Voisin: Brown Interested in Kings Job (merged)

Do you want the Kings to give Larry Brown a shot at the coaching position?


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#64
I'm not suggesting Brown is the best candidate for the job.

Just reminding people that they were fickle for dissing Adelman and insisting they get a "defensive minded" guy like Musselman, because Adelmen's style was never going to win a championship, yet somehow people were buying into the fact that Musselman's "rep" as a defensive coach gave them a better chance.

As hard as it is to believe now, people bought into that every bit as much as the Maloofs. To this day I'm really not sure what gave Musselman his defensive reputation, but reputation is obviously important to people and he somehow earned one.

Well, here's another defensive minded coach: Larry Brown. Anybody want him?
 
#66
OK folks, Brown or Brooks? Is that what it has come to? :eek:
Shawq
That would be cool if we had Shaw as our coach and Shaq as our assistant. So, instead of mentioning the names of our coaching staff, we would just say that the Kings are coached by Shawq.

eh heh...

anyways...I really dont want Brooks because he reminds of Musselman way too much. I would actually take Larry over Brooks, but Shaw over both of them.
 

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
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#68
Well, I can think of worse ideas.

In LB's favor--

He's got experience and a reputation for defensive play, neither of which is true of the other candidates remaining.

After his much publicized New York fiasco, there's going to be A LOT of attention paid to his next coaching job. That means free publicity, and lots of it. Even if it turns into another fiasco, you'd have a lot of people watching the Kings next year who wouldn't be otherwise. That's good for business.

He's been handsomly paid already so he'd be in it for redemption this time rather than the paycheck. At least for his first year.

He's expressed interest in the job, the players, and confidence in the GM. Any hall of fame coach expressing interest in Sacramento, regardless of the circumstances, is at least worth a look. Can you think of even one hall of famer (player/coach/whatever) expressing interest in Sacramento?

On the other hand--

His performance last year in New York has got to be one of the biggest coaching screwups of all time. He was a distraction the year before in Detroit as well so that's two bad years in a row (along with a failed Olympic stint) tainting his legacy. Is he already washed up?

He's got a reputation for picking fights with his players. I can think of at least one Kings player you don't want to be picking fights with. Uh oh.

Does anyone think he'll be happy in Sacramento any more than a year? He's a temporary fill in, not the longterm solution we're looking for.

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Looking at our current options, I'd say do it. Nobody else is available right now, he might actually get this team to play defense, and he'd bring a lot of attention to the team which would benefit the Maloofs and David Stern. Clearly there is no one that Petrie or the Maloofs are dying to hire right now, so this would buy us a year so we can start the coaching search over with a new round of possible coaches next year. If everything implodes, we'll get another high draft pick with a lot of good centers and point guards expected next year. If Larry Brown returns to hall of fame form, we've got the big name defensive coach with championship credentials we've been hoping for. Sounds like a win-win to me.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#69
i'd say it's worth a lot being that the maloofs ARE the ones who do the hiring.

They are.

They are also a bit lacking in the ole acumen department, and after they have meddled again, its Geoff and the rest of the staff who have to deal with the old spoiled diva after he hits town, starts lounging around sucking on mai tais and complaining that nobody from the front office has come down to buff his loafers this afternoon.
 
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#70
Don't judge Brown on his stint with the Knicks cause they have a buffon in Isiah running that team, go off his time with the Pistons where he had a real good GM in Dumars and see what he did. He can do the same here with Petrie. I say go for it. Hire Larry Brown.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#71
We do not need Larry Brown. And if the Kings were interested I think they already would have approached him. I strongly suspect he's simply too high-maintenance for even the Maloofs, regardless of what they might say in public. They're already paying one coach to NOT coach. I don't think they'll be interested in having to do it again and Brown's track record speaks pretty loudly about that type of thing.

Sorry, Larry. You need to just kick back and relax, and enjoy spending the millions you're being paid to do absolutely nothing.
 
#72
I'm biased because Larry Brown did the best turnaround job in basketball history when he got UCLA to the title game back 1980 (approx). He is not without talent. His baggage and zigzagging is legendary, but he is not an idiot.

I'm scared they'll hire Brooks. I'm scared they are truly interested in Carlissimo. I'd prefer "man's man" coaches like Porter-Shaw-Rambis but I'm afraid they'll wind up with a Wiesenstadt (sp?). Brown is perhaps past his prime, but I thought Nelson was too and he did okay. I just fear they're gonna make another musselman type error and the team will suck worse.

Brown will play a young kid if he's good. My fav UCLA squad had 3 key freshman before it was fashionable to use them. He proved himself in the pros. If he's healthy it might make for a fun season. I dunno. Just my opinion.
 
#73
Don't judge Brown on his stint with the Knicks cause they have a buffon in Isiah running that team, go off his time with the Pistons where he had a real good GM in Dumars and see what he did. He can do the same here with Petrie. I say go for it. Hire Larry Brown.
You mean the time with the Pistons when he quit on them and then proceeded to extort them into paying the rest of his contract so he could go sign with the Knicks and screw them over too?
 
#74
One of my main concerns with Brown is that he does not tend to work with young players very well. Isn't that our goal at this point - to rebuild around our young guys? If so, is Brown really the best choice?
 
#76
They are.

They are also a bit lacking in the ole acumen department, and after they have meddled again, its Geoff and the rest of the staff who have to deal with the old spoiled diva after he hits town, starts lounging around sucking on mai tais and complaining that nobody from the front office has come down to buff his loafers this afternoon.
That's fairly cynical:eek:, but I can understand the reason for cynicism:eek: with regards to the recent Sacramento Kings foibles:mad:...

...or Brooks starts off 8-25 and in the midst of it the D.A. indicts him for one or more felonies as a result of his Dribbles Car Wash biz.... or Theus or Shaw soon appear in over their head in the loaded Western Conf as a tanking Kings team sinks deep into NBA laughing stock domain. Lots of nightmare visions, not a lot of options, and risk everywhere.
 

VF21

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#77
"I want to get back," Brown said when contacted at his home in Philadelphia.
I just noticed that part. Looks like Voisin might be trying to get another favorite horse of her own into the race...
 
#78
I was originally dissing the idea of LB. But considering the options at this point, I think that they would be crazy not to at least interview the guy. And by "they", I mean the Maloofs.

Sign me up, Kings could actually pull a higher caliber player in with a higher caliber coach like LB.
 
#79
So what is the bigger spike to the head in the past week?

1) The NBA Finals

2) The endless talk about who will be the Kings next coach


Does anyone have an Excedrin? I have a headache.
 
#80
So what is the bigger spike to the head in the past week?

1) The NBA Finals

2) The endless talk about who will be the Kings next coach


Does anyone have an Excedrin? I have a headache.
-or-

3) The current roster of the Kings and the fact at this moment it's the same as when the season ended.
 
#82
Hey it is not that he isn't a good coach becuase he is. It is that ruined almost every franchise that he touched. Larry Brown wants power annd complete control. Any front office or owner who gives him control in personnel decision(sp?) thats what ruins franchises.
 
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#83
Where else are we going to get a coach who has actually won an NBA championship? Hire him....and do it today. Everyone else is an "also ran" to a coach with his credentials. The only other choices that have his credentials are Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, and Greg Popovich. Would any one of you say no to any of those choices? I sure as heck wouldn't. If the Maloofs are serious about winning they should do it in a heartbeat. Stop playing around with all these other stiffs. I mean really. Larry Brown has his baggage, sure, but he can teach...and win championships. He's done it time and time again. New York was an impossible situation and he was lucky he got out. No one could win with that group of misfits. As far as him co-existing with Ron Artest, Ron Ron will be long gone by next season. Take that to the bank. I can"t believe anyone wouldn't take Larry Brown as our head coach. Compared to Brian Shaw? PJ Carlissemo? Scott "what's he proved" Brooks? None of these guys will even give us a chance. At least Larry Brown will give us a chance. And that's all I ask for.
 
#84
Unless Geoff has something incredible up his sleeve....quote said:
Those Aces have long since been played. There isn't anything up there anymore. Other franchises GM's are now wary of Geoff and his abilities. I'm sure that if they see Geoff trying to get a certain player then they have to ask themselves "What is Geoff seeing that I don't. Maybe I'll just hang on to this player or ask for more for him".
 

HndsmCelt

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#85
Where else are we going to get a coach who has actually won an NBA championship? Hire him....and do it today. Everyone else is an "also ran" to a coach with his credentials. The only other choices that have his credentials are Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, and Greg Popovich. Would any one of you say no to any of those choices? I sure as heck wouldn't. If the Maloofs are serious about winning they should do it in a heartbeat. Stop playing around with all these other stiffs. I mean really. Larry Brown has his baggage, sure, but he can teach...and win championships. He's done it time and time again. New York was an impossible situation and he was lucky he got out. No one could win with that group of misfits. As far as him co-existing with Ron Artest, Ron Ron will be long gone by next season. Take that to the bank. I can"t believe anyone wouldn't take Larry Brown as our head coach. Compared to Brian Shaw? PJ Carlissemo? Scott "what's he proved" Brooks? None of these guys will even give us a chance. At least Larry Brown will give us a chance. And that's all I ask for.
Well by that logic we ought to hire Red Arbauch as head coach. After all he won 9 championships. He also has the advantage of only having been dead since October. Larry Brown has been dead since 2004.
 
#86
I would do this today if I could. Was never a fan of Brown, and I feel he hurt the Olympic team, and his ego set back the Knicks a year. Would never had looked to Brown last year or even earlier this offseason, but what do we have to lose now. Either he comes in and stabilizes the team or destroys them, and I feel the team needs a little bit of destroying.
Amen
 
#87
I just noticed that part. Looks like Voisin might be trying to get another favorite horse of her own into the race...
You think? :)

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/225885.html

Is it really worth two stories on a candidate that hasn't even been interviewed (and most like won't be) when there's already been plenty of people who have actually gone through the process? Especially when the only story appears to be the writer calling someone she thinks might be good for her job... er... I mean the Kings' coaching job.
 
#88
Well by that logic we ought to hire Red Arbauch as head coach. After all he won 9 championships. He also has the advantage of only having been dead since October. Larry Brown has been dead since 2004.
Your lame attempt to compare a dead man to a viable candidate for head coach is weak. Any people I noted are all alive and kicking. Have you ever heard the old saying you can't win em all. At least Larry Brown has won...alot. He knows how. H'e proven it. And recently. Go ahead and settle for a guy who doesn't have a history of success like P.J. or Scott brooks . Or better yet settle for a guy who has no history of coaching in the NBA like Reggie Theus. Maybe you'll get lucky. I'm betting you wont. I'll take my chances with a proven winner.
 
#89
Couldn't agree more. If Brown is our next coach then its pretty obvious that Petrie is not the one that had input in this decision.
And it would also be obvious that Petrie wouldn't be here for too much longer, either...due to the fact that Brown would probably want to be GM too, and it would so a lot about the direction the Maloofs wanted to go, moreso than Petrie...IMO.
 

HndsmCelt

Hall of Famer
#90
Your lame attempt to compare a dead man to a viable candidate for head coach is weak. Any people I noted are all alive and kicking. Have you ever heard the old saying you can't win em all. At least Larry Brown has won...alot. He knows how. H'e proven it. And recently. Go ahead and settle for a guy who doesn't have a history of success like P.J. or Scott brooks . Or better yet settle for a guy who has no history of coaching in the NBA like Reggie Theus. Maybe you'll get lucky. I'm betting you wont. I'll take my chances with a proven winner.
Brown was MUCH worse than unsuccessfull with a group of misfits in NY. It was clear all seaosn long that he not only did not have a clue, he did not even care. He collected his 10 mill and quit. (not necessarly in that order) The sad thing is that now 3 years later he wants to try and rehab his reputation. A good start would have been accepting the buy out offer from NY with the dignity of a leader who knew he faild. He took no responsablity for that debacle what so ever. Were I seriously interviewing him for the job my first question would be tell us everything you did wrong in NY then tell us how you propose to do better here.

Now you may interpet my attempt at humor as a lame attempt to compare a living candidate with a dead man, but I seriously think you miss the crucial point I was makeing wih humor. No matter how good Larry Brown WAS, it was clear in NY those days are gone and THAT coach is dead. Therefore he is no more viable an alternative than Red.

The meere fact Brown has won the Championship doe NOT make him a better choce than candidates that have not won. Plenty of better coaches have no rings (Sloan & Adelman to name two). What Brown has is a track record and while that might be an advantage over guys with no record at all, when the record you bring with you is a long career of hit and run coaching, leaving franchises in shambles and never acknowlaging your errors, Im not sure that IS an advantage over the guy with no record what so ever. I have no Idea what Theus can or would do, nor Brooks or Shaw for that matter, and I have never advocated FOR any of them. But I have seen what Brown can do I will stand by my first post in this thread where I some what sarcastically suggested the Maloofs ought to charge him 2 million to let him lead the team into the lotto next season.
 
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