Westphal handshake agreement?

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Long before Eddie Jordan was signing with Philly for a three-year guaranteed deal worth $2 million, $3 million and $3.1 million, Westphal's camp was agreeing to handshake terms of a deal that fell more in line with what Kings co-owners Joe and Gavin Maloof preferred. According to two sources with knowledge of the situation, Westphal's price tag will be $1.5 million per season.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/022693.html
 
Dime Dropper

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I don't know alot about him so I will give him a fair shot (if this is true).

He was a very good player, let's hope he can transfer some of that to coaching. It's not easy to come into a situation like this. He should be judged on his ability to handle the young guys and his ability to make them play hard, rather than the wins column.
 
ParniValjak

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He is by far the most qualified coach that we have interviewed and really it would be dumb to hire anyone else of the interviewees.

He has a great records, has gone to the finals and his personality seems to mesh well with GP's. Many will say he had a great team, he is a retread etc.. but anyone who goes as far into the play offs as him has a great team and majority of coaches in the NBA have been a retread at some point in time. Adelman was one when we got him and he is the best thing that has ever happened to this franchise from coaching perspective.

Westphal at least has runs on the boards and if he comes cheap (which appears likely) then its the best possible, realistic hire that we can hope for at this point.
 
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I'd still like to see an interview of Mo Cheeks I don't know where he is but let's give him a look. Just a look I didn't say give him the job so calm down for those of you who don't think he's a good coach.
 
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dj3ptspecialist44 said:
I'd still like to see an interview of Mo Cheeks I don't know where he is but let's give him a look. Just a look I didn't say give him the job so calm down for those of you who don't think he's a good coach.
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Oh damm! NO! PLEASE, not MO! OH, I missed the calm down part. Well it was good practice.:p
 
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Wow. I had really hoped the team would learn their lesson and pick up Thibodeau this time. He will be a good head coach whenever a team gives him the shot he deserves.
 
macadocious

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Apparently there were somethings that happened in Seattle that he has kept mum on. Some have speculated since he won't talk about it, that is why he has not gotten another head coaching gig.

I thought he was a good coach in Phoenix. Where we are now with this franchise I think this is a good pick and if he does well after a couple years we keep him, if not it was a cheap long term interim, who probably won't do more harm than good.
 
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Dime Dropper said:
I don't know alot about him so I will give him a fair shot (if this is true).

He was a very good player, let's hope he can transfer some of that to coaching. It's not easy to come into a situation like this. He should be judged on his ability to handle the young guys and his ability to make them play hard, rather than the wins column.
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I think alot of people are forgetting that Westphal was an assistant for the Suns for several years and was a key part to their rise to greatness in the early 90's. At that point he was given the Suns head coaching job where he helped the team achieve what I believe was a franchise record number of wins at 62 as well as a Finals appearance...(where he lost to Jordan's Bulls...but who didn't back then?) His next two seasons with the Suns they won 56 and 59 games. In his 4th season he was fired after a 14 and 19 season. He then took a job with a mediocre Sonics where he went 25-25 in his first season and went 45-37 in his second season. He was fired in his third season as coach of the Sonics after a 6-9 start (which honestly doesn't warrant a firing in my opinion). He was replaced by Nate McMillan which didn't make the Sonics any better until his final season with them in 04-05 where they suddenly became a good team. The point I'm trying to make with this is that Westphal has been all over the board... he's been a good player, he's been an assistant coach on a average team as they rose to greatness, he's coached a great team, he's made it to the finals. He isn't some rookie coach that alot of people seem to be assuming he is...he has alot of experience and has been mostly successful. I consider him a much better candidate than alot of those other names being thrown out there.
 
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Showtime said:
Wow. I had really hoped the team would learn their lesson and pick up Thibodeau this time. He will be a good head coach whenever a team gives him the shot he deserves.
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Why do you assume that? He's only been a NBA scout and a Assistant coach. He's hailed as being some defensive genius because of teams like the 2000 Knicks and the Celtics... the truth is that those two teams had very good defensive players like Marcus Camby and Kevin Garnett. The other team he was an assistant for was the Spurs who were a very bad defensive team until guess who came aboard... David Robinson. I think coaches take way too much credit for the success of their teams especially these days when we see coaches like Avery Johsnon and Mike Brown winning coach of the year awards. Certain coaches like Rick Adelman and Jerry Sloan are exceptions becuase they are truly good coaches. I'd like to see Phil Jacksons "zen" bull**** work on the Kings...
 
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The similarities between the 98 Rick Adelman and the 09 Paul Westphal are uncanny.

Both VERY successful HC in their first main gig. Had a HORRIBLE run with their 2nd gig.

Get hired by the Kings their 3rd gig and raise them out of the depths of NBA purgatory.

Okay so I took the liberty of extrapolating some of Westphal's accomplishments on that last 'prediction'.
 
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Showtime said:
Wow. I had really hoped the team would learn their lesson and pick up Thibodeau this time. He will be a good head coach whenever a team gives him the shot he deserves.
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Amick's announced who he likes for the job, and who he doesn't, but the interviews are continuing. I'm sure the front office will let us know when the search is really over.
 
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Kings Faithful said:
Why do you assume that? He's only been a NBA scout and a Assistant coach.
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Because other coaches he's worked with say that very thing.

He's hailed as being some defensive genius because of teams like the 2000 Knicks and the Celtics... the truth is that those two teams had very good defensive players like Marcus Camby and Kevin Garnett.
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Single good defensive players don't make an entire team play great TEAM defense. Did Camby make the Nuggets a great defensive team? How about the Clippers? Thibodeau has been able to get teams to play good team defense.

I think coaches take way too much credit for the success of their teams especially these days when we see coaches like Avery Johsnon and Mike Brown winning coach of the year awards.
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COTY awards are totally a seperate issue. Look, players and coaches he's worked with give him a lot of credit for getting teams to buy into defense. Ray Allen, Rondo, Pierce, etc all really stepped up their defensive games when KG and Thibodeau arrived. Before, they weren't known as good defenders. And this season, with KG only playing 57 games, Boston had the second best defensive rating, and were tied with Cleveland for the best opp FG% allowed.

Any top defensive team has great individual defenders, but a great individual defender doesn't make an entire team become a great defensive team. It would be different if he only had success with one team, but he's consistently coached top defensive teams.
 
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Kings Faithful

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Showtime said:
Because other coaches he's worked with say that very thing.



Single good defensive players don't make an entire team play great TEAM defense. Did Camby make the Nuggets a great defensive team? How about the Clippers? Thibodeau has been able to get teams to play good team defense.



COTY awards are totally a seperate issue. Look, players and coaches he's worked with give him a lot of credit for getting teams to buy into defense. Ray Allen, Rondo, Pierce, etc all really stepped up their defensive games when KG and Thibodeau arrived. Before, they weren't known as good defenders. And this season, with KG only playing 57 games, Boston had the second best defensive rating, and were tied with Cleveland for the best opp FG% allowed.

Any top defensive team has great individual defenders, but a great individual defender doesn't make an entire team become a great defensive team. It would be different if he only had success with one team, but he's consistently coached top defensive teams.
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You made some good points... but it doesn't take away the fact he has no experience as a head coach or raising young players to their potential. That doesn't mean I wouldn't give him a chance though, all the great head coaches were rookies at some point right? Still, I don't think who we hire will matter much as long as the players don't hate him and we don't give up on them the second he loses a game... I'm pretty sure we will see a major improvement in two years regardless of who is standing on that sideline... and whoever it is will be once again overrated for being some great coach for helping the Kings rise from the ashes instead of the credit going to the maturity of Thompson, Hawes, and .... Ricky Rubio! :D
 
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paul westfall
paul westphail
paul westphault

all this we can call him if he flops

but i doubt he will.

if he was our head coach. id like ettore as our assistant to show him the ropes in the nba..
 
barndoggie

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I like Westphal i hope the kings get him the seattle thing wasn't his fault when have cry baby vin baker and never shuts up glove payton on your team you are doomed to fail. i think he will be able to guide and mold the young players
 
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Westphal hasn't coached in about a decade--the last time he's been a great coach was in the early '90s with those Phoenix teams--Barkley, Ainge, Kevin Johnson and Majerle were all there, so he was already on a team with a lot of very successful vets. Between his downtime in the NBA and the youth we have stocked on our team, I just don't think he's the right coach--I actually heard from another site I saw that Rambis was a frontrunner as well, and while I wouldn't want to pick him either, at least he's a current assistant coach for a championship team.
 
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Arby's Roast Beef said:
Westphal hasn't coached in about a decade--the last time he's been a great coach was in the early '90s with those Phoenix teams--Barkley, Ainge, Kevin Johnson and Majerle were all there, so he was already on a team with a lot of very successful vets. Between his downtime in the NBA and the youth we have stocked on our team, I just don't think he's the right coach--I actually heard from another site I saw that Rambis was a frontrunner as well, and while I wouldn't want to pick him either, at least he's a current assistant coach for a championship team.
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i have a feeling if fakers win the championship phils gonna to retire and rambis will try to get out of the deal if we hire him
 
Krunker

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Arby's Roast Beef said:
Westphal hasn't coached in about a decade--the last time he's been a great coach was in the early '90s with those Phoenix teams--Barkley, Ainge, Kevin Johnson and Majerle were all there, so he was already on a team with a lot of very successful vets.
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Westphal coached Pepperdine until he was fired in 2006 and was an assistant with the Mavs. I agree with you though, he has basically only had success when he had great players (both in the NBA and Pepperdine) so I don't think he's our guy. If it's coming down to Westphal, Thibodeau, and Rambis, I guess I go with Thibodeau as kind of an unknown...
 
rainmaker

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I would rather have JVG, but if he isn't interested in the job, Westphal will do just fine. I like him a hell of a lot more than Eddie Jordan. Westphals career record is impressive, and he is a great teacher of the game, but we would need a top assisstant to come in and teach some defense.
 
Vlade4GM

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Only thing I know about him is from when he was a broadcaster on Laker/Clipper post game shows. He played more of the cynical commentator. Other than that, don't know much about him.
 
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rainmaker said:
I would rather have JVG, but if he isn't interested in the job, Westphal will do just fine. I like him a hell of a lot more than Eddie Jordan. Westphals career record is impressive, and he is a great teacher of the game, but we would need a top assisstant to come in and teach some defense.
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After all the gushing that JVG did for the Fakers in the WCF, I don't like him anywhere near the Kings.
 
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