is that it's hard even considering the entire history of the NBA to find a perfect front court mate for DeMarcus. I suppose in an perfect situation you'd have a guy like Drummond with a guy like Adriean Payne off the bench. And the Kings could have drafted both guys.

But since they didn't, you keep DMC at the pivot and hope Moreland can be a poor man's Larry Sanders.
 
Well in a perfect world you'd have a guy that was around 6'11" - 7'1" and 250 to 270 lbs to play center and shift Cousins to PF and yet still had the foot speed to guard athletic fours. Who had good hands and could score down low as well as step out to 15 - 18 ft and hit a jumper with regularity but who doesn't demand shots. Who sets picks, rebounds and blocks shots, but more importantly knows where everyone should be defensively and is able to make the right rotation to protect the basket when things break down. And guy who has a little junkyard dog to his game.

Cousins is an anomaly in being a big who is dominant offensively and on the boards and yet who isn't a defensive anchor. Most guys are both. And it's why finding a perfect compliment is difficult. Most guys that can fill that role on D also want to be the go-to guy offensively.

Think of defensive anchors of the past. Ewing, Mourning and Shaq would not have allowed Cousins to be the go-to big man, even though in Mourning's case he really should of. Mutombo would have but would have been a bad match on offense.

Samuel Dalembert ticked some boxes. Had most of the physical tools and could block shots but couldn't really be a defensive anchor because he was often out of position and also seemed to think he was a go-to guy offensively despite not having the skill. And he's always been a poor locker room guy mostly because his efforts are often questioned.

Andre Drummond was a huge miss for the Kings. Not great awareness on D either but supreme tools and young enough that you have to think he'll get there. Still, of the 614 shots Drummond took last year, 598 (96%) were within four feet of the basket. I'm of the school that you get a talent like that next to Cuz and find a way to make it work but the reality is that I think Drummond will follow a Dwight Howard type career arc and thus everybody playing with him will need to space the floor. Which means if he played with Cuz you'd either have DMC primarily shooting jumpers or Drummond moved to the high post where he has yet to show any effectiveness or even potential. Still, on the defensive side he's probably the best fit in the league as a center who could allow Boogie to slide to the 4.

Tyson Chandler is close to ideal but doesn't really have the bulk to defend physical guys inside.

Hibbert is the defensive anchor but is soft on the boards, disappears for stretches and leaves you with two guys who can't guard athletic bigs and a front court that is going to be plodding and slow in transition.

Marc Gasol is an interesting fit and Boogie is more versatile than Z-Bo so it could certainly work. Kind of a modern day Webb and Vlade but of course Gasol isn't exactly an athletic shot blocker.

Late career David Robinson would probably be ideal. Sure he lacks a killer instinct which is why he was willing to step back and make room for Duncan and he's not a Charles Oakley personality but maybe he'd have help calm DMC. Who knows? But there's only been one David Robinson in the history of the NBA.

Looking at the Bad Boys era Pistons Lambier could draw defenses with his jumper and was a mix it up man defender but not a defensive anchor or shot blocker. John Salley filled that role but (1) wasn't an elite defensive player or shot blocker and (2) wasn't much bigger than Moreland.

I often think one of the Davis boys from Indiana would have been nice fits. Dale was bigger and stronger and a better rebounder while Antonio was quicker and more athletic. Neither came into the league much bigger than Moreland (Antonio Davis was smaller actually) but both clearly hit the weight room. Still, neither guy was a real defensive anchor or shot blocker per se. More of enforcer/rebounder types, especially Dale who was the only one big enough to really guard centers.

If you get rid of the requirement that the guy be a full grown center and force Cuz to man the 5 spot and guard opposing centers then you start looking at long athletic shot blockers. This is where your Larry Nance (who came in Nerlens Noel sized), Marcus Camby, Larry Sanders, John Henson and Anthony Davis players come in. And as I've shown previously, Moreland is coming in at the same size as all of those guys.

My point (if I have one) is that it's hard even considering the entire history of the NBA to find a perfect front court mate for DeMarcus. I suppose in an perfect situation you'd have a guy like Drummond with a guy like Adriean Payne off the bench. And the Kings could have drafted both guys.

But since they didn't, you keep DMC at the pivot and hope Moreland can be a poor man's Larry Sanders.

PJ Brown would have been a pretty good fit next to Cousins.
 
PJ Brown would have been a pretty good fit next to Cousins.

You know what's funny? I saw this and I thought, yeah, that's true. PJ Brown would have been a nice fit in the Oakley mold but bigger and longer and able to help guard the best opposing big on defense if need be. But then I wondered, how different is PJ Brown than Jason Thompson?

So I compared their stats over their first 6 seasons in the NBA. Pretty much the same size and build (Thompson is actually a bit bigger I think) and their stats are nearly identical. In fact, while Brown blocks slightly more shots (per 36 Brown blocked around 1.4 per and JT around 1.0) Thompson was the better rebounder. Sure, Brown had more of a lunch pail attitude and seemingly accepted his role whereas JT bristled at it this past season, but their on court production was remarkably similar. And while many fans want to see Thompson go, he did an admirable job last season matched up against the likes of Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, LaMarcus Aldridge etc. The Kings have a PJ Brown type already but seemingly are looking to deal him to open up minutes for Landry.

If and when JT gets dealt, who exactly is the backup C? Other than he and Cousins every guy on the roster is under 6'9"

I'll just say it. I don't want to wait until camp and risk losing Moreland to another team. I want the Kings to sign him now. Not much risk in giving him a minimum rookie contract, and I'm sure he'll take it (given that he wasn't even drafted). In the same vein, I don't want to "stash" him in the D-League. I want him to play next season next to Cousins (even if in limited minutes). If it doesn't work and he's indeed too raw or too skinny, the Kings can send him to Reno. I just want to see at least 1 (one) player on the roster next season who actually cares about D and even takes pride in his defensive abilities.

Agreed.
 
Well in a perfect world you'd have a guy that was around 6'11" - 7'1" and 250 to 270 lbs to play center and shift Cousins to PF and yet still had the foot speed to guard athletic fours. Who had good hands and could score down low as well as step out to 15 - 18 ft and hit a jumper with regularity but who doesn't demand shots. Who sets picks, rebounds and blocks shots, but more importantly knows where everyone should be defensively and is able to make the right rotation to protect the basket when things break down. And guy who has a little junkyard dog to his game.

Cousins is an anomaly in being a big who is dominant offensively and on the boards and yet who isn't a defensive anchor. Most guys are both. And it's why finding a perfect compliment is difficult. Most guys that can fill that role on D also want to be the go-to guy offensively.

Think of defensive anchors of the past. Ewing, Mourning and Shaq would not have allowed Cousins to be the go-to big man, even though in Mourning's case he really should of. Mutombo would have but would have been a bad match on offense.

Samuel Dalembert ticked some boxes. Had most of the physical tools and could block shots but couldn't really be a defensive anchor because he was often out of position and also seemed to think he was a go-to guy offensively despite not having the skill. And he's always been a poor locker room guy mostly because his efforts are often questioned.

Andre Drummond was a huge miss for the Kings. Not great awareness on D either but supreme tools and young enough that you have to think he'll get there. Still, of the 614 shots Drummond took last year, 598 (96%) were within four feet of the basket. I'm of the school that you get a talent like that next to Cuz and find a way to make it work but the reality is that I think Drummond will follow a Dwight Howard type career arc and thus everybody playing with him will need to space the floor. Which means if he played with Cuz you'd either have DMC primarily shooting jumpers or Drummond moved to the high post where he has yet to show any effectiveness or even potential. Still, on the defensive side he's probably the best fit in the league as a center who could allow Boogie to slide to the 4.

Tyson Chandler is close to ideal but doesn't really have the bulk to defend physical guys inside.

Hibbert is the defensive anchor but is soft on the boards, disappears for stretches and leaves you with two guys who can't guard athletic bigs and a front court that is going to be plodding and slow in transition.

Marc Gasol is an interesting fit and Boogie is more versatile than Z-Bo so it could certainly work. Kind of a modern day Webb and Vlade but of course Gasol isn't exactly an athletic shot blocker.

Late career David Robinson would probably be ideal. Sure he lacks a killer instinct which is why he was willing to step back and make room for Duncan and he's not a Charles Oakley personality but maybe he'd have help calm DMC. Who knows? But there's only been one David Robinson in the history of the NBA.

Looking at the Bad Boys era Pistons Lambier could draw defenses with his jumper and was a mix it up man defender but not a defensive anchor or shot blocker. John Salley filled that role but (1) wasn't an elite defensive player or shot blocker and (2) wasn't much bigger than Moreland.

I often think one of the Davis boys from Indiana would have been nice fits. Dale was bigger and stronger and a better rebounder while Antonio was quicker and more athletic. Neither came into the league much bigger than Moreland (Antonio Davis was smaller actually) but both clearly hit the weight room. Still, neither guy was a real defensive anchor or shot blocker per se. More of enforcer/rebounder types, especially Dale who was the only one big enough to really guard centers.

If you get rid of the requirement that the guy be a full grown center and force Cuz to man the 5 spot and guard opposing centers then you start looking at long athletic shot blockers. This is where your Larry Nance (who came in Nerlens Noel sized), Marcus Camby, Larry Sanders, John Henson and Anthony Davis players come in. And as I've shown previously, Moreland is coming in at the same size as all of those guys.

My point (if I have one) is that it's hard even considering the entire history of the NBA to find a perfect front court mate for DeMarcus. I suppose in an perfect situation you'd have a guy like Drummond with a guy like Adriean Payne off the bench. And the Kings could have drafted both guys.

But since they didn't, you keep DMC at the pivot and hope Moreland can be a poor man's Larry Sanders.

Thanks, funkykingston, for. That tour through the present and historic candidate and the qualities that are most desire able. How do JT, Evans, Moreland, new guy Or, JWill ad Acy stage up bird-in-the-hand style?
 
Please note: I split this part of the discussion out from the Moreland thread, as I think the discussion is relevant even if Moreland isn't signed.
 
You know what's funny? I saw this and I thought, yeah, that's true. PJ Brown would have been a nice fit in the Oakley mold but bigger and longer and able to help guard the best opposing big on defense if need be. But then I wondered, how different is PJ Brown than Jason Thompson?

So I compared their stats over their first 6 seasons in the NBA. Pretty much the same size and build (Thompson is actually a bit bigger I think) and their stats are nearly identical. In fact, while Brown blocks slightly more shots (per 36 Brown blocked around 1.4 per and JT around 1.0) Thompson was the better rebounder. Sure, Brown had more of a lunch pail attitude and seemingly accepted his role whereas JT bristled at it this past season, but their on court production was remarkably similar. And while many fans want to see Thompson go, he did an admirable job last season matched up against the likes of Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, LaMarcus Aldridge etc. The Kings have a PJ Brown type already but seemingly are looking to deal him to open up minutes for Landry.

If and when JT gets dealt, who exactly is the backup C? Other than he and Cousins every guy on the roster is under 6'9"Agreed.

Numbers may be similar but PJ Brown was a superior defender compared to JT.....not close in that aspect.
 
  • Well in a perfect world you'd have a guy that was around 6'11" - 7'1" and 250 to 270 lbs to play center and shift Cousins to PF and yet still had the foot speed to guard athletic fours. Who had good hands and could score down low as well as step out to 15 - 18 ft and hit a jumper with regularity but who doesn't demand shots. Who sets picks, rebounds and blocks shots, but more importantly knows where everyone should be defensively and is able to make the right rotation to protect the basket when things break down. And guy who has a little junkyard dog to his game.
Cousins is an anomaly in being a big who is dominant offensively and on the boards and yet who isn't a defensive anchor. Most guys are both. And it's why finding a perfect compliment is difficult. Most guys that can fill that role on D also want to be the go-to guy offensively.

Think of defensive anchors of the past. Ewing, Mourning and Shaq would not have allowed Cousins to be the go-to big man, even though in Mourning's case he really should of. Mutombo would have but would have been a bad match on offense.

Samuel Dalembert ticked some boxes. Had most of the physical tools and could block shots but couldn't really be a defensive anchor because he was often out of position and also seemed to think he was a go-to guy offensively despite not having the skill. And he's always been a poor locker room guy mostly because his efforts are often questioned.

Andre Drummond was a huge miss for the Kings. Not great awareness on D either but supreme tools and young enough that you have to think he'll get there. Still, of the 614 shots Drummond took last year, 598 (96%) were within four feet of the basket. I'm of the school that you get a talent like that next to Cuz and find a way to make it work but the reality is that I think Drummond will follow a Dwight Howard type career arc and thus everybody playing with him will need to space the floor. Which means if he played with Cuz you'd either have DMC primarily shooting jumpers or Drummond moved to the high post where he has yet to show any effectiveness or even potential. Still, on the defensive side he's probably the best fit in the league as a center who could allow Boogie to slide to the 4.

Tyson Chandler is close to ideal but doesn't really have the bulk to defend physical guys inside.

Hibbert is the defensive anchor but is soft on the boards, disappears for stretches and leaves you with two guys who can't guard athletic bigs and a front court that is going to be plodding and slow in transition.

Marc Gasol is an interesting fit and Boogie is more versatile than Z-Bo so it could certainly work. Kind of a modern day Webb and Vlade but of course Gasol isn't exactly an athletic shot blocker.

Late career David Robinson would probably be ideal. Sure he lacks a killer instinct which is why he was willing to step back and make room for Duncan and he's not a Charles Oakley personality but maybe he'd have help calm DMC. Who knows? But there's only been one David Robinson in the history of the NBA.

Looking at the Bad Boys era Pistons Lambier could draw defenses with his jumper and was a mix it up man defender but not a defensive anchor or shot blocker. John Salley filled that role but (1) wasn't an elite defensive player or shot blocker and (2) wasn't much bigger than Moreland.

I often think one of the Davis boys from Indiana would have been nice fits. Dale was bigger and stronger and a better rebounder while Antonio was quicker and more athletic. Neither came into the league much bigger than Moreland (Antonio Davis was smaller actually) but both clearly hit the weight room. Still, neither guy was a real defensive anchor or shot blocker per se. More of enforcer/rebounder types, especially Dale who was the only one big enough to really guard centers.

If you get rid of the requirement that the guy be a full grown center and force Cuz to man the 5 spot and guard opposing centers then you start looking at long athletic shot blockers. This is where your Larry Nance (who came in Nerlens Noel sized), Marcus Camby, Larry Sanders, John Henson and Anthony Davis players come in. And as I've shown previously, Moreland is coming in at the same size as all of those guys.

My point (if I have one) is that it's hard even considering the entire history of the NBA to find a perfect front court mate for DeMarcus. I suppose in an perfect situation you'd have a guy like Drummond with a guy like Adriean Payne off the bench. And the Kings could have drafted both guys.

But since they didn't, you keep DMC at the pivot and hope Moreland can be a poor man's Larry Sanders.

No they are rarely both. When they are they are MVP. In fact I can't think of one big in the NBA right now that is dominant offensively and an anchor on defense
 
No they are rarely both. When they are they are MVP. In fact I can't think of one big in the NBA right now that is dominant offensively and an anchor on defense

In today's NBA I'd agree. Duncan is currently the last of that breed though Dwight might (wrongly) argue that. But when you think of the star centers of yesteryear (Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Mourning, Olojuwon, etc) they were forces on both ends. Even Bynum seemed to be headed they way.

Star centers have traditionally been the focal point of the offense and defense. And yes they are rare enough that they often are MVPs.

Rarer still to be the MVP level center that isn't a defensive anchor.
 
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No they are rarely both. When they are they are MVP. In fact I can't think of one big in the NBA right now that is dominant offensively and an anchor on defense

Dwight, and as far as a complete offensive game, not just scoring, MG and Noah can be in there too with their elite passing ability. Like Dwight or not, guy is still 18 PPG on a 60% TS. There just aren't many bigs who are capable of doing that.

But as far as ideal shotblocker, you basically want to clone Serge Ibaka. Athletic, elite rim protector, can defend out on the perimeter, elite jump-shooter, excellent in the PnR, doesn't need shots to contribute. Unfortunately for us, there aren't many clones of Serge Ibaka's game out there.
 
He does not have to possess any other talent other than shot blocking, we have every other talent in a big man in Cousins the big next to Cousins just needs to be a energetic fly swatter who can clean up on the occasional miss.
 
Dwight, and as far as a complete offensive game, not just scoring, MG and Noah can be in there too with their elite passing ability. Like Dwight or not, guy is still 18 PPG on a 60% TS. There just aren't many bigs who are capable of doing that.

None of the above are remotely dominant offensive centers. People have just forgotten what those guys look like, and started to anoint roleplayers and back benchers with those titles everytime one pops up who can tie his shoes. Dwight is mechanical, it doesn't flow. He never truly dominated offensively, but now he's half a step up from a roleplayer. He can score in the post, but its almost a gift Houston lets him do a few times a game to keep him happy rather than a legitimate weapon.

Gasol and Noah are roleplayers, nothing more. Handy, but they aren't even as good offensively as our own centers, Vlade and Brad, from back in the day. And at the time we still remembered truly great offensive centers well enough to know that Vlade and Brad weren't them.

But of course that's all beside the point because we already have maybe the first great offensive center to come along in a decade. So we don't need any of that from a shotblocker. We need an Ibaka figure. PJ Brown with more shotblocking. Block some shots, be able to handle your own man defensively most of the time, and have a little jumper if the ball is kicked to you. The more rebounds, the merrier, but even there we can cover for some weakness. Even that short list gets awfully thin in a hurry, so realistically, the jumper thing you probably let go. Cuz kept on scoring even with Reggie Evans next to him.
 
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thought this might be handy for this topic:

http://thechilltime.com/look-back-2014s-best-nba-rim-protectors/

Boogie actually improved so much last year that he ended up right in the middle there, and a slight tic ahead of Marc Gasol. Its no surprise that so many of the popular names we reference are off to the right (better) -- Ibaka, Gibson, Hibbert etc. etc.

Yea, good map. Had a buddy link that to me. Good to see Cousins slightly ahead of all the wussies. And for the most part, the names you expect to be at the top and bottom are there. Good indicator that it's a good visual. Only a few names like Pierce and Bargs being too high and Varejao being too low stand out.

A name I REALLY like on there is Amir Johnson. Does a lot of things well, good defensive player who knows how to rotate, extremely efficient on the offensive end, doesn't need shots, good rebounder and can create a little bit. After signing that 5/30 deal that everyone bashed, basically been the same above average defensive role player since then. He's just rock solid consistentcy. Contract is up after this year, and he's a good name that's realistic enough for us.
 
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Thanks, funkykingston, for. That tour through the present and historic candidate and the qualities that are most desire able. How do JT, Evans, Moreland, new guy Or, JWill ad Acy stage up bird-in-the-hand style?

Jason Thompson isn't a shotblocker. He'll get one or two blocks every couple games but it's not his forte. What he HAS turned himself into is a pretty respectable one on one defender, especially in the post. He seems to hate that role, but then JT also seems to think he's a upper tier big man who just isn't in the right situation. Which is unfortunate because he could really be a valuable third big if he was dedicated to the notion of rebounding, setting picks and getting after the other team's best big man defensively.

Evans isn't a shotblocker or really a great defender. He's a scrapper, he rebounds well and he'll do the little things to help you but he's just not big enough or talented enough to give you much else, especially offensively. And given his age, he's likely not in the Kings longterm plans either.

Moreland absolutely could be a long, athletic shotblocker for the Kings. If signed I think he'll play a Keon Clark like role for a while as a shotblocker/rebounder off the bench. Every team needs a great scorer off the bench. Every team could also use a defensive energizer who can help change the tone of a game. Moreland could possibly do that. And down the road (if his summer league play translates and he continues to develop) he could be much more. Possibly a long term starter next to Cuz. But that's putting the cart way before the horse. First he needs to be signed.

When you say JWill I am assuming that's DWill as in Derrick Williams. He's not a shotblocker or even a PF really. He's a tweener that really should play SF. And at times he looks good there but is just far too inconsistent to give major minutes to. He's also likely not with the Kings after next season, and I expect him to be traded before the deadline.

Acy is not a shotblocker either. He's a hustle guy who isn't really all that effective as a rebounder or defender. But given his new shooting touch he can possibly stretch the floor as a PF or even play backup SF where he'd actually have good size instead of being a bit undersized.

In short, if we're looking for a shotblocker to put next to Boogie, our current roster featuring five power forwards (don't forget Landry) doesn't have a single one. Which is why I think we have to lock up Moreland. He provides a skill that our team currently lacks.
 
Jason Thompson isn't a shotblocker. He'll get one or two blocks every couple games but it's not his forte. What he HAS turned himself into is a pretty respectable one on one defender, especially in the post. He seems to hate that role, but then JT also seems to think he's a upper tier big man who just isn't in the right situation. Which is unfortunate because he could really be a valuable third big if he was dedicated to the notion of rebounding, setting picks and getting after the other team's best big man defensively.

Evans isn't a shotblocker or really a great defender. He's a scrapper, he rebounds well and he'll do the little things to help you but he's just not big enough or talented enough to give you much else, especially offensively. And given his age, he's likely not in the Kings longterm plans either.

Moreland absolutely could be a long, athletic shotblocker for the Kings. If signed I think he'll play a Keon Clark like role for a while as a shotblocker/rebounder off the bench. Every team needs a great scorer off the bench. Every team could also use a defensive energizer who can help change the tone of a game. Moreland could possibly do that. And down the road (if his summer league play translates and he continues to develop) he could be much more. Possibly a long term starter next to Cuz. But that's putting the cart way before the horse. First he needs to be signed.

When you say JWill I am assuming that's DWill as in Derrick Williams. He's not a shotblocker or even a PF really. He's a tweener that really should play SF. And at times he looks good there but is just far too inconsistent to give major minutes to. He's also likely not with the Kings after next season, and I expect him to be traded before the deadline.

Acy is not a shotblocker either. He's a hustle guy who isn't really all that effective as a rebounder or defender. But given his new shooting touch he can possibly stretch the floor as a PF or even play backup SF where he'd actually have good size instead of being a bit undersized.

In short, if we're looking for a shotblocker to put next to Boogie, our current roster featuring five power forwards (don't forget Landry) doesn't have a single one. Which is why I think we have to lock up Moreland. He provides a skill that our team currently lacks.

Thanks again. Interesting rundown. And I did forget Landry in my list. Now that I think of it, I also missed Bhullar. It's easy to say he is just too raw and heavy to even compete now for a slot in this year's team and it would be true I
MO. I wonder, though, how easy it will be for Ranadive to give up on him considering his marketing value as an Indian connection.
 
Thanks again. Interesting rundown. And I did forget Landry in my list. Now that I think of it, I also missed Bhullar. It's easy to say he is just too raw and heavy to even compete now for a slot in this year's team and it would be true I
MO. I wonder, though, how easy it will be for Ranadive to give up on him considering his marketing value as an Indian connection.

I know Bhullar represents good marketing potential for Vivek and I have zero issue with him heading to Reno to get in shape and see what he can do once he drops 40-50 lbs. But he shouldn't be anywhere near the active roster. That'd be an insult to fans and unfair to Sim quite honestly.
 
I know Bhullar represents good marketing potential for Vivek and I have zero issue with him heading to Reno to get in shape and see what he can do once he drops 40-50 lbs. But he shouldn't be anywhere near the active roster. That'd be an insult to fans and unfair to Sim quite honestly.
Agree, but to do that he has to take up a valuable slot on our 15 ? man roster when we coul place Morelnd, Brooks, Jarred, etc. somebody will have to go if we keep Bhullar. Always tough decisions. But let's wait to see if we get rid of more than we keep in trades.
 
Agree, but to do that he has to take up a valuable slot on our 15 ? man roster when we coul place Morelnd, Brooks, Jarred, etc. somebody will have to go if we keep Bhullar. Always tough decisions. But let's wait to see if we get rid of more than we keep in trades.

No, we could always sign him to the Reno squad (doesn't protect him from being swiped by another team and put on their active roster) like we did with Trent Lockett last season.
 
No, we could always sign him to the Reno squad (doesn't protect him from being swiped by another team and put on their active roster) like we did with Trent Lockett last season.

Exactly. Bhullar is so far from being able to help a team that I think the Kings could send him to Reno and see if he becomes a potentially useful end of the bench guy or not without fear of any team looking to sign him. My only fear is that Vivek sees enough marketing potential in him to force PDA to put him on the active roster to make sure no one else takes him. That would be a bad move. And if it precludes the Kings from signing Moreland it would be an utterly indefensible move IMO.
 
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