What seed/how many wins next season? (merged)

[hammystyle]

All right... seriously which of the guys 7-15 is not a scrub? And, what would you define as a scrub - maybe it is a difference in interpretation about what constitues a scrub?

edit: I want to clarify - I'm optimistic too... for an entertaining season where we play tough on the home court. But I think we're on the outside looking in playoff wise. What team can shed it's second or third best player and improve?

and... I don't hate the guys I'm calling scrubs. I'll root my head off for them. I love Francisco and think every team would love to have a guy like him... but not 8 of them.

If you looked up "scrub" in the dictionary you'd see Jason Hart's picture (also see Vitaly Potapenko). I wouldn't call Francisco, Salmons, or even Douby a scrub yet though. They'll have ups and downs, but I expect them to play some good basketball this year.

Where will the Kings seed? Anywhere from 4-10. I think they'll end up 6 or 7, but the West is still really tough and we do have a lot of questions. People are really getting caught up in the roster, but we're bring in a new coach too. I like Muss, but we don't know yet.

 

[Sac.Kings]

We NEED a defensive big man who can rebound to get anywhere near the 4th seed. We could miss the playoffs this year, would not be surprised (then again, the Nets made it into the 2nd round without a lot of rebounding).

 

[Jerryaki]

BUT given the middling squad the Kings have baring a trade for a serious bigman to start and/or some exceptionl emergence from the rookies probably the WORST thing that could happen is for them to make the play offs. That would jsut perpetuate the scramble under the cap to try to stay a top 8 team in the confrence that will give us season after season of early exits. If the team has to throw away a season for future improvment THIS would be the one. New coach, a couple expiring contracts allowing for at least one decent FA aquisation next season and high pick then come back next year with the best of the rookies from this year, some new tallent and a coach who KNOWS what his team is doing.

this is perfect! the exact mentality i am going into next season with; avoids the heartache and gives some hope. enjoy the wins, learn from the losses, DO NOT make the playoffs just to get beat again. keep the top talents, become a real free agency player, and hopefully draft someone who can make an impact.

i like!

 

[Sac.Kings]

the 07-08 offseason could be a lot of fun. Get some good free agents. Only problem is everyone gets a year older...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I'd say 6-8 at this point is the most realistic.

agreed

 

[TheJoker]

The Lakers are making the playoffs guys lets not kid ourselfs the Kings will probably end up in the 7th spot and i will be just fine with that assumeing what we have to work with currently with this roster.

 

[LPKingsFan]

As of now 6 or 7. But there's a lot of questions, and it remains to be seen how our returning players will improve/worsen under Muss. It'll be a roller coaster, as they always seem to be.

 

[Kings113]

The Lakers are making the playoffs guys lets not kid ourselfs the Kings will probably end up in the 7th spot and i will be just fine with that assumeing what we have to work with currently with this roster.

Yeah, that's a possibility with the roster, but not a good one. You have to look at the other side of the roster situation and off-season. 2-3 months left, and trades and signings discussed much already.

 

[TheJoker]

Well, thats why i mentioned assumeing what we have to work with we could always end up making a trade but it depends what kind of trade we need to do a huge trade if we expect to jump-**** to fight for the 4th or 5th seed.

 

[uolj]

We had 44 wins last year and that was only good enough for 8th seed. 45-48 is too little IMO for 5th or 6th seed. We could have somewhere around 50-54 wins if we play good and start better than last year.

I checked before I posted to make sure it made sense. Last season the 5th best record in the West was 47 wins and the sixth was 45. I don't expect things to change that much.

 

[Gary]

It's a bit too early to ask this, but based on what our team looks like now I will say anywhere between 8th and 10th.

Probally going to look like this...

1. Dallas (1st SW) 60-63 wins
2. Phoenix (1st Pac) 55-59 wins
3. Utah (1st NW) 44-47 wins They will win the division but be close to .500
4. San Antonio (2nd SW) 59-62 wins
5. NO/OK (3rd SW) 48-53 wins
6. LA Clippers (2nd SW) 45-50 wins
7. Memphis (4th SW) 45-50 wins
8. Denver/LA Lakers/Sacramento will all be fighting for the last spot and be +/- .500 by a couple games.

I still think we are a couple years away from contending. This year looks to be a transition year. We will be getting rid of a couple contracts hopefully at the end of the year barring a trade, and don't be suprised if we trade KT, and a couple other in order to get some more cap space for next year. KT and a core player maybe in order to sweeten the deal a bit.

 

[Jerryaki]

san antonio should be thirs on that list then. =)

 

[KevinSalvadori]

It's a bit too early to ask this, but based on what our team looks like now I will say anywhere between 8th and 10th.

Probally going to look like this...

1. Dallas (1st SW) 60-63 wins
2. Phoenix (1st Pac) 55-59 wins
3. Utah (1st NW) 44-47 wins They will win the division but be close to .500
4. San Antonio (2nd SW) 59-62 wins
5. NO/OK (3rd SW) 48-53 wins
6. LA Clippers (2nd SW) 45-50 wins
7. Memphis (4th SW) 45-50 wins
8. Denver/LA Lakers/Sacramento will all be fighting for the last spot and be +/- .500 by a couple games.

I still think we are a couple years away from contending. This year looks to be a transition year. We will be getting rid of a couple contracts hopefully at the end of the year barring a trade, and don't be suprised if we trade KT, and a couple other in order to get some more cap space for next year. KT and a core player maybe in order to sweeten the deal a bit.

I'd go:

1. Dallas
2. Phoenix
3. San Antonio
4. New Orleans (division is pants)
5. Clippers
6. Utah
7. Denver
8. Memphis/LAL/Sac? (as of now)

 

[KevinSalvadori]

Sorry, that "pants" comment goes next to Utah.

 

[walker60]

As of now, we only have 1 hole on the entire roster, backup C. If we get that filled, I don't see why we can't get a 4-seed, especially they way were playing after we got Ron. San Antonio, Dallas, and Phoenix are the top 3. After that, it's a crapshoot. I would be disapointed with a 7/8 seed.

 

[Jerryaki]

^ well, the NW winner needs to be among 1-4. so 5th is the best we could do, barring major meltdowns in phoenix and clipperland.

 

[Bricklayer]

As of now, we only have 1 hole on the entire roster, backup C. If we get that filled, I don't see why we can't get a 4-seed, especially they way were playing after we got Ron. San Antonio, Dallas, and Phoenix are the top 3. After that, it's a crapshoot. I would be disapointed with a 7/8 seed.

Merely patching holes with midlevel guys doesn't make us any more dangerous if the core itself is not up to snuff.

As an aside, remember, we can't get #4 unless we end up with a better record than the Mavs/Spurs. The three division winners and best non-division winner automatically get #1-#4. That leaves everybody else playing on the road in Rnd 1.

 

[walker60]

^ well, the NW winner needs to be among 1-4. so 5th is the best we could do, barring major meltdowns in phoenix and clipperland.

That's right. A 5-seed then. We lost Bonzi, but we got Salmons (a versatile PG) and Douby (a great shooter). Add a backup C, which we desperatley need, and I think we will get a 5-seed. Depending on Amare's health, I think we can give Phoenix more of a challenge than people think.

 

[SacKings384]

A 5-seed and we still need to beat out the Clippers, Memphis, and depending on how strong they come out the Lakers... That's pretty tough...

 

[Jerryaki]

but the clips are largely unchanged, so they will still pose a big challenge (especially if sam i am makes another mvp outta tim thomas too).

 

[walker60]

A 5-seed and we still need to beat out the Clippers, Memphis, and depending on how strong they come out the Lakers... That's pretty tough...

I know, but I think we can do it. All the Clips have done is replaced a soft, sweet shooting forward tweener with another (Thomas for Radmonovic). There's not really much improvement there.

Memphis had a good draft, but how much can those rookies really help out in year 1? Plus, they lost Battier as well.

The Lakers added a good shooter, and a rookie PG. They struggled last year and should only be marginally improved.

If we had Ron for the whole season last year, we would have put up a better record than those teams. We finished 5 behind Memphis, 3 behind the Clips, and 1 behind the Lakers. And that was with our crappy half-season w/o Ron. With a full season of Ron, we can finish better than all of those teams next year IMO. If we could add a decent backup C, I don't see why we can't do it.

 

[Kings113]

A 5-seed and we still need to beat out the Clippers, Memphis, and depending on how strong they come out the Lakers... That's pretty tough...

Grizzlies right now, aren't making the playoffs.

As a regular follower of them over the last couple seasons... They still need to get some more scoring and need to improve the front-court with 1 or 2 more bigs. Big Jake will get regular time and should be able to devleop more as an interior presence, like he showed in the 2nd half last season. Gasol isn't a defensive player or banger, outside of blocked shots, and is a solid rebounder. Stromile Swift, who is an athletic energetic shotblocker, can board a bit, but isn't a good one, not quite an interior presence, and isn't much of a post-defender. Lawerence Roberts, has a reputation as a banger and rebounder at 6'8"/6'9", but he hasn't got significant time yet in the NBA. That's it in the front-court.

For scoring they have an older Eddie Jones, who is still a very solid two-way player, but not quite as good anymore. Damon Stoudamire - who has to stay healthy, Gasol, Mike Miller. Rudy Gay - has to prove it, I think he'll be fine though, and my boy Lowry who's a very good slasher, play-maker, and defender, has a questionable jumper. Dahntay Jones, who I also really like, just has never gotten the consistent minutes or oppurtunities, with the deep teams and large rotations the Grizzlies have had since he's got there. Maybe this season he can get some good minutes with Battier and Bobby Jackson gone. Think he has potential to be a solid two-way player, he's shown he's a nice slasher and athlete, has a decent mid-jumper, good defender, rebounder, and can handle the ball.

Obviously like us, they still have time to get stuff done, and ways to do it.

 

[Amanjoy]

It's impossible for the Mavs and Spurs to finish 1,2 becuause they play in the same division. However I agree they're still the 2 best teams in the west and the Suns are a close 3rd. The Kings aren't too far behind, but with the screwy 3 division race now, the seedings are all messed up! I heard rumors that Stern was thinking of changing it though...enlighten me please if that's true. If the seeding stays the same, this is an idea of what I think will be the playoff standings for '06-07.


1. Mavs (Too talented, too deep for rest of the WC. Mavs edge Spurs for division and #1 spot)
2. Suns (Amare back help Suns edge Kings for division)
3. Nuggets (only decent team in their division)
4. Spurs (Spurs barely miss division to Mavs, and face a younger and hungrier Kings team that the year before).
5. Kings (Artest leads Kings back to glory with a 50-win season and playoff appearance)
6. Clippers (Cassell returns and leads another successful playoff push)
7. Hornets (pickup of Peja and BJax w/ CP3 push them into postseason)
8. Lakers (Kobe does just enough for them to scrape by Houston and Memphis)

Bubble teams that might sneak in: Memphis (as long as Pau is there they've got a shot), Utah (young talent with AK47 and Williams could push them over the top), Houston(Can't count them out if TMac and Yao are healthy), Minnesota (Foye looks to show some promise, and Garnett and Davis are still there, so they'll have a shot as well).

 

[Kings113]

If Amare's near back, or is back to his old self, then they'll likely beat us for the divsion unless Nash goes down 1 or 2 times. If Amare's not what he was, it's wide open. Regardless of Nash.

 

[T[MaC]]

Well, it's obvious. Salmons takes us to the championship with 4 ppg and everone lives happily ever after.

 

[Jerryaki]

It's impossible for the Mavs and Spurs to finish 1,2 becuause they play in the same division.

not after next year.

 

[SacTownKid]

It's going to be a tight race in the west.

 

[Folsom Al]

7th or 8th ... I'll even predict 43 wins

 

[sdballer]

Merely patching holes with midlevel guys doesn't make us any more dangerous if the core itself is not up to snuff.

As an aside, remember, we can't get #4 unless we end up with a better record than the Mavs/Spurs. The three division winners and best non-division winner automatically get #1-#4. That leaves everybody else playing on the road in Rnd 1.

On top of that, the other problem is that it's less about the positions as holes but rather the "roles" we are missing.

A consistent outside shooting presence off the bench, interior defense, rebounding, problems with perimeter d, and missing intagibles that most championship teams have. I think we've worked on some of these but not enough to truly challenge for a top spot in the west.

 

[Yoda]

Greg Oden...23 wins