What does Kevin have to do to not get traded?
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I guess what he said, but mainly I need to be convinced that he isn't taking away minutes that wouldn't be more effective going to any combination of Donte, Cisco or Casspi.
91sickness
Bench
Martin needs to understand this is no longer his team and its Tyreke's team. If he accepts his role as second fiddle and is comfortable scoring closer to 20 than 30 every night, I think we will have a great pairing with him and Reke. However, if he goes out there and shoots the ball every time he touches it, looking like is trying to make up for lost time, he will be a goner. By simply, accepting a second fiddle role, playing decent defense and team ball, he will be a fantastic addition to what we have going on.
I think Martin can be (if done right) the perfect guy to play alongside Tryeke. Martin made a name for himself by being an efficient scorer in this league and putting up solid numbers on limited shots. He was able to play behind Bibby AND Artest AND Salmons AND Miller. If he can continue to be that efficient scorer who doesn't need 30 shots a night, him and Reke will straight ball. Oh, and a little defense wont hurt either....
I think Martin can be (if done right) the perfect guy to play alongside Tryeke. Martin made a name for himself by being an efficient scorer in this league and putting up solid numbers on limited shots. He was able to play behind Bibby AND Artest AND Salmons AND Miller. If he can continue to be that efficient scorer who doesn't need 30 shots a night, him and Reke will straight ball. Oh, and a little defense wont hurt either....
hammystyle
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That's right, but its only half the equation. He needs to use those minutes more effectively than those guys AND compliment the team better than what we could get for him.
I think we're gonna need to trade him, but its not because I want to banish him away. I just think there's a 99% chance we can get something more valuable to THIS TEAM for him.
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Well yes, but if I said that first then I'd just be branded a Kevin hater, and I guess we could just trade them instead though it would be a lot harder to get anything good at their salaries. Kev's salary also enters the equation, I know everyone thinks he is a "bargain" but he makes more than that ginormous contract everyone has spent the past 5 years complaining about.
FWIW, I am not a Kevin hater, I just made a very deliberate effort to not get attached to anyone on this team over the last 3 years realizing we were in transition.
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Well, if he just buys a baseball bat and hits Chris Bosh and Al Jefferson in the knee, that would probably keep him from being traded for the time being.
Right now, I think that's probably the complete list of players that are both potentially available and for whom our front office might trade Kevin. Maybe, maybe, maybe Amare. But my guess is that Kevin's with us for a few more years at least, regardless of his performance.
Right now, I think that's probably the complete list of players that are both potentially available and for whom our front office might trade Kevin. Maybe, maybe, maybe Amare. But my guess is that Kevin's with us for a few more years at least, regardless of his performance.
Nighthawk1
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Hmm.. I actually don't think Kevin really thinks he owns the team. I think he tried to take leadership of it, but that failed obviously... Everyone just fed him the ball so much because they knew he could score
TTown Kings
Bench
simple, WIN.
If the team is better with him then without him then he's less likely to be traded. If all of a sudden Tyreke drops off and Donte, Casspi, etc are getting way less minutes and being less effective then we've got a problem.
If the team is better with him then without him then he's less likely to be traded. If all of a sudden Tyreke drops off and Donte, Casspi, etc are getting way less minutes and being less effective then we've got a problem.
SacKings7
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Bingo. You beat me to it
He needs to play his game and do what Petrie brought him here to do. I fully believe he'll do that. People keep forgetting that Petrie never brought Martin here to be a first option or major star. He brought him here because the kid could shoot. The kid can still shoot...and he's developed a knack of getting to the line that is the envy of a lot of other teams.
Kevin only tried to step up and be the leader because that's what he was asked to do. In fact, that was the role thrust upon him.
He can be an effective part of this team. Some of you act as though he's a mini-Kenny Thomas, which he never was and would never become.
Kevin only tried to step up and be the leader because that's what he was asked to do. In fact, that was the role thrust upon him.
He can be an effective part of this team. Some of you act as though he's a mini-Kenny Thomas, which he never was and would never become.
xrzn
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Hans Land says it better in Inglourious Basterds; "That's a bingo!"
Anyways, like TTown said, just win. Win every game. From tomorrow until April. Then he won't get traded.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I listened to the BS report on ESPN with Bill Simmons and Chad Ford today. They both think Martin will be traded before the trade deadline. Bear in mind that its just their opinons. Ford has heard rumors of Martin for Jefferson, which he thinks is a crazy move for Minny, but knowing Khan, he wouldn't be surprised. Simmons agreed with him saying that anytime you trade a good big man for a good small man, you just lost. Both agreed that the last thing the Wolves needed was a high scoring SG that can't play defense. But that it would be entertaining.
By the way, both said that they were shocked how well the Kings were playing. And both said they were wrong about Tyreke. Simmons noted that Danny Ainge told him before the draft that Evans was the second best player in the draft, and that the Celtics had tried to make a trade with the Thunder to move up to the second spot to grab Evans. Suspossedly even Rondo was mentioned in the deal.
By the way, both said that they were shocked how well the Kings were playing. And both said they were wrong about Tyreke. Simmons noted that Danny Ainge told him before the draft that Evans was the second best player in the draft, and that the Celtics had tried to make a trade with the Thunder to move up to the second spot to grab Evans. Suspossedly even Rondo was mentioned in the deal.
Huh.
Though presumably they tried to make a deal with the Grizzlies if they wanted to move up to #2.
Thank you, Hasheem, for being 7'3" and looking like a better player than Rondo!
Sptsjunkie
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Wow. So even Danny Ainge was wrong? He thought Tyreke was the second best player in the draft. Well, we all make mistakes
The second part of your statement doesn't necessarily have to mesh with the first. The team can be better with him and still lose. If the Kings win more games, then the point is moot. But even if they lose some games, if there looks like there will be some good chemistry with Martin and Evans, then I don't see Kevin going anywhere.
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Lafayette
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PLAY DEFENSE AND keep the ball moving. I don't want to see him get traded because that backcourt could be stupid good.
This is what it iz!
With him we have been known to be WAY below .500
Withot him we are closer to .500 but not a win away.
The factor!! Tyreke has broke out to be a possible superstar avergaing 20,5 & 5.
He is coming back to an entirely new system with Havoc being the possible #1 option. We must do better than .500 by the trade deadline otherwise it is apparent that we need help down low.
I'm all for seeing how they do together but the rebuilding process is much more strict than thinking you have a winning team. If this organization thinks Martin is more important than Evans. I will no longer be a Kings fan, thats how much faith I have Martin will leave before Evans.
With him we have been known to be WAY below .500
Withot him we are closer to .500 but not a win away.
The factor!! Tyreke has broke out to be a possible superstar avergaing 20,5 & 5.
He is coming back to an entirely new system with Havoc being the possible #1 option. We must do better than .500 by the trade deadline otherwise it is apparent that we need help down low.
I'm all for seeing how they do together but the rebuilding process is much more strict than thinking you have a winning team. If this organization thinks Martin is more important than Evans. I will no longer be a Kings fan, thats how much faith I have Martin will leave before Evans.
Chupacabra
Starter
The only scenario that would cause Martin to be traded is if the Kings do an about face and start sucking again.
Sptsjunkie
Starter
Grow 5 inches and start protecting the basket.
Even those guys know what Martin should obviously do to avoid getting traded.
I hope Martin's "all-offense and no-defense" sickness does not infect the other guys. If it does get into the heads of other players, then we'll be back to being the cellar dweller and most boring team to watch in the NBA.
mr. moustache
Bench
Play defense, rebound, and make open shots. Basically, I'm asking him to be 2004 Tashaun Prince at the 2 spot. Not really going to happen.
Offensively, I actually think he's a good match, but everything else,...
Offensively, I actually think he's a good match, but everything else,...
bajaden
Hall of Famer
My bad, Hey, Grizzlies, Thunder, their all the same to me.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I found that statement interesting, just in that that has to be a judgment on Kevin himself, because if ANY team in the league needed a Kevin, it would be precisely the Wolves. They have no SGs/SFs at all. Their best is Corey Brewer, who is averaging 12ppg on 40% shooting. The others are Ryan Gomes and Damien Wilkens. They are just about the worst outside shooting team in the league, 3rd from the bottom in 3pt %. So to come on a show and say that the last thing the Wolves need is Kevin, is pretty much saying the last thing anybody needs is Kevin.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well I think the statement was more of an indictment of the Timberwolves defense right now than it was of Kevin Martin. In other words, the Wolves defense is pretty bad so the last thing you need is another player that doesn't play defense. However both agreed the Khan was stupid enough to make the trade because the Wolves need offense.
Their biggest disparity on the possible trade is that Jefferson, in their opinion, is one the top five low post players in the league, is only 25 years old, and that those players are hard to come by. Thus the statement that, when you trade a good big man for a good little man, your on the losing end of the deal.
Its easy to say that, well, they wanted Granger and couldn't get him so thats the standard needed to aquire him. Well take a look around the league and how many young SF/SG's are around that score 25 points a game and are available. Apparently Granger falls into the not available category. According to them there has been no less than five teams inquiring about Martin's availablity. Houston and Dallas being two of them.
Obviously there are some teams that see Martin as the final piece to get over the hump, and some others that see him as a course correction. The Kings are in the drivers seat on this one, or should be. They don't have to trade Martin, so its make me an offer I can't refuse. Its the exact opposite senario of Bosh in Toronto. Everyone knows that Toronto needs to move Bosh, so they're going to low ball them. Especially when there's no guarantee of his resigning.
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