What is your first reaction to the selection of Douby in regards to Bonzi?
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The two really don't have to be related.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
yeah, my first reaction was no reaction. Two seperate things.
The two are completely different things. IMO it has no effect on Bonzi re-signing or not because letting Bonzi go just because you drafted a 2 guard with the #19th pick is dumb. You keep Bonzi because it makes you better or you S&T him because it makes you better/more talented. You don't say "well I HAVE to let this guy go because I got somebody playing the same position with the #19th pick!"
walker60
Bench
I think it has a little bit of an effect on the situation merely because Douby is a CG, rather than a pure point, and he is NBA ready. He is more naturally inclined to play SG, but he can play the point. I think Petrie will let Garcia and Douby handle the backup guard spots while Martin starts. I think the move tips the King's hand just a bit. But hey, maybe not....
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I honestly thought at first the front office was going cheap and added him as insurance to backup Martin. Hope this isn't the case and this guy could back up Bibby...he's only listed at 6'2. We already lossed Evans to the Pistons and I don't want to lose Bonzi to them as well.
walker60
Bench
6'3"!
Doubt Bonzi goes to the Pistons - MLE, bencher role, Pistons could not be as good as in the past.
I agree. I don't think the Pistons are a good fit for Bonzi either.
ParniValjak
All-Star
No correlation what so ever. If Bonzi walks then it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Douby
Jerryaki
Starter
agreed, but doesn't anyone else get the feeling that he is insurance in case bonzi does leave?? "i feel like i'm taking crazy pills!!!" (-jacobin mogatu)
if the idea is to have douby be a back-up point, and bonzi does leave, we've just got another hole at the back-up 2. it's harder for me to see him as the 4th PG than as martin's back-up in case Bonzi walks.
if the idea is to have douby be a back-up point, and bonzi does leave, we've just got another hole at the back-up 2. it's harder for me to see him as the 4th PG than as martin's back-up in case Bonzi walks.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Er...?
Can only assume we intend Douby to eb THE backup PG. Hart sucks, and Price hasn't proven anything. Of course whetehr Douby is more than just another Juan dixon has to be seen as well, but I'm assuming he comes in as the most decorated of the bunch and gets top crack at it.
As for OG, if Bonzi leaves then its Martin/Garcia/Douby. Too young for us to matter, but sufficient depth.
Jerryaki
Starter
how was hart able to be sufficient over in charlotte (enough so that petrie traded our 2nd round pick this year) but flounder with us last year? a part of me feels that adelman's system and the way he distributes minutes had a part in it.
maybe musselman will get hart into a flow, since he is a somewhat adequate defensive guard. i'm not sure if douby immediately gets the top spot. he is, after all, a rookie and unproven.
kupman
Starter
I agree completely....it should be the third option on the poll....wait a second!!! - did I just agree with Bricklayer???
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Hart
a) sucked in San Antonio, a pretty good little franchise.
b) was picked up by Charlotte and did the absolutely classic put up ok numbers for a crap team thing
c) then came to us, an erstwhile other pretty good litttle franchise and went right back to sucking
Its got nothing to do with Rick or Pop or system or whatever. Its got to do with Jason being extremely limited on anything but a terrible expansion team with no other options. He has the talent of a 3rd PG/12th man, not a primary backup on a good team.
nbrans
All-Star
I don't think the Douby pick has anything to do with Bonzi. But I'd be very surprised if Bonzi comes back. I think this is going to be Cuttino redux. Petrie will try and use him to get Nene or another big, and failing that Bonzi will sign with another team willing to overpay him. Kings will use the MLE and LLE and stay under the tax level. I seriously don't believe the Maloofs want to pay the luxury tax. I hope I'm wrong.
walker60
Bench
I don't get why we would be too young to seriously compete with Martin, Garcia, and Douby all splitting time at SG. Martin is a budding 3rd year player. Garcia is a second year player who had a solid, albeit not spectacular, rookie year. Douby is a NBA ready rookie who averaged 26 PPG in the best basketball conference in the NCAA. They sound exciting and electrifying to me. Also, we have solid veterans at every other position, I think a little youth is needed. Just because we have one position that is young, doesn't mean we can't compete.
walker60
Bench
I think that is a good point nbras, the luxury tax will probably come in to play in this situation.
EatMoreChicken
G-League
I hope Petrie does move Bonzi for Nene, b/c I doubt I'll see KG in a Kings uni.
Bonzi might not have too many choices in the FA market unless he's willing to take the MLE. Charlotte, NO, Chicago, and Atlanta are the only teams w/ significant cap space. And of those only the Bobcats and Hornets need a SG, but they may not want to commit a ton of cash on a older player w/ a history.
Bonzi might not have too many choices in the FA market unless he's willing to take the MLE. Charlotte, NO, Chicago, and Atlanta are the only teams w/ significant cap space. And of those only the Bobcats and Hornets need a SG, but they may not want to commit a ton of cash on a older player w/ a history.
nbrans
All-Star
Toronto also has cap space. Of those, you can rule out Atlanta, because they're stocked at 2/3, and Charlotte, they're on a youth movement. I'd worry about New Orleans, Toronto and Chicago. All three have holes at the 2 and could use some veteran leadership. If they think Bonzi could provide that, adios Bonzi.
walker60
Bench
I don't think any of those teams will do it because they are all a few years away from contending. By the time they would be ready to compete, Bonzi will be 34, it isn't worth it to them. The Bulls could surprise people and do it, but they would have to move Ben Gordon first I think. Plus, they picked up that European SG in the draft. I don't really see any cap teams going after Bonzi. Playoff teams trying to improve will be looking to get him IMHO.
Raptors have Mo Peterson at the two, and can play the three. Mo's been quite loyal to them and fits into the uptempo style. Plus you have Joey Graham (SF/SG), PJ Tucker (SF), Villanueva (SF) at the swing spots.
I can see Mo Pete possibly moved, but, they'll need some experience on the team as well to the aforementioned things. Plus, they already have a Bonzi-esque player in PJ Tucker. Who is NBA-ready, and Graham will need to get time in his 2nd year. I honestly don't see them moving two of those three guys, maybe any.
Chicago? I think that's lessened now with the Bulls drafting Thabo Sefolosha, and I don't think he'd be staying over seas. Not sure Bonzi's the type of swingman they want, as he's not really a shooter, which they have none of at SG but Benny Gordon.
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nbrans
All-Star
I agree with you guys on Toronto and Chicago. They're looking to play an up-tempo style, and Bonzi doesn't necessarily fit that. Chicago is also unlikely because even with the draft they're still probably looking to sign Pryzbilla or Muhammad.
New Orleans is a possibility, I think our only shot there is that they have a cheap owner. At the same time, any of these three teams could decide Bonzi's the best SG available and overpay even if he's not a perfect fit.
New Orleans is a possibility, I think our only shot there is that they have a cheap owner. At the same time, any of these three teams could decide Bonzi's the best SG available and overpay even if he's not a perfect fit.
Yeah, NO is something to look at... Rasual Butler's an FA, JR Smith is gonna be traded likely, Kirk Snyder is still developing, but showed something in a couple stretches. Desmond Mason will be the likely SF, unless they go get a Rashard Lewis. Linton Johnson's an FA, but likely gone or a bencher.
walker60
Bench
Ya when it comes down to it, I think NO is the only team that may go after him. We'll see though...they have an awfully young team and a couple of their contracts come off the books after next year when they will have even more cap room. I don't think Byron Scott and Bonzi would be the best fit, but they may take a stab at getting him. All in all though, I think we have a really good chance of finding a taker in a S&T.
