Entity
Hall of Famer
He couldn't....Well he was always........uh...........
uhm
oh yeah.....no that was Musselman...hmmm
don't know.
What day will Reggie be fired?
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He couldn't....Well he was always........uh...........
uhm
oh yeah.....no that was Musselman...hmmm
don't know.
I think a top tier coach is wrong for this team in their present state. With a top tier guy there will be expectations. No top tier coach wants to walk into this situation and watch their reputation sink if they can't turn it around.
We need an established coach that has been around a few times that understands sometimes the job is to come in and right the ship, get the kids developed and get a draft pick and then promptly be replaced when the team is on the verge of greatness.
We need an established coach that has been around a few times that understands sometimes the job is to come in and right the ship, get the kids developed and get a draft pick and then promptly be replaced when the team is on the verge of greatness.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
The Warriors have lost 9 straight and have same exact same record as the Kings (blown out by 35 tonight in San Antonio). Yet, NO ONE, ZERO, in the Bay Area is calling for Nellies head - at least from my observation. I follow the W's quite a bit and listen to a lot of Sports radio over there when traveling to Solano County, and other parts of East Bay where I have some biz. The usual complaints are about not having Monte, gotten rid of Baron, trying to develop chemistry with all the new players, Magettee, Crawford, etc. It might change, but so far Golden State fans seem in a daze or just exceedingly patient.
If you're ready to laugh, here goes:
Reggie should not be fired. I can give you several reasons why Reggie should not be fired:
1. This team is not going to compete for the playoffs this year. There is no available coach out there so good that they will turn us around. Change for change's sake is not particularly useful.
2. We are paying Reggie through the end of the year whether we fire him or not. May as well get his butt on the bench if we're paying him.
3. What we need most to turn this team around is a good, high draft pick. Reggie is well on his way to getting us one.
4. To my eyes, Reggie is doing a decent job of balancing time between the kids and the vets. If we hire somebody else, they'll feel (not surprisingly!!!) MORE pressure to win lest they too get canned. That will translate to MORE time for Salmons and Miller and Jackson and LESS time for Thompson and Greene and Brown as the new coach tries to win more than Reggie did.
5. The players appear to be very supportive of Reggie. In contrast to the fans, some of whom have hopes of high draft picks, players NEVER want to lose. A season like ours can be discouraging. In the middle of a discouraging season, I'd rather have our players LIKE their coach. At least that's something.
There. Five reasons not to fire Reggie. I'm not saying he's a great coach, I'm not saying he's a bad coach. Shoot, I don't even know how to tell, especially given the roster he has to work with. I'm just saying that there doesn't seem to be a lot of upside to firing him to me - aside from placating the voices who are upset with the Kings' record. Not a good enough reason for me.
tradepeja
Starter
Haha. Wow. That's funnier than the Alonzo gif.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
ROFLOL! Hey, Entity, let's not get carried away. I'll agree with a "let's say something nice about Reggie." Well, he is a beautiful dresser. But, saying something about why he should not be fired is just going over the line, don't ya think?
GameBall
Bench
Because Musselman was going to help us play better defense...Oh wait.
Yeah, I was one who wanted Adelman gone at the time. Maybe with all the fat veteran contracts on our roster the Maloofs should have fired Petrie instead.
Entity
Hall of Famer
ROFLOL! Hey, Entity, let's not get carried away. I'll agree with a "let's say something nice about Reggie." Well, he is a beautiful dresser. But, saying something about why he should not be fired is just going over the line, don't ya think?
I was opening that door for you to start the thread. Its your concept and after all you are the goodwill ambassador for this forum.
GameBall
Bench
Oh BTW that Renaldo Balkman guy who looked great tonight was picked by the Knicks in 2006 right AFTER we picked Doubyous.
GameBall
Bench
ROFLOL! Hey, Entity, let's not get carried away. I'll agree with a "let's say something nice about Reggie." Well, he is a beautiful dresser. But, saying something about why he should not be fired is just going over the line, don't ya think?
Joe Nolan of the 49ers was a great dresser too. He and Theus look great in those suits. Too bad they're empty suits. I'll take back Adelman's fugly turtlenecks if we can start winning again.
Jechtsphere
Starter
Warriors fans hate Nellie and have been calling for his head since the season started.
He plays their young guys a lot less.
We aren't looking for a coach to turn us around midseason. We're looking for a coach that won't cause us to leap en masse off the Tower Bridge.
With this logic, we shouldn't even be having this discussion because Eric Musselman would still be our coach.
Not really. We also need to develop the skills of the draft picks we have from this year and last year. And we need to see some kind of proof that there's a plan to all this.
If you're making that comment based on looking at the box score, you're really drawing erroneous conclusions. It's not just the minutes; it's the bizarre rotations, the inappropriate timeouts or lack thereof, and more that doesn't show up in the stat lines.
I don't care if the players like the coach or hate his guts. Two players were quoted for that latest article in the Bee and they really couldn't say much else than what was printed. I'd rather have our players RESPECT our coach than like him.
It's NOT about the team record. It's about talking the talk but not walking the walk. It's about a lot more, but I think you get my drift. You really need to find a way to see tonight's game to see just how bad it really was. Rip your heart out and stomp it into the ground bad...
GameBall
Bench
Uh, no he's not doing a good job of balancing time btwn the kids and vets. This may be why hiring Whisenant at least for the rest of the season may make sense. Unlike Reggie Theus or his logical interim replacement, Chuck Person, Whiz has no aspirations of being an NBA head coach long term, so he won't be looking over his shoulder for wins and losses. He is a good friend of the Maloofs so he will be more likely to follow the Maloofs lead in developing the kids. I actually would be okay with Whiz for the rest of this season only so the clear directive would be to develop the kids, trade away the vets for expiring contracts, draft picks, and more kids, and go for a big name coach in 2009.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Why?! Because the players come out and publicly say they are behind him and want to play for him?!
Thats a kiss of death if ever there was one. Once players come out standing up for their coach, thats a sign that there IS problems there and that in fact they DON'T want to play for them
Who can forget players rocking up to a press conference to show that they are behind Muss.
When a player comes out declaring love for their coach, thats a sign that the coach already has one foot out the door.
This was a ****house hiring from the start. Lets hope we don't make another Theus/Musselman mistake.
See, I've already reached the zen-like state of acceptance about this year. We're going to lose, and sometimes lose ugly. I just don't feel the need to take a short drop into the Long Pond over it. Acceptance feels good. I do hope you can overcome your frustrations.
I don't think the situations are exactly equivalent. Coming into Muss's year, we actually thought our team could compete. We still had Bibby and Artest along with Miller (who had his worst season during Muss's tenure if I recall) and an emerging Kevin and Garcia. Add Salmons and Douby as a rookie (back when we hoped he could play PG) and everything but our frontline was very solid. Musselman disappointed big time. But Reggie's not really expected to compete this year (nor was he last year, even though we still had Bibby and Artest at the beginning).
So in one case you have a coach with two years left on a three-year contract who took a team that expected to at least make the playoffs to mid-30s in wins. In the other case you've got a coach with 3/4 of a year left on a two-year contract who is losing with a team expected to lose. The latter is easier to forgive.
I don't have a lot of complaints about the development of Hawes, who is starting for the time being. He's looking good out there. Greene is pretty raw. We all knew that, and it's going to be probably the '10-'11 season before we really see what we have in him. 10-15 minutes a game is more than I could ask for for Greene right now, and he seems to be getting that as often as not. Thompson...well I think he's got a lot of learning to do as well. But it's not like he hasn't gotten his minutes in the early going. 15-20 minutes a game seems fine for him right now. Maybe that's just me. Sure, I'd like to see the kids play 30+ minutes, but I don't think that's realistic, Reggie or no.
I mentioned elsewhere that I didn't get a chance to see tonight's game. It's on my DVR, so I'll check it out tomorrow night. Tonight's box is all I've got to go on, and I recognize that we were hit hard in the first and it looks like the game was in concession territory by about the mid-third. That would definitely affect some of the minutes, though.
I care if the players hate the coach. The last thing I want is for the kids here to have the attitude toward our coach (whoever it may be) that the recent Mavericks had toward Avery Johnson. If several players hate the coach enough to demand a trade, something is wrong. Even if it's not wholly the coach's fault, that's a BAD situation. Until this team is ready to compete for a playoff spot, I want warm fuzzies in the locker room. I want our kids to WANT to stick around, so that the bright future we envision might actually come to pass. If that's better accomplished with a coach they like than with a coach they respect, I can live with that -- for now. I want our players to respect our coach when we're contenders. By that time, I doubt Reggie will be the coach anyhow.
As I said, it's on the DVR (at least, it should be!) Given my basic stand (we're not winning anyway, we're free to find another coach at the end of the year, etc.) I find it hard to believe that one game could change my opinion. But I'll give it a try!
Let's take a team in a losing situation, like us.
If players come out and publicly say they don't like the coach, that would mean they don't like the coach.
If players come out and publicly say they like the coach, that means they don't like the coach.
If players don't say anything, they're clearly not willing to stand up for their coach.
Let's take the hypothesis that the players actually DO like the coach. What behavior would you expect them to exhibit?
I have no expectations this year. It's very liberating.
GameBall
Bench
I actually felt optimistic after hearing the players standing up for the coach. I was thinking that maybe, just maybe the players would step up and come together and not let the coach down. Several Nene and Balkman dunks, and many bad passes and shots later, my optimism went crashing down like a Nene dunk.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Action my friend! Actions! Not words because they mean sweet **** all!
The actions tell you a lot about whether or not players like and respect their coach. They go our every night and give it everything they have, regardless of whether they are good enough to win or not.
Players will come out and NEVER stop trying if they love their coach and want to play for him. Even in the 30 point losses they will come out working their backside off.
What we are seeing at the moment is players that have NO interest in playing for their coach. Players that have no interest if busting their boiler for their coach. Players that are going through the motions. That is a sign of discontent. That is a sign of frictional relationship between the coach and the playing group.
Players don't have to like their coach but they have to respect him. If you are going to be a hardass and yank players for every mistake they make then you better have way to win them back and Theus just doesn't.
The great coaches like Riley, Sloan, Popovich et al can yank their players but they also know how to win them back and they know that the player will bleed out on the floor for them. What I see with the Kings is players that don't give a flying **** about their coach and no amount of "feel good" words and articles will make me see otherwise because actions speak louder than words. Always have, always will!
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I think they would have to wait to see the performance of the team when Garcia and Martin are 100%. Neither one is close to that. Tonight, even by Miller standards, was a Miller aberration. He was obviously ill, but Theus played him anyway. Now you could make an argument that that's as good a reason as any for firing Theus tomorrow, but I doubt it. I think they'll wait til January to reasses.
If Theus gets fired, I don't blame him. He's a two-year small college coach. He wanted a shot at the bigtime. Who could blame him? And who could blame him for failing with such minimal experience on a team with minimally experienced talent? If Theus does get fired, the Maloofs deserve all the blame.
If Theus gets fired, I don't blame him. He's a two-year small college coach. He wanted a shot at the bigtime. Who could blame him? And who could blame him for failing with such minimal experience on a team with minimally experienced talent? If Theus does get fired, the Maloofs deserve all the blame.
Aenadin
Starter
LEAVE REGGIE THEUS ALONE!! cant you see hes going through a tough time!! your all a bunch of animals!!!(chris crocker style any one)
seriously he needs to go.....
i was one of his optimistic supporters before but with the bizzaro roster changes and poor performance i say we get some one who actually KNOWS what he is doing...
we have a list of the ff
Doug Collins
Flip Saunders
Avery Johnson
i say get one of these guys have him groom a successor.... or what ever
Bobby eventually wants to coach, and he was pissed off tonight. Fire Theus and give the job to a guy who is there already. Hand the role to Bobby as a player/coach. Make it VERY clear to him that he will not have the job next year and he is to develop the youngsters and give the team some dignity. The fans will accept it because they LOVE Booby J. He's on the floor already, so he knows what's going on and what needs to change. In exchange, he gets experience to put on his resume for a future career.
He might not still have the shot and the abilities he once had, but he's still got his energy, heart, and love for the Kings!
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Have another beer!
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I personally don't give a damm whether the players like or dislike Reggie, and he shouldn't care either. What he needs is their respect. I think thats part of Reggie's problem. Do you think every player on the Jazz likes Sloan? I'll guarantee you one thing, they respect him.
A reporter asked a Spurs player why everyone respected Pop's so much. He said because he treats everyone exactly the same. He plays no favorites.
Reggie finally had everyone back and healthy. He had three days of practice to get ready. If practice makes perfect, then I would like to know what they were practicing for, because it certainly wasn't basketball. Denver looked like a chainsaw, and the Kings looked like a peice of wood.
I think that for that particular post I went a bit Socratic and everybody missed my point. I probably should have been more direct. Another poster had used players' recent public support of Reggie as evidence that they did not support Reggie. This is a very severe case of twisting the data to fit the interpretation, and that's what I was getting at.
I'm not quite sure how to tell the difference between players "liking" and "respecting" Reggie anyhow. I haven't seen last night's game yet, but they must have all been giving him the bird behind his back during timeouts because there was a sea change of opinion on this board between the starting tip and the end of the game.
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