Vegas Summer League: Halfway Home Awards

JasonThompsonFan

JasonThompsonFan

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Oskor

Oskor

Bench
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Don't forget the part about Donte at the bottom:

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I almost expected JT to be on that list.
 
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VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
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JasonThompsonFan said:
I know I was going to copy the entire article but the moderator on this board always shortens it when I do that. So I was just saving him the work. lol
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http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/statistics/index.jsp

While you're getting the idea, the guideline is that you only post a couple of lines at the most and the link. This isn't our idea. This is a legal thing to prevent copyright violation and possible legal action.

Unless you're willing to pony up all the money it would cost to fight a legal fight - which we would LOSE, BTW - you REALLY need to take this seriously. We have to.
 
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AriesMar27

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better, no... different, definitely.... like brandon roy isnt really better than martin, just different. if teams could redo that draft martin would be taken a lot higher.... he is now easily the biggest steal of that draft class...

but evans should be on the all rookie team. i hope thompson plays well enough to be on the sophmore team. we as kings fans need something to cheer for during the all star weekend besides resting our often injured players.
 
JasonThompsonFan

JasonThompsonFan

G-League
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Dude what is your problem? I am taking it serious that's why I posted it the way I did. I can't win with you, you complain when I post the entire thing and you complain when I do it the right way. I thought I was going to get a thank you message and instead you continue to be on your power trip. Whatever.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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JasonThompsonFan said:
Dude what is your problem? I am taking it serious that's why I posted it the way I did. I can't win with you, you complain when I post the entire thing and you complain when I do it the right way. I thought I was going to get a thank you message and instead you continue to be on your power trip. Whatever.
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Don't take this one personally -- it wasn't about you and the effort was appreciated. It just so happens that the blog owner of this article (Henry Abbot -- not the author, but its Abbot's blog)) is a tool we have had specific problems with in the past. The opening paragraph and link thing is a good rule anyway to avoid problems, but in this case in particular the extra edit was a must just to avoid any problems.
 
Geoff

Geoff

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JasonThompsonFan said:
Dude what is your problem? I am taking it serious that's why I posted it the way I did. I can't win with you, you complain when I post the entire thing and you complain when I do it the right way. I thought I was going to get a thank you message and instead you continue to be on your power trip. Whatever.
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additionally, VF21 is a lady. Treat her nice, or she'll rip your head off :D
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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AriesMar27 said:
better, no... different, definitely.... like brandon roy isnt really better than martin, just different. if teams could redo that draft martin would be taken a lot higher.... he is now easily the biggest steal of that draft class...

but evans should be on the all rookie team. i hope thompson plays well enough to be on the sophmore team. we as kings fans need something to cheer for during the all star weekend besides resting our often injured players.
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No, Roy is better than Martin. All skillsets are not equal. The one where you can create for others as well as yourself is better than pretty much any other. Roy is a borderline franchise player. The least of the Kobe/LeBron class players. But the least of the Kobe/LeBron class players is better than the best of anybody else.

This is also why there should be real interest from Kings fandom in Evans -- he has that skillset too. Just a question whether he's good enough with it to join the elite players, or he becomes a lesser play who needs the ball too much to do his thing.
 
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Kingsguy881

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AriesMar27 said:
better, no... different, definitely.... like brandon roy isnt really better than martin, just different. if teams could redo that draft martin would be taken a lot higher.... he is now easily the biggest steal of that draft class...

but evans should be on the all rookie team. i hope thompson plays well enough to be on the sophmore team. we as kings fans need something to cheer for during the all star weekend besides resting our often injured players.
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HAHA, no. Look, I said my last post at you would be my last one to you but this can't be ignored. Even just looking at their stats you can see Roy is better than Martin. Roy has shown he can carry a team, Martin has shown that he can't, or he gets injured when he tries. Sorry, Roy is already better than Martin and probably always will be unless Keving can come up with some sort of all around game to add to his scoring.
 
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AriesMar27

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i like roy, im not knocking roy or his game.... but he and martin arent that far apart in terms of overall talent. a good but not great sg. same thing goes for ellis, gordon, gay(sf) and granger.... they have the potential to be great but havent gotten there yet. martin at his best could be on a similar level as reggie miller if martin really puts his mind to it. roy will never be kobe or lebron and neither will martin. they both will always be a level below them. that why i said he isnt really better. there are things that he does better.

if roy had martins speed and shooting ability he would be an elite player. if martin had roys passing and ball handling he would be an elite player. yes, there is a definite edge for roy but its not as big of a gap as evreyone is making it out to be.
 
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rhythmless

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AriesMar27 said:
better, no... different, definitely.... like brandon roy isnt really better than martin, just different.
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Brandon Roy is not only better, but REALLY better than Martin. Roy is a better finisher, a better slasher, ball handler, passer, defender, clutch player, go to player. He is a star already, and I don't throw "all star" and "star" and "great" around lightly. Roy has an innate grasp of the game, whereas Martin's best trait is getting fouled (which fails down the stretch of close games). Few current shooting guards have the ability to impose their own tempos in games. Kobe, Wade, AI (not anymore), Tmac (not anymore), and Roy. That's the list. That's it. He's in elite company.
 
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rhythmless

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AriesMar27 said:
i like roy, im not knocking roy or his game.... but he and martin arent that far apart in terms of overall talent. a good but not great sg. same thing goes for ellis, gordon, gay(sf) and granger.... they have the potential to be great but havent gotten there yet. martin at his best could be on a similar level as reggie miller if martin really puts his mind to it. roy will never be kobe or lebron and neither will martin. they both will always be a level below them. that why i said he isnt really better. there are things that he does better.

if roy had martins speed and shooting ability he would be an elite player. if martin had roys passing and ball handling he would be an elite player. yes, there is a definite edge for roy but its not as big of a gap as evreyone is making it out to be.
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Out of all the young guards, Roy actually has the best chance to be a Kobe than anyone else. Have you watched Roy play? Have you actually sat through full games of his?

Martin shoots the 3 at a better clip than Roy, but Roy is shooting a far better overall percentage than Roy. Roy makes his team better. He is a number 1 player. He is a go to player. He has already shown that. Martin has not.

Roy has an asst/to ratio close to 2:1, while Martin is 1:1.

Roy is at the bottom of star quality right now. He is there. He broke into the bubble. Martin is at the top of "good" player. The line between those two categories is thick.
 
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AriesMar27

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i dunno, mayo or durant just might become that player before roy....

i have watched tons of blazers games over the past 2 seasons. roy is a good player. but just like martin i dont see that fire that players like kobe and lebron have... i know when kobe and lebron will take over games... i havent seen that from martin or roy yet. those moments when we all know that they are going to throw caution to the wind and just be dominant. rudy did that more times than roy last year, its part of the reason why he's so popular.

and is roy really their number 1 option? it looks like aldridge is their go to guy more times than not. short of a bailout 3 its usually aldridge. roy is a smart player who plays within the parameters of their offense, so does martin. the difference is that the blazers are a better team and roy is asked to do more. no one here is asking martin to set up other players because we've given up on the idea of him being that type of player. because we all wanted a pass first pg...
 
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Kingsguy881

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Roy has triple double capability. Martin, not so much. Roy hits clutch shots at a much better clip than Martin (2, San Antonio and Chicago).
 
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rhythmless

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AriesMar27 said:
and is roy really their number 1 option? it looks like aldridge is their go to guy more times than not. short of a bailout 3 its usually aldridge. roy is a smart player who plays within the parameters of their offense, so does martin. the difference is that the blazers are a better team and roy is asked to do more. no one here is asking martin to set up other players because we've given up on the idea of him being that type of player. because we all wanted a pass first pg...
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Roy is their number 1 option in that he initiates the offense, and decides whether to set someone up, or get a play for himself.

Roy is a smarter player than Martin, in that he does not force the issue as much. Roy is a better 1v1 player, and better passer out of the drive (to someone in a position to score). Your last part says a lot: we have given up on Martin as a #1. Roy is being built as a #1. If Martin had the talent that Roy had, we would have asked him to distribute more because that was one of our biggest weaknesses last year. You stick Martin on the Blazers, and they will be worse. Take Roy on our team instead of Martin, we would be quite a bit better. Take Martin away from our team, and insert an average sg, and then take Roy from their team, and insert an avg sg. Blazers team would fall farther than ours would. Roy is more integral, and critical to team success than Martin is. There really is no comparison between the two.
 
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AriesMar27

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Kingsgurl881 said:
Roy has triple double capability. Martin, not so much. Roy hits clutch shots at a much better clip than Martin (2, San Antonio and Chicago).
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lamar odom has triple double capability... so what... like i said the blazers are a better team and roy is asked to do a lot more than martin. if we were to swap players we would still be bottom dwellers record wise.

and yes, i have watched tons of blazers games. hell ive watched more blazers in the past 2 seasons than kings games. i had league pass and watched tons of games from both players. maybe this is one of those grass is always greener situations...
 
DavisAggie

DavisAggie

G-League
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JasonThompsonFan said:
Dude what is your problem? I am taking it serious that's why I posted it the way I did. I can't win with you, you complain when I post the entire thing and you complain when I do it the right way. I thought I was going to get a thank you message and instead you continue to be on your power trip. Whatever.
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I’m on this message board EVERYDAY but I do not post and this is the reason why. She’s a lady but ladies can be bullies too. I just refuse to post even though I feel like I have some positive, informative points I could add to many of the post on here. And whatever you do don't disagree with her or you will continue to see a serious power trip.


And I’m pretty sure this is going to be deleted …
 
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rhythmless

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DavisAggie said:
I’m on this message board EVERYDAY but I do not post and this is the reason why. She’s a lady but ladies can be bullies too. I just refuse to post even though I feel like I have some positive, informative points I could add to many of the post on here. And whatever you do don't disagree with her or you will continue to see a serious power trip.


And I’m pretty sure this is going to be deleted …
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*gasp* how dare you.
 
Dreadnought

Dreadnought

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DavisAggie said:
I’m on this message board EVERYDAY but I do not post and this is the reason why. She’s a lady but ladies can be bullies too. I just refuse to post even though I feel like I have some positive, informative points I could add to many of the post on here. And whatever you do don't disagree with her or you will continue to see a serious power trip.


And I’m pretty sure this is going to be deleted …
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This deserves some claps.

And now we're all going to be permabanned.
 
Grawlix

Grawlix

G-League
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DavisAggie said:
I’m on this message board EVERYDAY but I do not post and this is the reason why. She’s a lady but ladies can be bullies too. I just refuse to post even though I feel like I have some positive, informative points I could add to many of the post on here. And whatever you do don't disagree with her or you will continue to see a serious power trip.


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WOW. I thought I was the only one. Sometimes you can't take this site seriously because of the ego battles and drama. I have followed this site for years and have never gotten any respect when I have given my opinion. (Hence the 15 posts)

The forum suffers because of this.

Good show.
 
vikinginferno

vikinginferno

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DavisAggie said:
I’m on this message board EVERYDAY but I do not post and this is the reason why. She’s a lady but ladies can be bullies too. I just refuse to post even though I feel like I have some positive, informative points I could add to many of the post on here. And whatever you do don't disagree with her or you will continue to see a serious power trip.


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Haha, I have to agree... But we should stay on topic which is talking about the vegas summer leagues halfway awards.
 
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Kingsguy881

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DavisAggie said:
I’m on this message board EVERYDAY but I do not post and this is the reason why. She’s a lady but ladies can be bullies too. I just refuse to post even though I feel like I have some positive, informative points I could add to many of the post on here. And whatever you do don't disagree with her or you will continue to see a serious power trip.


And I’m pretty sure this is going to be deleted …
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I'm sure you have found other boards to post on......
 
xyrin

xyrin

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DavisAggie said:
I’m on this message board EVERYDAY but I do not post and this is the reason why. She’s a lady but ladies can be bullies too. I just refuse to post even though I feel like I have some positive, informative points I could add to many of the post on here. And whatever you do don't disagree with her or you will continue to see a serious power trip.


And I’m pretty sure this is going to be deleted …
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I completely agree with you. I even brought it up with her in a pm, and she basically shrugged it off, saying most people appreciate her. Of course, all of our posts will probably be deleted, and if not that the topic will most likely be closed. Maybe because she'll claim its "off topic" (I'm glad we are so severely limited in our conversation capabilities here!), but we'll know its because of dissent.
 
Warhawk

Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
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I'm glad you guys want to get this off your chest, but your posts will not be deleted. All you have to do is follow the posting rules, and no problems. Some of you in particular have had your little fun trying to poke sticks at the moderators for doing their jobs making this board different than those at other locations. Those will be slapped down.

We like it the way it is here. We do not delete posts for opinions, we delete them for personal attacks, spam, and other non-acceptable posts (vulgar language, inappropriate photos, etc.) We are frequently told how much it is appreciated that these forums are more family-friendly. And we intend to keep it that way.

It's not personal. It's not arbitrary. It is enforcing the rules. Read them. Follow them. No problem.

Have a nice day.
 
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