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sloter
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What are you trying to say ? All that I was saying was that Chauncey Billups is more important to them than Webber. How is that hatred of any sort ? And I'm really sick of any sort of comment that I throw out being attributed to me as "hating Webber". I've given props to him many times, but you only focus on me criticizing him when unrealistic and biased fans here praise him as some sort of deity.
In fact, I am pretty sure that I have given more props to Webber than you, Slim and Bricklayer have together given to Pedja. But oh well, that's your problem.
I must be missing something.the Pistons needed a "savior?" Someone else want to fill me in?
BTW, if we hold on to win this game, we'll be undefeated (9-0) when Webber scores 10+ points.
I could care less about Webber's statline, BTW. His passing is making everyone else pass the ball more. His presence alone makes us better.
BTW, if we hold on to win this game, we'll be undefeated (9-0) when Webber scores 10+ points.
I could care less about Webber's statline, BTW. His passing is making everyone else pass the ball more. His presence alone makes us better.
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And that's the whole thing in a nutshell, isn't it? To you it's still about Webber v. Peja.
Earth to sloter: Most of us moved on a long time ago. If you still think there's a problem, I suggest you look in the mirror.
Peace...
There's a hidden subtext here, Kstat, that only long-time Kingsfans.com posters would understand. Don't let it bother you...
I envy you. I miss his attitude, I miss his enthusiasm, and I miss his warrior spirit. And I really miss the ability he has of making those around him better...
We had a shot. It was over when he collapsed in Dallas. I hope he can finally get the jewelry and if it can't be here I sincerely hope it can be in Detroit.
sloter
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No, it is not. I don't really care about either of them.
I am just pointing out the magnitude of your hypocricy when you call me out for "hating". Please don't address me like that in the future.
sloter
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No, it was over when he was chucking all those jumpshots and yapping that it was his team while smoking pot (with his warrior attitude, I assume) and officially over when Vlade left the team and the whole team chemistry fell apart.
I rest my case...
love_them_kings
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hehehe. sorry, the humor of a Detroit fan reading on a Kings board that HIS team needs a savior is just flat out funny!
Seriously, Kstat, VF21 is right, the savior comment has nothing to do with how good Detroit is, and everything to do with differing opinions of Cwebb that go back a loooong time.Don't worry. Most of us are happy Webb is performing well in Detroit, and most of us recognize that Webb's true impact on a team can't be measured in a statline.
love_them_kings
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And here I thought it was when he started running over little old ladies on their way to church....
love_them_kings
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WORD!! This is one of those moments I wish I knew how to add the fancy emoticons like the clapping out loud!! You hit the nail right on the head VF21. I can't stop missing him, but I'll always wish him the best.
You're actually comparing my distaste for Stojakovic to your distaste for Webber? That's laughable.
I've never liked Stojakovic, and make no apologies for it. I never felt that he was any better than the second-best player talent-wise or the third-best player impact-wise player at any point during his tenure with the Kings. In fact, for most of his tenure here, I felt like he was the third-best player talent-wise (behind Webber and Divac from 99-01, behind Webber and Bibby from 01-05) and fourth-best player impact-wise (behind Webber, Divac, Bibby, Christie). I believe (then and now) that his entire quote-unquote "MVP" season was counterfeit, and direct result of Vlade Divac's hard work. I still belive that he was a factor in Webber being traded, and I was glad when management finally came to their senses and got rid of him.
But, that's where the comparison ends.
Because, unlike you, I never publically called Stojakovic a cancer, or said that he was killing the team. Unlike you, I didn't dance in the street when Stojakovic got traded, or proclaim Petrie a god for dumping his ***. And, unlike you, I don't feel my need to stick my head in the (admittedly fewer) threads started about Stojakovic to remind everybody how much I don't like Stojakovic, or ask people why they're still obsessed with talking about him. You're up in Webber threads the way that Ryle is up in Adelman threads; it's like you take offense that people still miss this guy. You blatantly and intentionally mischaracterize any posts praising Webber's performance as "deifying" him, and then take up your cross and claim persecution, as if people here are baiting you, instead of the other way around.
My disdain for Stojakovic isn't anywhere near your disdain for Webber. Never has been, and likely never will be. At worst, I've called Stojakovic overrated and soft... you've practically demonized Webber here in the past; you've commented on Webber with the sort of vitriol and disgust that most people reserve for unliked politicians.
On behalf of everyone who has had to try and explain the difference between criticism of Peja and hatred of Webber, thank you...
It was a thing of beauty.
::wipes tear::
Vlade used to do it all the time, I think he partly picked it up from him.
Semi-OT: That Mayce Webber they interviewed, did they say it was his dad? Because that doesn't look like his father
Edit: Ok, they are interviewing his father right now.
That was hysterical! I figured maybe the family was having a little fun at Sager's expense, letting him keep calling some old guy "Mayce"! But then when the real Mayce came on, I think it was just a mix up. Funny though...
As for Webber's impact in Detroit, those of us who have followed Webber's career know exactly what he means to Detroit. And why Philly screwed up.
Webber's strengths are his unselfishness, his soft hands, his passing, his all-around b-ball smarts. Philly could never figure out that he wasn't the 23 year old Webber and never knew how to use him. That was what was sad.
And what was so stupid is that it's just so easy. Webber steps on the floor with the Pistons and immediately has an impact because Saunders understands exactly who Webber is and what he brings. Maybe the Philly players were too young, and the Pistons maturity allows them to move without the ball so much better and finish. Doug Collins couldn't praise Webber enough last night.
There was an interesting piece of information, however. Apparently Webber's contract with the Pistons is short and he's a free agent this summer. Phil Jackson said he would have brought in Chris except he didn't want to have to teach him the triangle mid-season. He'd rather have him the whole year. Chris apparently intimated that you never know what the future will bring. Could he be a Laker next year? Lord, I hope not!
Webber's strengths are his unselfishness, his soft hands, his passing, his all-around b-ball smarts. Philly could never figure out that he wasn't the 23 year old Webber and never knew how to use him. That was what was sad.
And what was so stupid is that it's just so easy. Webber steps on the floor with the Pistons and immediately has an impact because Saunders understands exactly who Webber is and what he brings. Maybe the Philly players were too young, and the Pistons maturity allows them to move without the ball so much better and finish. Doug Collins couldn't praise Webber enough last night.
There was an interesting piece of information, however. Apparently Webber's contract with the Pistons is short and he's a free agent this summer. Phil Jackson said he would have brought in Chris except he didn't want to have to teach him the triangle mid-season. He'd rather have him the whole year. Chris apparently intimated that you never know what the future will bring. Could he be a Laker next year? Lord, I hope not!
I don't think we'll be seeing Webb in a Laker uniform. He made it pretty clear he wanted to close out his career in Detroit. I think his reception there has pretty much made that a done deal. He may be a free agent come summer but I suspect he'll sign another contract with the Pistons. Actually being an integral part of a team like that has a lot of value to someone like Webb IMHO.
Ryle
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If the Pistons make it to the finals, I can't see Webber leaving. He's having too much fun playing on a team of seasoned veterans who love to play his style. I can't see him wanting to leave all that behind.
The bit about him at halftime saying the Pistons were "the best help-defensive team he's ever played on," and that it didn't matter if you were small or slow, your man would help you out and you were "never on an island by yourself" were pretty big tells. IMO. The Pistons are a near perfect fit for him, and he can still play as much as he wants as a starter.
I don't see him getting the same things from LA.
The bit about him at halftime saying the Pistons were "the best help-defensive team he's ever played on," and that it didn't matter if you were small or slow, your man would help you out and you were "never on an island by yourself" were pretty big tells. IMO. The Pistons are a near perfect fit for him, and he can still play as much as he wants as a starter.
I don't see him getting the same things from LA.
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Ryle
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He's not involving you. He's using you as an example. Can you really deny that you jump into the middle of any Adelman thread with both feet?
Actually I thought I had been pretty civil when his contract wasn't renewed and didn't really say much about it. I have since given up even commenting anymore since it's like beating my head against a wall.
bozzwell
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I agree, but I also have to admit, that Webber hating threads were some of the best ever basketball threads on this here Earth. Webber hating became and art form and by comparision Pedja critcism/hating threads were (just like Slim pointed out) mild and tepid. Conversly, some of the best basketball posts were those in defence of Webber, both while he was here and after he was traded.
I mean who can forget Peja16, reading thread after thread in anticipation ("When is he going to snap and blow up...") and trying to read his totally over the top bile before moderators delete it.
I am only half joking. Back in those days we had fireworks every five minutes on the forum, and as much as it brought the worst out in some posters in brought out the best in others.
Chris, we all miss you. Even the haters.
AleksandarN
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Huh? I do not understand? Are you saying all of the criticism of Pedja was just criticism and no hatred, and that there was no criticism of
Webber just hatred? I am just wondering because that is what I get from this reply. Can you please clearify for me because it could be just a misunderstanding of what you just said, thanks.
I think he'd love to play with Kobe in the lights of LA.
However, the comment was much like all Webber's comments, its what he thinks in that second and can be the opposite of what he thought just the second before or after.
love_them_kings
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http://dwb.sacbee.com/24hour/sports/basketball/nba/story/3549833p-12769220c.html
Webber helps Pistons continue hot streak
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AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (AP) Chris Webber has fit into his new team seamlessly, making passes and shots. The five-time All-Star still is not satisfied. Webber had 18 points and 11 rebounds to help the Detroit Pistons beat the Los Angeles Lakers 93-78 on Thursday night.
The Pistons have won five straight - building a two-game lead for the best record in the Eastern Conference - and are 9-2 with Webber in the starting lineup.
"It's only going to get better," Webber said with a grin.
Kobe Bryant agreed, adding the Pistons are playing like champions in part because of Webber.
"He's a phenomenal passer," Bryant said. "It's fun to watch him, unless you are actually trying to stop him. When he was with Sacramento, he drove us crazy with those passes.
"When he comes in the game, you can see all of those guys start licking their chops and cutting even harder to the basket because they know what he will be giving them."[/B]
Bryant had 18 points on 5-of-13 shooting and eight turnovers, one short of his career high.
"They are great defensively and they get a little leeway because of their reputations," he said. "Great teams earn that leeway. We haven't played anyone else like that this season."
Detroit's Tayshaun Prince scored 20, Rasheed Wallace had 18 and 10 rebounds and Richard Hamilton added 16 points and seven assists.
Webber, who played a season-high 41 minutes, had his third double-double since signing with the Pistons three weeks ago, and scored at least 12 points for the fifth straight game.
The Pistons built a double-digit lead in the first quarter with crisp ball movement that led to 11 assists on 12 baskets and didn't have much trouble maintaining the cushion for the rest of the game. They have won eight straight at home against Los Angeles, including three victories in the 2004 finals that were Shaquille O'Neal's last games with the Lakers.
"We have not played a good game on this floor in year," Los Angeles coach Phil Jackson said. "It's all about matchups, and they aren't good for us against Detroit."
Los Angeles had balanced scoring, but much of it came too late.
Ronny Turiaf scored 13, Lamar Odom had 12 points, Smush Parker scored 11 and rookie Jordan Farmar added 10 for the Lakers, who fell to 3-3 on their eight-game road trip.
The Pistons looked fantastic on offense during the first quarter - when they essentially won the game - and Webber had a lot to do with it.
Without the ball, Webber's passing has encouraged them to cut through the lane and curl around picks more often and harder than they did in the past.
"You can definitely attribute that to Webber," said point guard Chauncey Billups, who had nine assists. "It's a lot of fun. People are getting dunks and a lot of wide-open looks."
Four different players had assists and Detroit made 60 percent of its shots to help build a 28-17 lead.
Webber had eight points, five rebounds, three assists and no turnovers in the first quarter. Bryant deferred to his teammates until taking and making his first shot, a 3-pointer with 27.5 seconds left in the quarter.
"He was really trying to get guys involved," Prince said. "The time he was trying to be aggressive, guys were in a great position to help."
Detroit led 48-36 at halftime and 73-59 after three quarters. The Pistons built their biggest lead, a 20-point cushion in the final quarter and coasted to the victory. Notes
Jackson and reserve Brian Cook had a heated confrontation on the sideline in the second half. "That's out of character for Brian," Jackson said. ... The last time the Lakers won at the Palace was Jan. 8, 2002. ... In the previous meeting this season, the Pistons won 97-83 on Nov. 10 at Los Angeles. ... Detroit is 9-8 against the Western Conference and the Lakers are 13-10 against the East. ... Webber made his first 3-pointer in 12 games with the Pistons, and his third this season. ... Mateen Cleaves, a former Pistons first-round pick and Michigan State star, joined the Bakersfield (Calif.) Jam of the NBA Development League on Thursday.
Webber helps Pistons continue hot streak
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AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (AP) Chris Webber has fit into his new team seamlessly, making passes and shots. The five-time All-Star still is not satisfied. Webber had 18 points and 11 rebounds to help the Detroit Pistons beat the Los Angeles Lakers 93-78 on Thursday night.
The Pistons have won five straight - building a two-game lead for the best record in the Eastern Conference - and are 9-2 with Webber in the starting lineup.
"It's only going to get better," Webber said with a grin.
Kobe Bryant agreed, adding the Pistons are playing like champions in part because of Webber.
"He's a phenomenal passer," Bryant said. "It's fun to watch him, unless you are actually trying to stop him. When he was with Sacramento, he drove us crazy with those passes.
"When he comes in the game, you can see all of those guys start licking their chops and cutting even harder to the basket because they know what he will be giving them."[/B]
Bryant had 18 points on 5-of-13 shooting and eight turnovers, one short of his career high.
"They are great defensively and they get a little leeway because of their reputations," he said. "Great teams earn that leeway. We haven't played anyone else like that this season."
Detroit's Tayshaun Prince scored 20, Rasheed Wallace had 18 and 10 rebounds and Richard Hamilton added 16 points and seven assists.
Webber, who played a season-high 41 minutes, had his third double-double since signing with the Pistons three weeks ago, and scored at least 12 points for the fifth straight game.
The Pistons built a double-digit lead in the first quarter with crisp ball movement that led to 11 assists on 12 baskets and didn't have much trouble maintaining the cushion for the rest of the game. They have won eight straight at home against Los Angeles, including three victories in the 2004 finals that were Shaquille O'Neal's last games with the Lakers.
"We have not played a good game on this floor in year," Los Angeles coach Phil Jackson said. "It's all about matchups, and they aren't good for us against Detroit."
Los Angeles had balanced scoring, but much of it came too late.
Ronny Turiaf scored 13, Lamar Odom had 12 points, Smush Parker scored 11 and rookie Jordan Farmar added 10 for the Lakers, who fell to 3-3 on their eight-game road trip.
The Pistons looked fantastic on offense during the first quarter - when they essentially won the game - and Webber had a lot to do with it.
Without the ball, Webber's passing has encouraged them to cut through the lane and curl around picks more often and harder than they did in the past.
"You can definitely attribute that to Webber," said point guard Chauncey Billups, who had nine assists. "It's a lot of fun. People are getting dunks and a lot of wide-open looks."
Four different players had assists and Detroit made 60 percent of its shots to help build a 28-17 lead.
Webber had eight points, five rebounds, three assists and no turnovers in the first quarter. Bryant deferred to his teammates until taking and making his first shot, a 3-pointer with 27.5 seconds left in the quarter.
"He was really trying to get guys involved," Prince said. "The time he was trying to be aggressive, guys were in a great position to help."
Detroit led 48-36 at halftime and 73-59 after three quarters. The Pistons built their biggest lead, a 20-point cushion in the final quarter and coasted to the victory. Notes
Jackson and reserve Brian Cook had a heated confrontation on the sideline in the second half. "That's out of character for Brian," Jackson said. ... The last time the Lakers won at the Palace was Jan. 8, 2002. ... In the previous meeting this season, the Pistons won 97-83 on Nov. 10 at Los Angeles. ... Detroit is 9-8 against the Western Conference and the Lakers are 13-10 against the East. ... Webber made his first 3-pointer in 12 games with the Pistons, and his third this season. ... Mateen Cleaves, a former Pistons first-round pick and Michigan State star, joined the Bakersfield (Calif.) Jam of the NBA Development League on Thursday.
love_them_kings
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Thought I'd post the above article because I didn't see it anywhere else & it really made me smile. Something about Kobe Bryant talking about how great Webb is just made my day!! 
I honestly don't see Webb leaving Detroit if things continue in this direction. He's in his hometown, playing great, he's having fun, his team's doing well, and the team and the fans are embracing him. It doesn't get much better than that, and I'd be willing to bet that he recognizes that.
I honestly don't see Webb leaving Detroit if things continue in this direction. He's in his hometown, playing great, he's having fun, his team's doing well, and the team and the fans are embracing him. It doesn't get much better than that, and I'd be willing to bet that he recognizes that.
acisking
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Thought I'd post the above article because I didn't see it anywhere else & it really made me smile. Something about Kobe Bryant talking about how great Webb is just made my day!!
Yea I was pleasantly surprised to read that. Even Kobe Bryant can see what is so plainly obvious in that Webb makes people better. It still amazes me that there ae so manyKings fans, who reaped the benefits of that ability....who are still in denial about what Webb brought and still brings to the table.
I think the part you are missing is not the "what did he bring to the table", it's the "what were the chances of him being able to play on the knee", as I assume you are discussing his trade.
Hindsight is always 20-20. At the time, it was a smart gamble. In retrospect, maybe not so much. But looking back on a move after a couple years is a luxury GM's don't have the advantage of at the time of the trade....
acisking
Bench
No, no....although I disagreed with the trade vehemently, I am over the fact that it happened. What I was referring to were posters on boards like these who seemed and still seem unwilling to give Webber due credit no matter how well he does. Labels like cancer and selfish were thrown around, although most people in the NBA thought and still think of Webber as a player who makes people better. Granted, anyone has the right to think of Webber in any way they like, but I just don't see an honest justification.
I think this offseason is the due date where this trade can be properly assessed. If we are still sitting on junk, I mean "flexible pieces", at the time where Webb's old contract actually would have become an assett then everyone winds up looking like a fool. Unfortunately I don't see us moving KT anytime soon and I doubt the cap space Corliss and Pot free up will amount to much.
Gotcha.
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