What if Petrie drafts a SG?

[KingsCitizen]

I still believe we'll get a top 5 pick. But what if we slip and only have options to draft either Beal, Rivers, or Lamb by BPA? Would you take this pick and trade Thornton or the something else?

My take? Take Beal as SG, move Evans to PG, trade Thornton for a PF. sign a SF Free-agent.

 

[Rookie]

I don't know much about Beal but I don't think I would try to get rid of a proven SG for an unproven one. Unless Beal has the potential to be much much greater than Thornton (not slightly better), I wouldn't do it. Isn't there any other PF/SF we can draft? As for FA...the good one will not come here as long as we have the magoofs as owner.

At some point you have to keep your decent to good players so that the team can developed some form of chemistry. IMO losing JT is more than just losing a decent role player.

I'm one of the few that still like our young core players and thinking a solid SF/PF with good defensive abilities would make this a complete team. Offensively we did made big improvement and I can see we'll be even better next season. Also by adding a solid defensive player at SF/PF and TWill plus moving Evans back in the guard line up would improve our defense tremendously. This team could have a more balance on offense and defense. Again IMO team defense require a stable team with good chemistry to execute. You can't have that if you try to find star at every position.

I also still have hope for Jimmer. One chaotic year for him on a chaotic franchise isn't enough to warrant him a bust.

Basically until we have chemistry, I really don't see the point to continue moving pieces after every year because the guy isn't an all star. I could easily see MT as the energizer bunny for the Kings just as Harden/Manu for their perspective team.

 

[hiero]

simple answer no way. I'm not sold on Beal, especially as being better than Thornton who hes similar to but not as good. I'd take Drummond or barnes

 

[DesertFox]

I don't know much about Beal but I don't think I would try to get rid of a proven SG for an unproven one. Unless Beal has the potential to be much much greater than Thornton (not slightly better), I wouldn't do it. Isn't there any other PF/SF we can draft? As for FA...the good one will not come here as long as we have the magoofs as owner.

At some point you have to keep your decent to good players so that the team can developed some form of chemistry. IMO losing JT is more than just losing a decent role player.

I'm one of the few that still like our young core players and thinking a solid SF/PF with good defensive abilities would make this a complete team. Offensively we did made big improvement and I can see we'll be even better next season. Also by adding a solid defensive player at SF/PF and TWill plus moving Evans back in the guard line up would improve our defense tremendously. This team could have a more balance on offense and defense. Again IMO team defense require a stable team with good chemistry to execute. You can't have that if you try to find star at every position.

I also still have hope for Jimmer. One chaotic year for him on a chaotic franchise isn't enough to warrant him a bust.

Basically until we have chemistry, I really don't see the point to continue moving pieces after every year because the guy isn't an all star. I could easily see MT as the energizer bunny for the Kings just as Harden/Manu for their perspective team.

I will beat the Terrence Jones drum until draft day. He does the things to be a great role player now but at the same time has the athletic ability to be so much more.

 

[Bricklayer]

simple answer no way. I'm not sold on Beal, especially as being better than Thornton who hes similar to but not as good. I'd take Drummond or barnes

I keep thinking this about Beal -- I can just see us duplicating last summer's stupidity, deciding to take Beal because now he's our newest next big thing, and trading Thronton or Reke to make room for him. Same way we traded Beno last summer to make room for Jimmer. i.e. just stupid shiny new toy fascination.

If it comes down to drafting a SG in this draft, we need to trade that pick for a nice veteran player.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Beal is really the only SG I'd be okay with.

 

[bajaden]

I keep thinking this about Beal -- I can just see us duplicating last summer's stupidity, deciding to take Beal because now he's our newest next big thing, and trading Thronton or Reke to make room for him. Same way we traded Beno last summer to make room for Jimmer. i.e. just stupid shiny new toy fascination.

If it comes down to drafting a SG in this draft, we need to trade that pick for a nice veteran player.

Will Beal be better than Thronton? My opinion is yes. He's a little taller, and definitely longer with a huge wingspan. He's also a better athlete, and will be a better defender. That said, I'd rather trade down than add to the mess we already have with a bunch of guys that are 6'6" or shorter. Not to mention there will be other players available. T. Jones, P. Jones (if you really want to take a risk), Henson, Zeller, etc. Rivers doesn't even enter the equation since he'll be drafted somewhere between 14 and 20.

This is all moot anyway since were going to win the lottery and draft Davis. Then I won't have to hear about Drummond anymore. It wasn't that long ago that some folks thought Whiteside was a lottery pick. That Thabeet was the next coming of Mutombo. A bright shinny new car is worthless without an engine.

 

[SacTownKid]

I keep thinking this about Beal -- I can just see us duplicating last summer's stupidity, deciding to take Beal because now he's our newest next big thing, and trading Thronton or Reke to make room for him. Same way we traded Beno last summer to make room for Jimmer. i.e. just stupid shiny new toy fascination.

If it comes down to drafting a SG in this draft, we need to trade that pick for a nice veteran player.

I think there's a bit of a difference in trading Tyreke Evans or Marcus Thornton for clearing minutes than it is trading Beno Udrih for the same reason, at least I really hope they see it that way.

 

[UK_King]

Honestly i just hope we can jump a bit in the lottery. That said i know literally nothing about Beal so i'll let others discuss whether he's worth it.

 

[Kingster]

Will Beal be better than Thronton? My opinion is yes. He's a little taller, and definitely longer with a huge wingspan. He's also a better athlete, and will be a better defender. That said, I'd rather trade down than add to the mess we already have with a bunch of guys that are 6'6" or shorter. Not to mention there will be other players available. T. Jones, P. Jones (if you really want to take a risk), Henson, Zeller, etc. Rivers doesn't even enter the equation since he'll be drafted somewhere between 14 and 20.

This is all moot anyway since were going to win the lottery and draft Davis. Then I won't have to hear about Drummond anymore. It wasn't that long ago that some folks thought Whiteside was a lottery pick. That Thabeet was the next coming of Mutombo. A bright shinny new car is worthless without an engine.

It comes down the fact of whether you think Beal can be a star. If you do, then draft him. If not, then a trade down could work. Thornton is never going to be a star in my mind because he just can't defend. I think the guy tries. I really do. But he just can't get it done. That's part of the reason why we made All-Stars of so many two-guards last year. It's common sense to put Thornton as your sixth man.

 

[Uncia03]

It comes down the fact of whether you think Beal can be a star. If you do, then draft him. If not, then a trade down could work. Thornton is never going to be a star in my mind because he just can't defend. I think the guy tries. I really do. But he just can't get it done. That's part of the reason why we made All-Stars of so many two-guards last year. It's common sense to put Thornton as your sixth man.

It's always interesting to see how people would construct their rosters, if given an available pool of players.
I thought that the Tyreke/Thornton guard combo worked pretty good during the final stretch of games after we picked him up at the trade deadline.
However, I wouldn't have any problems moving him over to be our major 6th man leader.

He's got the tenacity that you love in a player, and he'd have free reign to be the major scorer off the bench, and in theory his defense would improve because he wouldn't be going against the teams best SG scorer. Also, with his big-shot mentality, he'd probably be in at the end of all the games since he's proven effective in those situations.

 

[Prince_XY]

What if Petrie drafts a SG?

Evans, Thornton, and Salmons will all pass as decent SGs for this team. Why the hell would Petrie draft another shooting guard when obviously what we need is another shot-blocking BIG and a SF who can shoot? Is there a projected Jordan or Kobe among the draftees?

I think Petrie needs to see his psychiatrist if he drafts a SG.

 

[Gary]

I still believe we'll get a top 5 pick. But what if we slip and only have options to draft either Beal, Rivers, or Lamb by BPA? Would you take this pick and trade Thornton or the something else?

My take? Take Beal as SG, move Evans to PG, trade Thornton for a PF. sign a SF Free-agent.

We cannot get the 4th pick so it's either 1/2/3/5. MAYBE if we get the 5th pick we could look into something like that but if we have 1-2-3 pick it's either going to be Davis, Robinson or MKG. The Kings would be stupid to draft a SG in the top 3. I think that Lamb or Beal could turn out better than where they are projected, meaning if they are picked 6-9 they could turn out to be one of the top three players in the draft, but we need someone who could play NOW, and MKG, Robinson and Davis are three guys you could plug into our lineup and let them play immediately without other players being bummed that they are losing their starting spot. Since starting this post I changed my mind. If we have the 5th pick we should take Barnes.
1st - Davis 100%
2nd - MKG 50% - Robinson 50%
3rd - MKG 50% - Robinson 50%
5th - Barnes 100%

If we end up 6-7-8 I think We should look at getting Barnes as the first choice if he's still available and then Marshall. THEN we should look at the SGs that are left.. The only way I would consider taking a SG though is if it's between Marshall, Lamb, and Beal and Barnes/MKG/Robinson/Davis are all picked.

I am not interested in Rivers or Lillard (who i think will be an undersized SG).

Not a fan at all of Perry Jones, Drummond, Zeller, Sullinger or Rivers. Have a feeling Drummond will bust, Zeller and Sullinger will be underwhelming, Jones will be one of those tall skinny players who get pushed around by PFs and abused by smaller faster SFs. Rivers COULD do something, but he's not the type of player I like.

 

[baller13]

I want to see what Robinson measures before i would even consider drafting him. I seen a report by chad ford that said many gm's think he is closer to only 6'7. I dont want a 6'7 power forward. If he measures 6'9 or better than i would be all for drafting him but not over Davis or MKG

 

[Gary]

I want to see what Robinson measures before i would even consider drafting him. I seen a report by chad ford that said many gm's think he is closer to only 6'7. I dont want a 6'7 power forward. If he measures 6'9 or better than i would be all for drafting him but not over Davis or MKG

He's already been measured at 6'10 and about 245 I believe with shoes.

 

[baller13]

He's already been measured at 6'10 and about 245 I believe with shoes.

That was at the lebron james camp. I want to see it from a little more reliable source. If he measures that at the combine then i would love to have him.

 

[Gary]

That was at the lebron james camp. I want to see it from a little more reliable source. If he measures that at the combine then i would love to have him.

I got a feeling it will be similar with shoes but I think he wears the bigger shoes. Probably will measure about 6'8 1/2 without.

 

[baller13]

I got a feeling it will be similar with shoes but I think he wears the bigger shoes. Probably will measure about 6'8 1/2 without.

Then that would be fine with me. Never really cared what you measured out of shoes. You wear shoes on the court so thats what i care about.

 

[bajaden]

That was at the lebron james camp. I want to see it from a little more reliable source. If he measures that at the combine then i would love to have him.

The measurements from the Lebron James skills academy have been pretty accurate. They do actually measure the players there! Unless you think they try to cheat intentionally. My guess is that he's around 6'8" or so without shoes.

 

[baller13]

The measurements from the Lebron James skills academy have been pretty accurate. They do actually measure the players there! Unless you think they try to cheat intentionally. My guess is that he's around 6'8" or so without shoes.

I hope he does measure at least 6'9. that would be great. But i dont consider the lebron james camp official. thats why they measure the players again at the combine with every GM watching. Carl landry was listed at 6'9. Surely you dont actually think he is?

 

[Bricklayer]

As I've mentioned before with Thomas Robinson he could be 6'7", 6'8" or 10'6" and the problem would remain that he is just not what you need to put next to Cousins. If he can carry the rebounding over and defend his position at the next level he's not the worst guy you could select, but he'll never be that help defender we need, he doesn't have that faceup jumper that even a guy like Jason has to keep the middle open, and he's another one of those older rookies who may not have the upside to change the script.

Now assuming, and I think its a safe assumption, that if you draft Robinson, who was not even a shotblocker in college (less than 1 a game) you still need to get that interior clogger to go along with he and Cousins, and thus you would have to let JT go and basically replace Jason with Robinson, the question you have to ask is this:

Jason Thompson, as a starting rebounding but non-shotblocking PF for us this year averaged 28.8min 10.0pts (.535FG%) 8.0reb 1.3ast 0.8stl 0.8blk on 7.5FGA a game in 47 starts. How much better a statline in Thomas Robinson going to give you on 7.5 shots a game while having to share minutes with a mysterious shotblocker to be named later? And if you start giving him more shots, who is he taking from? Cousins?

Fact is that the only way a new guy can come in and help us beyond what Jason was helping us without magically stealing even more shots on a team that has absolutely none to go around, is for the new guy to be a major defensive force that can elevate the team while playing without the ball.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I am coming around to Beal.....another guard....again.

 

[Glenn]

As I've mentioned before with Thomas Robinson he could be 6'7", 6'8" or 10'6" and the problem would remain that he is just not what you need to put next to Cousins. If he can carry the rebounding over and defend his position at the next level he's not the worst guy you could select, but he'll never be that help defender we need, he doesn't have that faceup jumper that even a guy like Jason has to keep the middle open, and he's another one of those older rookies who may not have the upside to change the script.

Now assuming, and I think its a safe assumption, that if you draft Robinson, who was not even a shotblocker in college (less than 1 a game) you still need to get that interior clogger to go along with he and Cousins, and thus you would have to let JT go and basically replace Jason with Robinson, the question you have to ask is this:

Jason Thompson, as a starting rebounding but non-shotblocking PF for us this year averaged 28.8min 10.0pts (.535FG%) 8.0reb 1.3ast 0.8stl 0.8blk on 7.5FGA a game in 47 starts. How much better a statline in Thomas Robinson going to give you on 7.5 shots a game while having to share minutes with a mysterious shotblocker to be named later? And if you start giving him more shots, who is he taking from? Cousins?

Fact is that the only way a new guy can come in and help us beyond what Jason was helping us without magically stealing even more shots on a team that has absolutely none to go around, is for the new guy to be a major defensive force that can elevate the team while playing without the ball.

If we have the third pick and Robinson is not ideal next to cCousins, who do you pick? This is assuming MKG and Davis are the first two picks. Now your focus on a shot blocker has me confused. I agree we need a shot blocker but given the above very possible scenario, what do you do?

I know who I would pick with number 1 and that is Davis. MKG would be my pick if we had the 2nd pick.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

If we have the third pick and Robinson is not ideal next to cCousins, who do you pick? This is assuming MKG and Davis are the first two picks. Now your focus on a shot blocker has me confused. I agree we need a shot blocker but given the above very possible scenario, what do you do?

I know who I would pick with number 1 and that is Davis. MKG would be my pick if we had the 2nd pick.

3rd pick you have to go Robinson. BPA find a defensive center later.

 

[roasthawg]

3rd pick you have to go Robinson. BPA find a defensive center later.

Guaranteed. Take the best player for sure, especially when he's a big.

 

[UK_King]

Jay Bilas has Beal at #2 on his mock.

 

[The_Jamal]

I have no problems with taking Beal, a Ray Allen-esq talent, if we have a plan in place to trade Reke and/or Thornton.

 

[Vlade4GM]

As I've mentioned before with Thomas Robinson he could be 6'7", 6'8" or 10'6" and the problem would remain that he is just not what you need to put next to Cousins. If he can carry the rebounding over and defend his position at the next level he's not the worst guy you could select, but he'll never be that help defender we need, he doesn't have that faceup jumper that even a guy like Jason has to keep the middle open, and he's another one of those older rookies who may not have the upside to change the script.

Now assuming, and I think its a safe assumption, that if you draft Robinson, who was not even a shotblocker in college (less than 1 a game) you still need to get that interior clogger to go along with he and Cousins, and thus you would have to let JT go and basically replace Jason with Robinson, the question you have to ask is this:

Jason Thompson, as a starting rebounding but non-shotblocking PF for us this year averaged 28.8min 10.0pts (.535FG%) 8.0reb 1.3ast 0.8stl 0.8blk on 7.5FGA a game in 47 starts. How much better a statline in Thomas Robinson going to give you on 7.5 shots a game while having to share minutes with a mysterious shotblocker to be named later? And if you start giving him more shots, who is he taking from? Cousins?

Fact is that the only way a new guy can come in and help us beyond what Jason was helping us without magically stealing even more shots on a team that has absolutely none to go around, is for the new guy to be a major defensive force that can elevate the team while playing without the ball.

You don't get it brick, this is not a draft that you have the luxury to be picky in. I hate to break it to you, but that's just the reality of the situation. We all wish this draft was loaded and we could just take the best fit since we are kind of desperate right now, but the basketball gods have not smiled on us. I'm starting to like Robinson more and more, the more I think about this draft.

 

[Bricklayer]

You don't get it brick, this is not a draft that you have the luxury to be picky in. I hate to break it to you, but that's just the reality of the situation. We all wish this draft was loaded and we could just take the best fit since we are kind of desperate right now, but the basketball gods have not smiled on us. I'm starting to like Robinson more and more, the more I think about this draft.

That doesn't make any sense. Oh, this draft isn't loaded so we'll just ranomly fit a player who does not fit and will further confuse and screw up our team's development, and his? That's called trade the pick, if you ever get backed into that corner.

 

[DesertFox]

You don't get it brick, this is not a draft that you have the luxury to be picky in. I hate to break it to you, but that's just the reality of the situation. We all wish this draft was loaded and we could just take the best fit since we are kind of desperate right now, but the basketball gods have not smiled on us. I'm starting to like Robinson more and more, the more I think about this draft.

If the BPA is that obvious, then someone else must want him and you trade. I would pick Henson and maybe even T. Jones ahead of Robinson, even if they're projected 5 spots lower. Robinson isn't the elite talent that you fit your roster around.

Now Beal, he might be.