What could we do to get better?

BMiller52

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I see this team play and lose some close games and then we win a close game and I have to wonder if we just had that extra little something to get over the hump, we'd have one of the best records in the NBA right now. I know it's a young team and they're playing really good for a young team, but it'd be nice if we could get wins like vs the Nuggets more often. I don't mean I'd want to give up any of our young players, and obviously we have to wait till Kevin comes back until we see our cieling for this year, but what would be wrong with parlaying a vet like Noc or an expiring like K-9 and our pick or something for a guy who could really get us a few more wins. We're really close, and with the luxury tax and all these teams stuck we have an opportunity to really get a player probably on the cheap. I'm not even saying it'd have to be a big move, maybe it's just something like Noc for Brendan Haywood or another big man or something like that, but what could we do to get over the hump? AGAIN, I really like the potential of this team and nobody expected us to do this well this early. But I can't help but feel like we could do a little better.

As far as assets we could deal, how about Noc? We have so many wing players, especially when Kev and Cisco come back, we could ship him to a contender that needs a 3 point shooter and a defender. If we could get a big man or something. When Kevin and Cisco make it back, we'll have Casspi, Greene, Kevin, Cisco, Noc, and Udoka. All of those guys can play and not all of them are going to get to play. Kevin is a big minute player, he's going to take a lot of those minutes, Casspi/Greene are already starter quality and have turned out to be really important for us. Cisco won't have much trade value coming off his injury, he won't have enough time to showcase himself or anything. Or how about that first round pick? We have so much young talent with JT, Spencer, Tyreke, Greene, Casspi, Brockman, that we don't really have minutes to develop another rookie, or time to wait around on another rookie, and it's probably going to be between 10-15 anyway. Eventually you got to start consolidating your talent, or condensing it, and get another pretty good player. Or how about if we can get something for KT's expiring? With the emergence of Brockman KT isn't seeing as many minutes anymore anyway. There's a lot of teams in need of salary relief waiting to deal good players for cheap, just because a guy who makes the same as Kenny next season would cost them 14 mill vs Kenny's 7. His expiring is pretty valuable, and even though I like how he's mentored the young guys, it'd probably be a waste not to use it to cash in for another piece.

What do you all think?:)
 
Not making the playoffs this year is no big deal. What you want is to be is ready to play for the playoffs next year.

My Do's and Dont's

DO:

Get an athletic, defensive big man who can finish inside.
Trade excess swingmen
Get a "game balancer/passer' to put next to Tyreke
Keep young

DON'T:
Trade away bench for older players
Invest highly in old all-star
Short-change greater potential future for quick fixes to get low seed playoff spots

All the don't are pretty much the same thing, but its worth repeating them to a franchise that has made those mistakes over and over.
 
I wanna get as low a draft pick as possible. I agree with you on preparing to win next year, but I don't want to risk winning a few more games as you said, missing the playoffs, and missing a very good pick because of it
 
Not making the playoffs this year is no big deal. What you want is to be is ready to play for the playoffs next year.

My Do's and Dont's

DO:

Get an athletic, defensive big man who can finish inside.
Trade excess swingmen
Get a "game balancer/passer' to put next to Tyreke
Keep young

DON'T:
Trade away bench for older players
Invest highly in old all-star
Short-change greater potential future for quick fixes to get low seed playoff spots

All the don't are pretty much the same thing, but its worth repeating them to a franchise that has made those mistakes over and over.
DO:
Wait and see if we have an extraordinary back court pair in Martin and Reke.
 
The biggest hole that this team currently has is interior defense. Address this issue and the kings get significantly better.
 
If K9 and Noc are valuable trading peices this year we should trade them for peices that we need which could make us a better team. Why wait til the end of the season or next year?

 
If K9 and Noc are valuable trading peices this year we should trade them for peices that we need which could make us a better team. Why wait til the end of the season or next year?


It takes two to tango. Petrie has to have someone willing to pick up the phone on the other end and talk to him to make a deal.
 
Interior defense. Just that simple. For the moment were fine everywhere else. Most deficiences in the other positions will be solved for the most part by experience.

Here's the problem. Its easy to say interior defense, but does anyone want to tell me how to fix it. Pleas start making a list of all the players in the NBA that will solve our problem. The majority fall into two catagories. Too old, or untouchable. That leaves only a few available. This is a problem that won't be solved short term in the draft. I watch a lot of college basketball and I can't give you one player right now that can come in and play on a regular basis. I may change that opinion by the end of the college season, but thats my opinion right now.

Which brings me back to Okafor. I would love to aquire him. And truthfully I don't even know if he's available. Hey, I'm open to suggestions..
 
Well what are the chances of that happening?

I don't think that's a question that can be answered with any kind of certainty unless you start getting into the specifics, and some of that is stuff we simply do not know. Petrie has a plan, a vision he's working towards.

I'm pretty sure KT and Nocioni are expendable. He is not going to move them, however, unless it helps us. And there's the rub. A number of GMs are already a little leery of dealing with Petrie. And a lot of GMs are playing things very close to the vest right now, partially because of the economy and partially because there are a lot of teams trying to find a way to get better without expending "large" amounts of cash (in NBA terms) or trading away the baby with the bath water.

You said, "we should trade them for pieces that we need which could make us a better team." That's rather like saying water is wet, isn't it? All the teams out there, with the possible exception of the Clippers, make deals to make themselves better. It's a great goal. The problem is in finding a way to do it - unless, of course, your name is Mitch Kupchak. (And yes, that part is sour grapes over the Gasol miracle trade.)

:)
 
I don't think that's a question that can be answered with any kind of certainty unless you start getting into the specifics, and some of that is stuff we simply do not know. Petrie has a plan, a vision he's working towards.

I'm pretty sure KT and Nocioni are expendable. He is not going to move them, however, unless it helps us. And there's the rub. A number of GMs are already a little leery of dealing with Petrie. And a lot of GMs are playing things very close to the vest right now, partially because of the economy and partially because there are a lot of teams trying to find a way to get better without expending "large" amounts of cash (in NBA terms) or trading away the baby with the bath water.

You said, "we should trade them for pieces that we need which could make us a better team." That's rather like saying water is wet, isn't it? All the teams out there, with the possible exception of the Clippers, make deals to make themselves better. It's a great goal. The problem is in finding a way to do it - unless, of course, your name is Mitch Kupchak. (And yes, that part is sour grapes over the Gasol miracle trade.)

:)

There you go with the damm logic again. Party pooper!:D
 
I disagree that barely making the playoffs is pointless. It's better for the team now and in the future. With Martin coming back and Cisco a bit later, this team is probably going to be above the 11th pick anyway. The chance at a top 3 lottery pick is very unlikely.

Why you want to make the playoffs:

1. Experience for the team in the post season. This has more value than fans give credit. It's a different style of play and pressure. There is no substitute.

2. No lose situation. You end up playing the Lakers in round one and come out fighting. You might take a few games to push them and then build on that this summer.

3. Attention grabber for free agents. A free agent sees that a team is already playoff material and he might see him as that guy to take the team to the next level. The next level moves up if you are already a playoff team. Not so much appeal to take a lottery team to the playoffs.

4. This franchise needs to make the playoffs to take the buzz around the team to the next level. Playoff time at Arco and nobody will give a rip if they have the 12th pick or the 16th.

And lastly, I don't think with Petrie it will be a make or break situation with the pick to be 12 or 16. He finds good players anywhere. The next big thing for the team is not going to be the guy they pick. It will be a free agent signing or trade.
 
I keep reminding people that GP traded Artest to the Rockets.

What did we get?

Bobby Jackson

Donte Greene

and a 1st rounder this year who turned out to be Omri Casspi.

I think Petrie will pull the trigger if he finds a good enough deal, and not until then.
 
Not making the playoffs this year is no big deal. What you want is to be is ready to play for the playoffs next year.

My Do's and Dont's

DO:

Get an athletic, defensive big man who can finish inside.
Trade excess swingmen
Get a "game balancer/passer' to put next to Tyreke
Keep young

DON'T:
Trade away bench for older players
Invest highly in old all-star
Short-change greater potential future for quick fixes to get low seed playoff spots

All the don't are pretty much the same thing, but its worth repeating them to a franchise that has made those mistakes over and over.


See I don't understand why we can't make the DO'S part happen rather than the don'ts if we make a trade this year? That was the whole point of this thread, what can we do to make this team better without shooting ourselves in the foot.
 
Like everyone said.. Interior D..

We possibly could have four decent trading pieces.. KT, Martin, Beno, and K9. I am sure Petrie could pull something with those four.
 
yeah, interior defense and low post scoring would do wonders for this team. though i doubt that petrie would make that move no matter how obvious it may seem to us.

trade thomas for okafor and martin for jefferson... then bam... a playoff team that will be able to compete with anyone.
 
do. bring back the princeton offense back to its full capacity... the team on the offensive end moves better when we run the ball to spencer sometimes i have seen open lay ups... and the bigs of the other team being drawn out there at the top of the key.

have jt practice his layups. and dunks inside. he needs to be more confident with his jumper too.

device good screen and shot plays for beno. and casspi, thats what made peja and bibby deadly in our glory years.

pointguards like reke and beno need to watch clips of their game and be always aware where their team mates are when they drive and dish, most of the time they are forced to take a bad shot, or have it stripped from them. i wouldnt mind beno teaching reke his spin, fake then shoot at the baseline he fooled fisher so many times :D

dont pass the ball to noc EVER. he drives in reckless abandon sometimes i hold my breath everytime he drives in for a layup. i like the agressiveness but sometimes its just reckless.

again casspi watch a few clips of peja when he roams the 3 point area.. and how he fakes the defender off his shoes. other than that dont watch him on defense cut the video and move on to christie for defense. :P

team defense needs to improve, ive seen us give away open threes that luckily never go in.

lastly

have sean may watch a few clips of mateen waving his towel..
 
You can't run the Princeton if you want to take advantage of Evans' talents.

thats the problem in this situation...there are times the offense is crisp on the princeton but evans is seldom involved in it.. we need to run a little bit of both then
 
thats the problem in this situation...there are times the offense is crisp on the princeton but evans is seldom involved in it.. we need to run a little bit of both then

I guess, but ultimately this team's identity is going to be centered around Evans and if Evans can't be apart of the Princeton then the Princeton really shouldn't be apart of the Kings.
 
i noticed when the kings get out on the break after a rebound.. evans will get the green light to take it all the way to the hole.
 
Whatever they do it better not be affiliated with mediocrity. No mediocre FA pickup, no mediocre trade. I'd rather for them do nothing and hold their cards until they can make a killing than fritter away their capital on pin money acquisitions.
 
Acquire Andrew Bynum. He's exactly what the Kings lack.

Ha! I'm glad the Kings lack Andrew Bynum, he's exactly the player that the Kings need to lack.

He's a frustrating, unmotivated, overrated, whiny prima-donna. He'd be bad for chemistry, he's horribly inconsistent, and after having watched him play for a couple of years I'm not convinced he'll end up being a worthy improvement over Spencer Hawes. Andrew Bynum is exactly the type of player that needs to stay away from our promising young team.
 
Ha! I'm glad the Kings lack Andrew Bynum, he's exactly the player that the Kings need to lack.

He's a frustrating, unmotivated, overrated, whiny prima-donna. He'd be bad for chemistry, he's horribly inconsistent, and after having watched him play for a couple of years I'm not convinced he'll end up being a worthy improvement over Spencer Hawes. Andrew Bynum is exactly the type of player that needs to stay away from our promising young team.

It wouldn't hurt to have another promising young big on our promising young team. Bynum definitely has shown he can be inconsistent and unmotivated. However, you have to remember that he came into the league when he was 18, so he's still very young. If anything would scare me away from him, its his injuries these past few seasons
 
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