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Douby pick has nothing to do with Bonzi... plain and simple.
What is your first reaction to the selection of Douby in regards to Bonzi?
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Padrino
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indeed
and that's the thing. bonzi dictates where he goes. he's a FA. he may not want to put up with byron scott's public tongue-lashings of his players. NO is also a young team, and bonzi has, on at least one occasion, expressed that he would prefer to play for a title contender. are the kings a title contender? no, not really. but if bonzi believes in the potential of this team, he may be interested in staying. he also may be interested in a S & T, because most teams with available cap room to sign him outright are not title contenders. so, i agree that we have a better chance of S & T bonzi wells than most people would think. i also believe we have a shot at retaining his services, which is my own personal preference.
nbrans
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Ok, so let's say the Kings want to S&T Bonzi for S&T Nene, let's also say both at 5 years @ 9 million. This is complicated, because Nene would become a Base Year Player. Since Nene would receive more than a 20% raise on his $3 million contract, his BYC number would be $4.5 million (the greater of half his first year salary or his old salary).
So I think this would work:
Kings send:
Bonzi Wells to Denver (5 years @ $9 million)
Kenny Thomas to Atlanta (4 years @ $6.7 million)
Outgoing salary: $15.7 million
Kings incoming:
Nene (5 years @ $9 million)
Najera (2 years @ $4.5 million)
Incoming salary: $13.5 million
Denver sends:
Nene (BYC @ $4.5 million)
Najera (2 years @ $4.5 million)
Outgoing salary: $9 million (actually $13.5 million)
Denver incoming:
Bonzi Wells (5 years @ $9 million)
Incoming salary: $9 million
Atlanta gets KT for free, Kings get Nene for Bonzi & KT, Denver gets Bonzi for Nene and Najera. Kind of steep for the Kings, but they get KT's contracts off the books.
An alternative would be to send Corliss and some other compensation to a third team, or for Denver to send Najera to a third team w/compensation.
So I think this would work:
Kings send:
Bonzi Wells to Denver (5 years @ $9 million)
Kenny Thomas to Atlanta (4 years @ $6.7 million)
Outgoing salary: $15.7 million
Kings incoming:
Nene (5 years @ $9 million)
Najera (2 years @ $4.5 million)
Incoming salary: $13.5 million
Denver sends:
Nene (BYC @ $4.5 million)
Najera (2 years @ $4.5 million)
Outgoing salary: $9 million (actually $13.5 million)
Denver incoming:
Bonzi Wells (5 years @ $9 million)
Incoming salary: $9 million
Atlanta gets KT for free, Kings get Nene for Bonzi & KT, Denver gets Bonzi for Nene and Najera. Kind of steep for the Kings, but they get KT's contracts off the books.
An alternative would be to send Corliss and some other compensation to a third team, or for Denver to send Najera to a third team w/compensation.
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Yeah, can go either way on the Hornets...
ParniValjak
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I have that feeling as well. Maloofs have tightened their purses in the last few seasons and have tried to avoid luxury tax. I am yet to be convinced that they would all of a sudden be willing to fork out extra millions.
Whether that means that Bonzi is back or not, I am not sure. We could get Bonzi back but dump some other salaries to stay under the cap.
ParniValjak
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Well I did read in one of the Denver papers that Karl was quoted as saying they will have a serious look at Bonzi.
I would preferably like to keep Bonzi but if he were to walk, I would be pretty happy with Bonzi for Nene deal.
That's intriguing about Karl, but Denver wouldn't get him for the MLE with their team full of questions and holes. So would have to do a Nene S/T deal, and I'd be all into that. Would need to get some kind of vet. swingman to replace Bonzi's experience is all, while Martin starts.
HighFlyingMonkey
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I remember Najera from the Kings/Dallas series a few years ago, but what's Nene like? Is he a tough big that could cover for BM's soft defense?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No, and that's the question there. Nene is, or was, a hot prospect, but it wasn't until his third year (he missed all last year, his fourth) that he finally even became a respectable reboudner and shotblocker. If he can return at that same level he is now good enough in those areas, but he is NOT a defensive or rebounding anchor. And so while I'd be happy enough to see him as part of our frontcourt (he's a big physical post player with a surprising skill level wiht the ball), if you pair Nene (average rebounder/shotblocker hopefully) with either SAR or Miller (weak reboiunders/shotblcokers), you are still soft, and still need a defensive anchor. Now get me Nene and also trade away for a defensive stalwart to pair him with and you have....well, pretty much what Denver hopes to do with Nene and Camby. Big, long complete frontcourt.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Note: And here would be exactly the sort of pairing I was just talking about.
walker60
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Good idea nbrans! Miller and some sort of combination of players for Chandler. Bonzi and some sort of combo for Nene. We would have an extremely quick team with almost everyone on the roster being able to play multiple positions. Everyone would be young too.
We could get Chandler for Miller, I think. All that rumor and talk through out the season and back in April/May. Chicago will need some offense in the front-court with Thomas there (he has a jumper, but don't know how much of one) as well as a veteran. As Chandler is like a bigger version of Ty Thomas. Brad would be a great compliment to Tyrus Thomas.
Just for fun:
Bibby/Douby or someone/Price-Hart
Martin/Douby/Buckner (gotta have another veteran wing with Bonzi gone)
Artest/Garcia/Buckner
Nene/SAR/Corliss or undraftee
Chandler/Potapenko (?, would rather get someone better, but wouldn't mind him still here)
KT gone for a PG? Or a back-up C and PG?... he'd be gone anyways.
Just for fun:
Bibby/Douby or someone/Price-Hart
Martin/Douby/Buckner (gotta have another veteran wing with Bonzi gone)
Artest/Garcia/Buckner
Nene/SAR/Corliss or undraftee
Chandler/Potapenko (?, would rather get someone better, but wouldn't mind him still here)
KT gone for a PG? Or a back-up C and PG?... he'd be gone anyways.
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Now thats an idea i like. And its a pretty realistic idea too.
nbrans
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I think KT would need to be shipped to a third team in a Nene deal, and the Kings still have the MLE. So...
Bibby/Douby/Hart
Martin/Garcia/Douby
Artest/Garcia/Buckner
Nene/SAR/Corliss
Chandler/Nazr (signed w/MLE)/Potapenko
Yeah on KT, and that's good too. Wonder if Nazr is willing to be a back-up though. I'm not sure on that, hopefully. 
That'd be a sick frontcourt. Post-game, athleticism, defense, shotblocking, rebounding all over the place.
Send this to Petrie. We need more than just a shotblocker behind Brad, like I hope he doesn't think, and would assume he doesn't.
That'd be a sick frontcourt. Post-game, athleticism, defense, shotblocking, rebounding all over the place.
Send this to Petrie. We need more than just a shotblocker behind Brad, like I hope he doesn't think, and would assume he doesn't.
ForlornKing
Starter
My reaction was why didn't Stern say Marcus.
