Darth Divac
Bench
Any questions or comments?
We should start Patterson at the 3.
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Chupacabra
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No. Too many scorers.
Telemachus
Starter
Normally I wouldn't be for this idea because I would rather see Patterson play his natual position. However, he would give us better outside shooting and would mainly struggle with guarding quicker SFs around the league. And the truth is that Salmons has been giving the Kings almost no production lately, so I don't see how it could hurt the team.
The best defenders that start are Evans and Salmons both of whom are 6-6 and natural SGs. Take out a a scarce good defender and put in a good scorer? Can someone please draw up the specs for an NBA small forward and give it to the Maloofs? Maybe if they sit on it for ten days it will hatch.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I don't know if I would start him, but it might be a way to get him some additional minutes. But even if you were to start him at the SF position, you could move him over to the PF position when JT came out of the game. When its time for Cuz to get a blow, you bring back JT along with Aldrich, and let Salmons come in at SF. Esentially, you'd be taking about 10 or so minutes away from Salmons and giving them to Patterson. Which might not be a bad thing.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
The whole point is Patterson at the 4 is pretty much everything you hoped to get from Donte Greene there. Great mismatch opportunity at the 4. He's a great shooter for a spot shooting 4, just so much more interesting at PF and lesser so in all categories at SF.
Chupacabra
Starter
This precisely.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
i don't see pat chasing lebron or quicker sf's around. he would be better suited to help draw out a joel anthony or bosh from the paint.
this would be taking away an advantage like smart removing reke from the pg position.
this would be taking away an advantage like smart removing reke from the pg position.
Darth Divac
Bench
No, that actually gave us an advantage. With him as the star, our offense was low scoring AND we had terrible defense. Now, we just have terrible defense, as our offense is ranked 10th in the NBA.
This again?
Simply put: when the ball is in his hands, good things happen.
Last year when it was at PG, for that brief moment in time, we DID beat upper-echelon teams. This year, when he's allowed to facilitate, even though it's from the SG position, good things happen for us. It doesn't hurt that players are now hitting open shots, as opposed to last year, but let's not let the fact that he's starting the game at a different position take away from the fact that he needs to be the facilitator in order to break down defenses.
Darth Divac
Bench
So you're on team RekeforPG?
Pat Pat would get destroyed by most SF's out there. He brings some nice skills to the team but these guys can't be playing out of position all the time. It's just another reason why our defense sucks.
John Salmons for instance, is in no way a SF. The only reason he's playing SF on our team is because James Johnson and Travis Outlaw are both terrible players and Tyreke is no longer an above average player as an SF.
Starting Patterson is just going the opposite of John Salmons. Neither works.
John Salmons for instance, is in no way a SF. The only reason he's playing SF on our team is because James Johnson and Travis Outlaw are both terrible players and Tyreke is no longer an above average player as an SF.
Starting Patterson is just going the opposite of John Salmons. Neither works.
Section 101
All-Star
Start Patterson at the 4. Move JT to the bench. JT can come in at either the 4 or 5 position as first big off the bench.
Darth Divac
Bench
Good idea.
I'm on team GiveHimTheDamnBall.
I don't care if he's at SG- it's a meaningless label. His backcourt needs to be a spot up shooter who can move the ball.
kingjatt
Starter
I agree, spot up shooters who can defend should space the floor and reke/cuz pick an roll should initate our offense at the top alla the spurs.
That gives Reke multiple options depending upon how the defense reacts. he can hit cuz rolling or for a pop jump shot, take it himself or pull up, or swing it to the weak side and let the ball move around until it finds a great (not good) but great shot.
Starting off a play with a PnR involving your 2 best players is something alot of teams do, as noted Duncan and parker, Wade and James, Durrant and westbrook etc.
I just cant figure out for the life of me why Smart is so presistantly against it, when Reke and Cuz run it on their own a few times it yields success, imagine if they had an actual system taliored around it.
There are glaring weaknesses in how Smart coaches a game. The two that drive me nuts the most just might be his refusal to make a substitution during a time out and his apparent ignorance about the pick and roll.
kingjatt
Starter
Ive given up trying to figure out his bizzare rotations, the last time Jimmer got any significant time was when his parents/family were here, was that why he played? i guess will never know.
most of the time smart is trying to put a big up top and let the midgets try to back cut, that works if you run it seldomly and the defense falls asleep, you CANNOT rely on that as being the staple of your offense because defenses can easily stop it and it ussually leaves a big out in no mans land trying to make a decision that a guard should be making. the end result is ussually an ISO late in the shot clock or a chuck.
defenders are too good/athletic now that unless you have a Kobe or Lebron you cannot rely on a constant diet of ISO's or hoping defenders fall asleep on backcuts everytime, you must start with a pick or multiple picks to free guys up a bit and force the defense to bend.
Yet another Kings fan who would make a better coach than Keith Smart.
There are way too many of us.
Darth Divac
Bench
Off topic: Am I the only one who liked Casspi?
bajaden
Hall of Famer
As a player, or as a person?
Darth Divac
Bench
Player. He's better than Salmons.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
In general everything you said is true. However all those things you mentioned will work if done within the confines of a set system. To back what your saying, we used to run Kevin Martin off of double and sometimes triple screens to get him an open shot. But Martin was excellent at coming off of screens and shooting the ball. Neither IT or Thornton know how to use a screen properly. That was Jimmer's bread and butter at BYU, but he hasn't been revelant of late. I guess what I'm saying, is that we don't have a Martin on our team. Tyreke seems to have made progress at the catch and shoot, and the straight pullup and shoot, but he's not someone that can come off a screen and shoot consistently.
We've put Cousins at the high post, and tried to run the offense through him. But too many times when he gets the ball, no one is moviing without the ball. So he has no one to pass to, and as you said, its ends up being an ISO with 5 ticks left on the shotclock. What this team doesn't have is ball movement. The ball can move faster than a player, and if you keep the ball moving eventually you'll break down the defense. Unfortunately, there's always someone out there that thinks the ball stops here. We have a team of players that complain after every game that the other team always manages to get open shots, and how they need to improve the team defense. They watch film of what the other teams do, and yet, they refuse to do the same things themselves. I guess when your that talented, you don't have to listen to anyone!
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I'm not a big fan of John Salmons, but he's forgotten more about basketball than Casspi knows. About the only advantage Casspi has over Salmons, is that he's taller. John is a better ballhandler, shooter, athlete, and has better BBIQ. And if I'm not a big fan of John's, then that should tell you what I think of Casspi. Nice person though!
kingjatt
Starter
I pointed out that backcuts/big man at the top works to mix things up or say out of a timeout to remain somewhat unpredictable but at times smart relies on it over and over esp with chuck and the 2nd unit to the point where its almost laughable as the defense can sense it coming. Chuck can make a play or two but should almost never touch the ball on offense (defenses just sag off and closes all passing lanes) unless he is silly open or its a putback. he needs to camp in the lane at all times! thats his role, but remember we dont believe in roles per smart.
I think Thornton and Jimmer should almost exclusively come off picks/double picks as they are too short to create a high percentage shot on their own but are our two best shooters. IT has too slow of a release to come off of picks effectively plus he is really short so defenses can get around and bother his shot regardless of picks. Tyreke just cant shoot well enough, but he does other things to make up for it, like get into the lane, command respect and kick it out.
I see the cousins ISO a little differently than you do, I believe at its inception guys did move, but Cuz would just ISO too much anyway, he was not ready to make those decsions espcially with our coaching, he just doesnt have the anlyitical skills yet to do it sustainably. for the other guys its just human nature to be frustrated at that and not move with a passion, even if you do move, your getting benched regardless, that a whole different issue though. back to cousins, he had a small strech of games where he passed out a lot and guys hit shots, we were looking pretty good but without the pick and roll teams figured that out/ guys missed shots and frustrated cuz downlow to where he fell back into ISO'ing almost exclusively. If you ask me Cuz is not ready coaching/maturity wise to make decisions consistantly, if you get in his head it clouds his judgement at this stage in his career(21-22 yrs old), he will more often than not take it himself, which works time to time, but is not a system for sustained success.
They do watch the film but when what they are listening to is complete crap(coach smart) then they are just going to go out and try to get theirs and call it a day.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
you mean the selfish casspi? he could have been a good complimentary player but he wanted to be the man.
