US Open

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#31
I cannot remember a US Open with this much GOOD, exciting tennis in the early rounds.

The matches yesterday kept me glued to the TV virtually all day. The match IVote4Replay mentioned above was really, really good - and I thoroughly enjoyed it. The Williams sisters were, IMHO, a disappointment. I was pleased with the outcome but it certainly didn't look like some of the Venus-Serena matches from years past.

I'm not looking forward to the Agassi-Blake match. I like both of them and don't want to think about one of them losing to the other this soon...
 
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IVote4Replay said:
All I can say is WOW.... that was a good match... for those who don't know which one it was:

Sanguinetti VS. Srichiphan

(AT LEAST LEAVE THIER NAMES, VF- you took out everything- i thought u only wanted to remove the scores. That's fine.. but leave the names)

that was such an exciting match- not like a few yrs ago when Sampras beat Courier despite vomiting, but still- both players played their guts out...


That wasn't Sampras-Courier, that was Sampras-Corretja, QF 1996 US Open. Sampras had that (in)famous crying moment against Courier, at the Aussie Open'95 QF.

If you took away Sampras's vomiting, it wasn't really that great of a match I think -- Pete really played mediocre.


VF21 said:
I cannot remember a US Open with this much GOOD, exciting tennis in the early rounds.

The matches yesterday kept me glued to the TV virtually all day. The match IVote4Replay mentioned above was really, really good - and I thoroughly enjoyed it. The Williams sisters were, IMHO, a disappointment. I was pleased with the outcome but it certainly didn't look like some of the Venus-Serena matches from years past.

I'm not looking forward to the Agassi-Blake match. I like both of them and don't want to think about one of them losing to the other this soon...
Now I am curious. What Williams-Williams match are you talking about it? Their matches have *always* been filled with Unforced Errors. They have always been very ugly matches.

This match you could see it coming though. Serena hasn't done all that much lately, as she's been struggling with injuries and whatnot.
 
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IVote4Replay said:
my bad...Now that you said it- you're right, it was Corretja- yeah: that had to be one of the best matches I've seen..
Personally I think it was the drama ("Vomitus Maximus" -- Paul Annacone after the match) at the end which made it great, not so much the tennis itself.

Not that I mind the drama though, not at all ;)
 

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Kajun said:
Now I am curious. What Williams-Williams match are you talking about it? Their matches have *always* been filled with Unforced Errors. They have always been very ugly matches.

This match you could see it coming though. Serena hasn't done all that much lately, as she's been struggling with injuries and whatnot.
Whatever.

I usually enjoy their matches because they're competitive and it's generally obvious that neither of them wants or is willing to give up without a fight. I didn't see that yesterday.
 
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VF21 said:
Whatever.

I usually enjoy their matches because they're competitive and it's generally obvious that neither of them wants or is willing to give up without a fight. I didn't see that yesterday.
That argument goes for quite alot of WTA players. I don't see the 'extra' competitiveness in the Williams matches.

A big reason why they've not played their best matches against each other is because it's hard playing your sibling. Tennis players already find it hard to play their friends on the tour, so playing your family should be even worse.

Again, I don't think you could have expected much from this match in particular, given their
a) History
b) Serena having had injury problems recently
 

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What's your point? You may view matches differently than I do. It doesn't make either of our opinions better (or worse) than the other...

Dude, I was just making a general comment. I'm not going to argue because I quite frankly don't care that much.
 
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VF21 said:
What's your point? You may view matches differently than I do. It doesn't make either of our opinions better (or worse) than the other...

Dude, I was just making a general comment. I'm not going to argue because I quite frankly don't care that much.
My point was just they definitely do not play their best matches against each other. You thought otherwise obviously, and I just was curious why you thought about it. You said it was their competitiveness that draws your attention.I disagreed in my last post. It wasn't about "my view is better than yours", I was just hoping to draw something more than your "general comment".

That's why I asked you which match from the past you thought they were playing well.

Another reason why I think their matches never really live up to the hype, is that they both play hit-and-miss type of tennis. Tennis is at its best when contrasting styles (and personalities) match up -- exactly what made Sampras-Agassi so compelling to follow.
 
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IVote4Replay said:
I absolutely loved that Sampras-Agassi rivelry... especially growing up on tennis..
Yeah. I totally miss the buzz that surrounded their matches. It was extraordinary. They brought each other's games to new levels..

That is what Federer needs right now. A rivalry. Personally, I'd rather see Federer-Safin than Federer-Nadal.
 

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#42
If you're on the West Coast, and you're not watching the Blake-Robredo match right now, turn over to it immediately. If you don't, you may regret it.
 
#43
I've been watching tennis for a long time and don't remember seeing such high quality tennis consistently, except maybe back in the Borg-McEnroe era. It's going to take me a while to watch all my tapes. I hope Blake and Ginepri keep up their level of play, it's nice to see them both finally do well.
I haven't seen the Venus-Serena match so really cannot comment but in the past their meetings have been disappointing. I'm not sure if it was nerves at playing their sister but matches were filled with a lot of errors.
As far as a rivalry, I'd love to see Nadal-Federer develop one. It's just beginning but Federer is just at different level from everyone else.
I'm also glad to see Agassi playing well, he's been played by his back injury and so has had a very disappointing year so far.
Thank you VF, it's much more exciting to watch a match when you don't know the outcome. I'm as caught up as I'm going to get for now so go ahead and post scores but there may be others who don't want to know so still please use spoiler.
 
#45
kingsgurl87 said:
I'm predicting that the final will be between Venus and Sharapova, and Venus will win...:)

unfortunately , they're in the same half of the draw so they'll meet in the semis on Thursday, assuming they both win tonight. Venus has very tough match against Clijsters who was playing better than anyone right before the tournament started. She does have the tendency to choke though so we'll see. Should be great match.
 
#47
Looking forward to Agassi vs Blake tomorrow. As much as I love James, I'd love to see Andre win this one. I think James is gonna be dangerous going into it playing the best tennis he's ever played and with nothing to lose, but I still think Andre can pull this off. Among everyone left in the men's draw, I'd love to see Andre go all the way to the title... Great run for Robby Ginepri, too, btw.

This Open has had some really good matches, but I still miss Safin. :D

On the women's side, I'd love to see a Clijsters-Davenport final.
 

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#48
fishgirl - I'm the exact opposite about Andre and James. As much as I have enjoyed watching Andre all these years, I would absolutely LOVE to see Blake win. He has worked very, very hard; overcome almost unbelievable hardships; etc. If he continues to play tomorrow as well as he has thus far, he deserves the win.
 
#49
I am hoping for Agassi to win, since Blake beat my favorite player. Right now, Sharapova and Petreva is a GREAT match and another great match to come is Kim Clisjters and Venus Williams. Great tennis!!
 
#50
great tennis tonite. I'm torn in the Blake-Agassi. I like them both but have to pull for Andre (by small margin). I think he wants to go out on top like Sampras and winning the Open would do it. He's had rough year professionally with his injuries and the way he played against Malisse was incredible, especially for his age. You would think he was 20 again after playing 5 sets, he didn't even look tired. Balke's going to continue to improve and will have other chances but Agassi may not. They're both playing so well though, it's hard to choose between them.
 
#51
VF - Yeah I'm torn, actually. But my sentimental side favors Andre, even though of course, we know what James has been through the past year. Strangely enough, I never really have been a big Agassi fan (and I've been a Blake fan since 2002), but for some reason, I wanna see Andre win this title just one more time. Does that even make sense? :D No matter what happens, should be a good match.
 
#55
Much as I want Americans to win, I'm happy for Kim, she's too good never to have won a major. Maybe this will be the one, cough*choke*cough.
Ready for blake-agassi, I'm hoping this is the match of the tournament. it would be hard to top the Blake-Nadal match though, still haven't finished watching it but it's a classic.
What's the deal with Coria?:( That Massu match was starting to get out of control. Mocking someone's injury is not cool and that's not the first time he's been in controversial situation. It looked like they were getting ready to fight when the ref stepped in. He needs to grow up and just play!
 
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loopymitch said:
great tennis tonite. I'm torn in the Blake-Agassi. I like them both but have to pull for Andre (by small margin). I think he wants to go out on top like Sampras and winning the Open would do it. He's had rough year professionally with his injuries and the way he played against Malisse was incredible, especially for his age. You would think he was 20 again after playing 5 sets, he didn't even look tired. Balke's going to continue to improve and will have other chances but Agassi may not. They're both playing so well though, it's hard to choose between them.
Agassi has such a great fitness routine that allows him to last in these 5-setters. The real problem comes, as he's said in several interviews, when he has to recuperate during the day off. He's obviously not the youngest tennis player anymore, and often he'll feel the result of having gone through a tough 5-setter.

Personally, I don't think he can do it. He has a tough match ahead of him in Blake -- it will likely be four or even five sets. Should he pass that test, he will have to go through a back-to-back semifinal (likely to be vs Ginepri), and a final (probably Federer -- but he has to beat Nalbandian first). The odds are certainly against him then. In 2002 he was clearly a bit tired in the final vs Sampras, which explained his flatness in that match (coupled with Sampras's explosive start, Sampras just blew him away in the first two sets until Pete got tired himself).

I really love the US Open, as it offers some of the best matches you'll see on the Tour. It is also a great measuring stick -- only the really good / great players win it. Historically, it's been almost always won by a #1 player (during the player's career - not necessarily at the time of winning). But if there's one thing I hate -- and you've seen several top players complain about it -- is the fact they have to hold back-to-back semis and finals. Sure, it makes up for a great Super Saturday, but it seriously hurts the quality of the final out there. Also, the player who wins first on Super Saturday has a huge advantage over the winner of the second semifinal, as the latter will have less time to recuperate, especially if the semifinal goes the distance.

Tennis players aren't as a big an athletes as say, NBA Players are, but there should be no question that tennis can be a *very* demanding sport. It is a sport which virtually has no offseason (pretty much only december, and even then, you have to train to get ready for the Australian Open which starts first week of January).


loopymitch said:
Much as I want Americans to win, I'm happy for Kim, she's too good never to have won a major. Maybe this will be the one, cough*choke*cough.
Ready for blake-agassi, I'm hoping this is the match of the tournament. it would be hard to top the Blake-Nadal match though, still haven't finished watching it but it's a classic.
What's the deal with Coria?:( That Massu match was starting to get out of control. Mocking someone's injury is not cool and that's not the first time he's been in controversial situation. It looked like they were getting ready to fight when the ref stepped in. He needs to grow up and just play!
Kim can't choke forever. She *has* to win at some point. Even Novotna managed to win Wimbledon finally, as did Ivanisevic. You could probably name a few more players.

Coria can act as a kid sometimes. Looking like kid does not help either.


Like I said before, Federer will have a tough time beating Nalbandian. Nalbandian used to be Federer's angstgegner, and I don't know if that has changed.
 
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^^ I LOVE the US Open, too. Regarding the back-to-back semis and finals, yeah it does take a toll on the players, especially if they go to five. The women have it easier, because even though they play on consecutive days, they get a reprieve from the heat and get a bit of a rest with their final scheduled for the evening session. The men get the tougher schedule, no doubt.

I also agree that "tennis can be a *very* demanding sport." They barely have an offseason, what with having to keep training and a lot of their charity events are scheduled around December, which is pretty much the only month they get off. It's tough playing week in, week out, not to mention flying from one part of the world to another. Marat Safin was vocal about the tour schedule, and he received a bit of criticism for it but I believe a lot of the players agree with his sentiments. I'd say the schedule contributes to injury, and it's not even because of a lack of conditioning. Players are getting fatigued and are stretched too much to continue to play at a level that sometimes their bodies are unable to catch up.

Btw, Kajun, you mentioned the Aussie Open starts first week of January. I believe it's the last week. They usually have tune-ups during early January, right? ;)


Go Kim!!!
 
#58
Just watched the Lindsay match, that was great tennis. I've never seen Dementieva play so well and she put on some weight which is good, she was looking way too thin. It's a shame Lindsay lost, she'd been playing so well. I've been very impressed with the level of women's tennis this year. Outstanding!
Now for the big match, been looking forward to this all day.
 
#59
That Lindsay/Elena D. match was great!! It really went down to the wire... Actually, the whole night, Lindsay had bad body language. She never really seemed to get into the game. I remember when in the 2nd set, she was up like 4 to 1 and she looked like she was losing!! Big Ups to Elena though- she played really well- despite her crappy looking tosses...

Oh well- good undercard for the main event!!:

Agassi vs. Blake!!

Its almost 10:20pm right now and I haven't stayed up this late to watch tennis in a long time!! =)