Was the Martin trade to clear space for Bosh?

[Catalyst]

Chris Bosh has the player option to be a free agent this summer, and will probably command max dollars from some team.

I've been wondering if Petrie has had his eye on Bosh for awhile now because he's kind of like Webber. He doesn't have the best reputation in the league, but he's generally regarded as very talented and his game isn't too far removed from what Webber offered.

Although he's not the passer and all around player CWebb was, if you check out his numbers you can see they're comparable.

I'm not sure of the exact dollar figures of the salary cap, but I think the Kings were just a tad short of being able to offer max money to someone like Bosh, and I started to wonder if they did the Kevin Martin deal to clear up a bit of extra space next season so they could chase him.

Anyway, I'm just throwing this out there. I haven't heard much that connects Bosh to the Kings, so call this a hunch, but I think the Kings might try to land him this summer.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm sure we'd love to. In fact we'd be idiots not to pursue it. But it takes two to tango, and why Chris Bosh would choose Sacramento over New York, Miami, Chciago or any of the other 8-9 franchises out there who have cleared enough room to max him out I do not know.

 

[Catalyst]

He'd have to like the prospects of playing with Tyreke and the other guys, plus what management offers him as being a franchise guy, building a great team, winning, etc.

Certainly a longer shot than some of those teams, but if the salary cap goes down like it's expected to again this year, that puts it around 55/56 million and I believe a max deal for Bosh would start out around 17 million.

By my math, the only teams besides the ones you named who could sign him are Minnesota (bleh), Washington (don't think this will happen) and the Clippers (maybe).

New York and Miami may not have as much upside as Sacramento does in the offseason, the Knicks don't have anyone on their roster that's enticing right now, and Dwyane Wade also becomes a free agent so Miami may not look that great either.

I think Bosh wants to win and with the talent the Kings are acquiring, they might be able to sell him on building something here.

Again, not saying we're a shoe-in to sign him or anything, but I don't think that it's too much of a long shot either — depending on how the team finishes this year.

 

[Kings Faithful]

If your goal is winning for alot of years ahead, Sacramento is easily the best choice out of all the other franchises with enough money to sign him. He could go to New York, but their is no one else that shows huge promise to bring that team back to the top, unless they have enough money for 2 max contracts and find a way to sign lebron as well... then its a different story. Same thing with Miami. If Wade isn't around they don't have any real young up and coming playes besides Beasly who is good, but hasn't show star quality yet.

All that being said... any big names will still probably look at big market city's like Chicago, Miami, and New York before even considering Sacramento.

 

[Spike]

I think Bosh wants to win and with the talent the Kings are acquiring, they might be able to sell him on building something here.

The problem is that this team is probably about 2/3 years from contending were Bosh to join. If he wants to win "now", he may just follow Wade. Paired together, they would be a pretty dynamic group. I know Evans has a similar style to Wade, but he's not quite at his level...yet.

 

[Kings Faithful]

The problem is that this team is probably about 2/3 years from contending were Bosh to join. If he wants to win "now", he may just follow Wade. Paired together, they would be a pretty dynamic group. I know Evans has a similar style to Wade, but he's not quite at his level...yet.

2/3 from seriously contending, yes...winning, making it to the playoffs and putting up a helluva fight? Probably next year, were Bosh to join. Tyreke and Bosh together would tear up the league. Add another pure shooter or 2 into the mix and were hot stuff. Bosh probably would look at pairing up with Wade first though, but winning "now" wouldn't be the reason why. Winning a title now, maby. Still, there are no guarantees.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Over on the Houston board there is a big discussion on how this trade sets them up for Bosh. I can only laugh at that one. Would love him to come here and we could probably offer them something in a sign and trade that would appeal more than NY or another team might, but I just don't see him choosing us. But who knows?

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Obviously everyone here would love it. Bosh comes to sacramento next year and this team is a top 5 seed in the west. Well, it should be .. assuming were healthy and we live up to our potential, but we would be right there.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Over on the Houston board there is a big discussion on how this trade sets them up for Bosh. I can only laugh at that one.

They're insane. Jeffries will absolutely not be opting out, which leaves them at $40M before Yao's option. If you were injured for the entire previous season and had an option for $17M, would you take it? Likely. But hey, if Yao opts out and then the salary cap goes UP instead of the projected down, I guess they have a shot. But even then it would cost them Yao because they'd have to renounce his Bird rights to clear the capspace to sign Bosh.

I don't see a lot of hope for Bosh coming here, but maybe there's a draw to potentially bringing a championship to Sacramento. Win in New York and be loved; win in Sacramento and be canonized. That kind of thing.

 

[Amory]

Like it has been said, I am sure we would take Bosh if we could.

I am also sure we have a list of a couple people we would give max contracts to.

 

[ParniValjak]

Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs have been saying for 2 years now that their goal would be to be a player in the 2010 free agency so the fact that we cleared up enough room to offer a max contract to a player is no accident.

Now whether the plan was to all along trade Martin, that I am not sure. However, one this is for certain here, come 00:01 AM on July 1, 2010 Chris Bosh will be receiving a phone call from the Kings.

If I was Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs, I would make sure that I am literally knocking on his door the second the FA frenzy begins with a proposal that would blow his socks off and that means a way for us to work a sign and trade with Toronto.

Whether we get anywhere with that is another sotry but I am sure we will give it a shot. I think its just about a certainty that our #1 target in FA will be Chris Bosh but getting him here will be a tough sell. If we somehow sign Bosh and get a defensive C to pair with him, we could be a legitimate play off team next year and contender there after.

 

[Padrino]

its a beautiful dream...

 

[Uncia03]

It looks as if there are nine teams which will probably have the ability to offer a max contract or close to a max contract.

They are:

Cavaliers (Resign James, but can't resign him and another Star)
Raptors (Resign Bosh, but can't resign him and another Star)
Heat (Resign Wade. Also have the space to resign James/Bosh)
Bulls (Large Market. MJ's Legacy with good players. Rose, Noah, Deng)
Knicks (Largest Market. Could sign two max free-agents)
Nets (Large Market. Could sign two max FAs. Has Lopez/Harris + High pick)
Kings (Small Market. Have budding superstar + high pick + young talent)
Wizards (Team is a mess. If they lose Gilbert's contract could sign 2 FA)
Clippers (Team is cursed. Will have good young talent + High Pick)

So which teams would be tempting for Bosh?

Obviously he could resign with Toronto, but I don't see that happening. The team has 35 million locked up into 4 players for the next three years after this season. If Bosh resigns they are not going to be able to add the pieces necessary to push for a title. So I think he leaves for more competitive pastures.

The Heat is a definite possibility if he joins with Wade. I think the Heat would have the best chance of picking him up.
The Bulls would probably be the second best place for him. They have the point guard and center and a good wing in Deng. He'd be a good fit for that team.
The Nets I think are set up better for Bosh than the Knicks. They have Lopez and Harris as well as a very high draft pick. Plus if the Nets can get both Bosh and another major FA, they would become a very good team.
The Knicks are only going to get Bosh if they are also able to get Wade or James as well. I'm not certain if Bosh will want to play with another soft big man or not. He'd be going from Bargnani to Gallinari, so I think the Nets have a better shot at landing him.
The Wizards are a mess, so I don't see him landing there.
The Clippers have Caman and Griffin, so I don't see him landing there.

So provided that the Kings get a top 10 draft pick, play very competitive basketball for the remainder of the season, and neither the Nets or the Knicks are able to convince two superstars to join them I think that the Kings are probably the third best team for Bosh behind the Heat and the Bulls.

I don't think we'll be lucky enough to land him, but I'd be estatic if we did.

I've mentioned this in the past, but I think the most realistic FA we could pick up which would really help this team would be Joe Johnson.

He'd be a fantastic 2 next to Tyreke, and if we are also able to get a good big man (Cousins/Aldrich/ect.) then we would be playoff bound. Whether or not we'd be championship contenders would ultimately depend on how well our Big Man acquistion was able to shore up our post & help defense.

But a line-up of:

Tyreke/Beno
Johnson/Garcia
Greene/Casspi/Nocioni
JT/Landry
Cousins(Aldrich)/Hawes

would be very competitive for both the starting unit and the reserves.

 

[SacTownKid]

Just like Webber staying in Sac, I predict Bosh staying right where he's at. The only reason he goes if it's because Toronto is done with him, which I don't forsee happening.

 

[QoooooQ]

I'm guessing it could also depend on how well we play down the stretch this year. If we get up to 30 wins we're clearly a team on the rise and Petrie can make a good sales pitch. If we keep losing and end up with 22 wins, nobody will be interested.

 

[SacKings384]

We aren't getting Bosh. Too small of a market unfortunately. Can you think of any big name free agent signings the Kings have had in recent history? The one that worries me is Joe Johnson. He isn't a superstar and he isn't a max player, and he's also getting up there in age. I worry that the Kings might throw the money at him when in reality he just isn't worth it.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

They're insane. Jeffries will absolutely not be opting out, which leaves them at $40M before Yao's option. If you were injured for the entire previous season and had an option for $17M, would you take it? Likely. But hey, if Yao opts out and then the salary cap goes UP instead of the projected down, I guess they have a shot. But even then it would cost them Yao because they'd have to renounce his Bird rights to clear the capspace to sign Bosh.

The apparent thinking was that they could trade half their team because Bosh would not be able to resist playing with Martin and Yao. So they chould package the Knicks picks, Hill, Ariza or Brooks, and a bunch of scrubs to make the numbers match.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I think there is like a 1% chance we get Bosh unless we get lucky enough to draft John Wall.

If we pair John Wall and Tyreke I then think Bosh would come.

 

[Amory]

It looks as if there are nine teams which will probably have the ability to offer a max contract or close to a max contract.

They are:

Cavaliers (Resign James, but can't resign him and another Star)
Raptors (Resign Bosh, but can't resign him and another Star)
Heat (Resign Wade. Also have the space to resign James/Bosh)
Bulls (Large Market. MJ's Legacy with good players. Rose, Noah, Deng)
Knicks (Largest Market. Could sign two max free-agents)
Nets (Large Market. Could sign two max FAs. Has Lopez/Harris + High pick)
Kings (Small Market. Have budding superstar + high pick + young talent)
Wizards (Team is a mess. If they lose Gilbert's contract could sign 2 FA)
Clippers (Team is cursed. Will have good young talent + High Pick)

So which teams would be tempting for Bosh?

Obviously he could resign with Toronto, but I don't see that happening. The team has 35 million locked up into 4 players for the next three years after this season. If Bosh resigns they are not going to be able to add the pieces necessary to push for a title. So I think he leaves for more competitive pastures.

The Heat is a definite possibility if he joins with Wade. I think the Heat would have the best chance of picking him up.
The Bulls would probably be the second best place for him. They have the point guard and center and a good wing in Deng. He'd be a good fit for that team.
The Nets I think are set up better for Bosh than the Knicks. They have Lopez and Harris as well as a very high draft pick. Plus if the Nets can get both Bosh and another major FA, they would become a very good team.
The Knicks are only going to get Bosh if they are also able to get Wade or James as well. I'm not certain if Bosh will want to play with another soft big man or not. He'd be going from Bargnani to Gallinari, so I think the Nets have a better shot at landing him.
The Wizards are a mess, so I don't see him landing there.
The Clippers have Caman and Griffin, so I don't see him landing there.

So provided that the Kings get a top 10 draft pick, play very competitive basketball for the remainder of the season, and neither the Nets or the Knicks are able to convince two superstars to join them I think that the Kings are probably the third best team for Bosh behind the Heat and the Bulls.

I don't think we'll be lucky enough to land him, but I'd be estatic if we did.

I've mentioned this in the past, but I think the most realistic FA we could pick up which would really help this team would be Joe Johnson.

He'd be a fantastic 2 next to Tyreke, and if we are also able to get a good big man (Cousins/Aldrich/ect.) then we would be playoff bound. Whether or not we'd be championship contenders would ultimately depend on how well our Big Man acquistion was able to shore up our post & help defense.

But a line-up of:

Tyreke/Beno
Johnson/Garcia
Greene/Casspi/Nocioni
JT/Landry
Cousins(Aldrich)/Hawes

would be very competitive for both the starting unit and the reserves.

Great post! Makes a lot of sense.

 

[kupman]

I'm sure we'd love to. In fact we'd be idiots not to pursue it. But it takes two to tango, and why Chris Bosh would choose Sacramento over New York, Miami, Chciago or any of the other 8-9 franchises out there who have cleared enough room to max him out I do not know.

reason #1 - he would love to play with 'Reke to chase a title
reason #2 - unlimited nights at the palms furnished with playmates

I am selling - hopefully he will buy it.

 

[Jespher]

I think a lot of this hinges on the draft pick the Kings get this year. If they luck into the first pick, and take John Wall, then that would leave room for a free agent big to come here. If they don't I see them going for a PF/C in the draft, which would probably make the front court too crowded for Chris Bosh's liking. Here's hoping for both Wall and Bosh. Wouldn't that be a coup! I'm salivating imagining this depth long term:

PG John Wall/Beno Udrih
SG Tyreke Evans/Francisco Garcia
SF Omri Casspi/Donte Greene
PF Carl Landry/Jason Thompson
C Chris Bosh/Spencer Hawes

 

[Tetsujin]

I think a lot of this hinges on the draft pick the Kings get this year. If they luck into the first pick, and take John Wall, then that would leave room for a free agent big to come here. If they don't I see them going for a PF/C in the draft, which would probably make the front court too crowded for Chris Bosh's liking. Here's hoping for both Wall and Bosh. Wouldn't that be a coup! I'm salivating imagining this depth long term:

PG John Wall/Beno Udrih
SG Tyreke Evans/Francisco Garcia
SF Omri Casspi/Donte Greene
PF Carl Landry/Jason Thompson
C Chris Bosh/Spencer Hawes

Bosh is not a five by any means.

The line-up would look more like:
Wall/Beno
Reke/Cisco
Casspi/Donte/Nocioni
Bosh/Landry/Brockman
Hawes/JT

 

[hammystyle]

It looks as if there are nine teams which will probably have the ability to offer a max contract or close to a max contract.

They are:

Cavaliers (Resign James, but can't resign him and another Star)
Raptors (Resign Bosh, but can't resign him and another Star)
Heat (Resign Wade. Also have the space to resign James/Bosh)
Bulls (Large Market. MJ's Legacy with good players. Rose, Noah, Deng)
Knicks (Largest Market. Could sign two max free-agents)
Nets (Large Market. Could sign two max FAs. Has Lopez/Harris + High pick)
Kings (Small Market. Have budding superstar + high pick + young talent)
Wizards (Team is a mess. If they lose Gilbert's contract could sign 2 FA)
Clippers (Team is cursed. Will have good young talent + High Pick)

So which teams would be tempting for Bosh?

Obviously he could resign with Toronto, but I don't see that happening. The team has 35 million locked up into 4 players for the next three years after this season. If Bosh resigns they are not going to be able to add the pieces necessary to push for a title. So I think he leaves for more competitive pastures.

The Heat is a definite possibility if he joins with Wade. I think the Heat would have the best chance of picking him up.
The Bulls would probably be the second best place for him. They have the point guard and center and a good wing in Deng. He'd be a good fit for that team.
The Nets I think are set up better for Bosh than the Knicks. They have Lopez and Harris as well as a very high draft pick. Plus if the Nets can get both Bosh and another major FA, they would become a very good team.
The Knicks are only going to get Bosh if they are also able to get Wade or James as well. I'm not certain if Bosh will want to play with another soft big man or not. He'd be going from Bargnani to Gallinari, so I think the Nets have a better shot at landing him.
The Wizards are a mess, so I don't see him landing there.
The Clippers have Caman and Griffin, so I don't see him landing there.

So provided that the Kings get a top 10 draft pick, play very competitive basketball for the remainder of the season, and neither the Nets or the Knicks are able to convince two superstars to join them I think that the Kings are probably the third best team for Bosh behind the Heat and the Bulls.

I don't think we'll be lucky enough to land him, but I'd be estatic if we did.

I've mentioned this in the past, but I think the most realistic FA we could pick up which would really help this team would be Joe Johnson.

He'd be a fantastic 2 next to Tyreke, and if we are also able to get a good big man (Cousins/Aldrich/ect.) then we would be playoff bound. Whether or not we'd be championship contenders would ultimately depend on how well our Big Man acquistion was able to shore up our post & help defense.

But a line-up of:

Tyreke/Beno
Johnson/Garcia
Greene/Casspi/Nocioni
JT/Landry
Cousins(Aldrich)/Hawes

would be very competitive for both the starting unit and the reserves.

That's a good breakdown. Additionally, we're arguably the best suited to offer Toronto pieces in a sign and trade. Landry, Casspi, Greene, the #1 would all be pretty enticing for Toronto. The pieces we can give Toronto, and the full money we'd then be able to offer Bosh are the catalysts that could get him here.

Joe Johnson WOULD be a perfect fit next to Tyreke...for the next couple years. He's logged a TON of minutes over the last five years and I think similar to Michael Finley, he's gonna have a steep decline in his age 30-31 years.

 

[Smills91]

I'm sure we'd love to. In fact we'd be idiots not to pursue it. But it takes two to tango, and why Chris Bosh would choose Sacramento over New York, Miami, Chciago or any of the other 8-9 franchises out there who have cleared enough room to max him out I do not know.

Because we have some things Toronto might want more than those said 8-9 franchises in turn for Bosh getting a 6 year deal with 12.5% increases vs. 10% increases.

I, too, think Bosh to Sacramento is a pipe dream, but he's the ONLY FA worth pursuing with max dollars, and crazier things have happened. We have to try, but it doesn't look good.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I think a lot of this hinges on the draft pick the Kings get this year. If they luck into the first pick, and take John Wall, then that would leave room for a free agent big to come here. If they don't I see them going for a PF/C in the draft, which would probably make the front court too crowded for Chris Bosh's liking. Here's hoping for both Wall and Bosh. Wouldn't that be a coup! I'm salivating imagining this depth long term:

PG John Wall/Beno Udrih
SG Tyreke Evans/Francisco Garcia
SF Omri Casspi/Donte Greene
PF Carl Landry/Jason Thompson
C Chris Bosh/Spencer Hawes

LOL.............. BOSH AT CENTER BWAAHAAHHAHAHAH, OKAY that was harsh.

he aint playing at center- hes a power forward. why put in a position to be punished at the defensive end?

 

[bajaden]

I'm sure we'd love to. In fact we'd be idiots not to pursue it. But it takes two to tango, and why Chris Bosh would choose Sacramento over New York, Miami, Chciago or any of the other 8-9 franchises out there who have cleared enough room to max him out I do not know.

Two statements that Bosh made were that, he'd like to play in a warmer climate. Well, we would be a warmer climate, but then so would Miami. But that might elliminate Chicago or New York. The other statement he made was more interesting. He said he wasn't necessarily looking to go play with another superstar where he would be the second banana (my term). But rather go somewhere where the team would built around him as the star, or the main attraction if you will. In that case, a team like the Kings just might look appealing with the young talent they have. The Maloof's are good smooshers and do treat their players well.

So the odds might be slim, but maybe its not impossible. Hey, one can hope..

 

[bajaden]

Just like Webber staying in Sac, I predict Bosh staying right where he's at. The only reason he goes if it's because Toronto is done with him, which I don't forsee happening.

I'm not saying your wrong, but I'm not sure why you think so. I think Uncia laid out a pretty fair argument for why he might leave. So what is your argument for why he might stay. Other than they can offer him more than anyone else. Which by the way, would cripple them even more financialy, and essentially leave them with the same team they have now.

 

[bajaden]

We aren't getting Bosh. Too small of a market unfortunately. Can you think of any big name free agent signings the Kings have had in recent history? The one that worries me is Joe Johnson. He isn't a superstar and he isn't a max player, and he's also getting up there in age. I worry that the Kings might throw the money at him when in reality he just isn't worth it.

Ahhhh, to be fair, the Kings haven't had any cap space to make any big name freeagent signings until now. And Johnson is 28 years old and averaging 24 points a game along with 5 assists a game. So if you gave him a 4 year contract, he would still only be 32 when it expired..

 

[Bricklayer]

Ahhhh, to be fair, the Kings haven't had any cap space to make any big name freeagent signings until now. And Johnson is 28 years old and averaging 24 points a game along with 5 assists a game. So if you gave him a 4 year contract, he would still only be 32 when it expired..

As I have mentioned, while he is a far better rounded player than Kevin, I do no beleive another 24ppg scoring SG works next to Reke. Just don't. If you could get JJ to bakc it down to 17 or so, while still doing and even focusing more on the rest of his game, maybe. But he's not going to want to go that, and if he did do that he wouldn't be worth the contract.

This urge to try to put a megascoring SG back there with Reke is just misguided. It flies in the face of NBA history. A good roleplayer th4ere will suffice. SF is already covered by Donte and Casspi. So the help, if its going to come, really has to come up front (of course if Lebron wants to come Donte and Casspi will just have to get use to bench duty ).

 

[Jespher]

LOL.............. BOSH AT CENTER BWAAHAAHHAHAHAH, OKAY that was harsh.

he aint playing at center- hes a power forward. why put in a position to be punished at the defensive end?

Move the pieces any way you want. What I was saying is those are 10 quality pieces that fit together well going forward...