Showtime
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And it's not like he had anything to do with that season. He came in the middle of the year, and played only a handful of games because Natt is a moron.
Update on the Ike situation...
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And it's not like he had anything to do with that season. He came in the middle of the year, and played only a handful of games because Natt is a moron.
kennadog
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I'm not against signing him, but one of the very few bright spots? A guy who was drafted in 2005, has been on four teams in four years and his best games with us came at the very end of the season when many teams were shutting it down already?
Wow, if that's a bright spot, we are in worse shape than I thought and and I already thought it was terrible last season.
Showtime
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Billups had a similar slow start. He needed to find his game and his place in the league.
Ike, however, needs the league to understand his place. His place is as a post scorer. Teams keep trying to make him a 15 minute per game Scot Pollard, and that's not his game. That would be like asking Al Jefferson just to rebound and defend. Al's strength is as a post scorer. Diogu, while not being on the same level as Jefferson as a player, is the same type of player. His strength is with the ball on the block, looking to score. If teams realized that, and used him as an offensive threat off the bench, he might not have been traded so much.
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King Baller
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Ike might end up on the Kings. But Ike and his agent have to realize that he has not shown much yet. Ike needs to sign a short term deal and prove he is worth more. If he can score the ball like he did in those last few mop up games on a REGULAR basis then he will get the $$$.
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SacTownKid
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I don't think Denver was "shutting it down". Teams that are "shutting it down" don't usually play their starters the way they did.
kingsnation
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Just because starters were actually playing, doesn't mean they weren't "shutting it down."
What he said.
Petrie must be looking to trade......
No wonder it's all quiet on the western front.
......Have you seen what FA centers are out there? Ratliff , Swift, Petro?
No wonder it's all quiet on the western front.
bajaden
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I would work if we were to give up our rights to Diogu thereby giving us the cap space to absorb the extra salary.
bajaden
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Except a couple of years ago we weren't in the position of rebuilding we are now! We're apparently not looking into keeping a particular young talent that flashed and we are a young rebuilding team. To me, there is less of an excuse to do that than ever before.
Tired of the comments? Then don't read them, but to associate a completely different time period with this one as a reasoning is completely baseless. A lot changes in a few years. This situation is different than even the trades that I mentioned, but it might be a sign that you cant teach an old dog new tricks. It might be a different example and a new way of inconsistency in Petries approach.
Pretty sure Steven Hunter retired because of his knees. Joel Anthony had his qualifying offer picked up by Miami, so... and Ryan Hollins will probably be going back to Dallas. Swift is a bust of all busts, with bad knees, I still think there might be some potential there however. Pops? Maybe, but once again, saving 1 million dollars or whatever it would to take a step down talent wise is exactly the problem I'm having. I can understand dumping off Brad Miller and John Salmons in a completely one sided talent swap for money, but cheaping out in this style? C'mon man.
I guess I just don't get when Diogu became the end all be all. He had two good games at the end of the season. If the Kings aren't interested there has to be a reason. A reason that neither I and I might add you aren't privy to. The reason I brought up two years ago was because the comments were almost exactly the same.
If the Kings sign a player, and he doesn't work out, they're criticized. But if they don't sign a player, one that you think they should. Then they get criticized again. Yes, they're in a rebuild and the last thing they need to do is rush to judgement on a player like Diogu. Personally, if they want to sign him to a minimum contract, I'm fine with that. But if they don't, I'm fine with that too. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
What if they have a trade in the works to land someone of significance. They just forgot to inform you and I about it. They're bad. What if Diogu wants more than the minumum, and a longer contract than one or two years. And once again they forgot to inform you and I about it. I'm not so contentious as to think I know everything thats going on, and I can then pass judgement. Its an abstract argument. Its creating a scenario that may or may not exist and then criticizing management for not acting on a set of non-existing or imagined facts.
Its also possible the his agent is lying. We all know that agents don't lie. All I'm saying is that we don't have all the facts. When I ran my own business and I had problems with an employee, I had to make sure I had all the facts before I made a decision on said employee. By the same token, I can't be critical of Petrie for something he didn't do when I don't know all the facts involved. To me, thats just common sense. And to do otherwise doesn't make sense to me.
I will admit that I'm a glass half full person. An optimist. Its been proven that if you put one negative person in a room with 20 positive people. The negative person will bring down the positive people and not the other way around. Thats because negativism is a powerful emotion and a defeating one. When I was in a fox hole in Vietnam, the last person I wanted in that hole with me was someone yelling, Were all going to die!
There's plenty of time to be critical and negative later when the season begins. Or when we actually sign or trade for someone. At the moment, other than our draft picks, there's not too much to be critical of. Unless you want to make a big deal out of summer league play. By you, I don't mean you personally.
Robert Swift had torn meniscus in his knee or knee's. Its painful but not career ending. I've had it myself. He averaged almost one blocked shot a game in very limited minutes, and rebounded well for limited minutes. He's a little risky but he's also very young.
The list I gave you is the official NBA list. It was updated yesterday, so unless Joel Anthony was given a qualifying offer under the table after the deadline, he's still a free agent.
Steven Hunter hasn't retired, but as I said, he would be a risky signing whereas his knee injury was very serious.
Unless you have personal knowledge of what Hollins is going to do, then your just guessing. It might be a good guess, but guessing non the less.
There's also Jamaal Magloire. Not my personl choice but he's out there.
Most of these guys wound'nt cost much so thats why I brought them up. Personally I think that if anyone that would make an impact is coming here it will be via trade. Its still very early in the off-season. There's a lot of time to get things done.
HighTopKicks
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You missed the 1st part of the deal.
He already used the cap space to get Korver + Fesenko
SacTownKid
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I guess I just don't get when Diogu became the end all be all. He had two good games at the end of the season. If the Kings aren't interested there has to be a reason. A reason that neither I and I might add you aren't privy to. The reason I brought up two years ago was because the comments were almost exactly the same.
If the Kings sign a player, and he doesn't work out, they're criticized. But if they don't sign a player, one that you think they should. Then they get criticized again. Yes, they're in a rebuild and the last thing they need to do is rush to judgement on a player like Diogu. Personally, if they want to sign him to a minimum contract, I'm fine with that. But if they don't, I'm fine with that too. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
What if they have a trade in the works to land someone of significance. They just forgot to inform you and I about it. They're bad. What if Diogu wants more than the minumum, and a longer contract than one or two years. And once again they forgot to inform you and I about it. I'm not so contentious as to think I know everything thats going on, and I can then pass judgement. Its an abstract argument. Its creating a scenario that may or may not exist and then criticizing management for not acting on a set of non-existing or imagined facts.
Its also possible the his agent is lying. We all know that agents don't lie. All I'm saying is that we don't have all the facts. When I ran my own business and I had problems with an employee, I had to make sure I had all the facts before I made a decision on said employee. By the same token, I can't be critical of Petrie for something he didn't do when I don't know all the facts involved. To me, thats just common sense. And to do otherwise doesn't make sense to me.
I will admit that I'm a glass half full person. An optimist. Its been proven that if you put one negative person in a room with 20 positive people. The negative person will bring down the positive people and not the other way around. Thats because negativism is a powerful emotion and a defeating one. When I was in a fox hole in Vietnam, the last person I wanted in that hole with me was someone yelling, Were all going to die!
There's plenty of time to be critical and negative later when the season begins. Or when we actually sign or trade for someone. At the moment, other than our draft picks, there's not too much to be critical of. Unless you want to make a big deal out of summer league play. By you, I don't mean you personally.
Robert Swift had torn meniscus in his knee or knee's. Its painful but not career ending. I've had it myself. He averaged almost one blocked shot a game in very limited minutes, and rebounded well for limited minutes. He's a little risky but he's also very young.
The list I gave you is the official NBA list. It was updated yesterday, so unless Joel Anthony was given a qualifying offer under the table after the deadline, he's still a free agent.
Steven Hunter hasn't retired, but as I said, he would be a risky signing whereas his knee injury was very serious.
Unless you have personal knowledge of what Hollins is going to do, then your just guessing. It might be a good guess, but guessing non the less.
There's also Jamaal Magloire. Not my personl choice but he's out there.
Most of these guys wound'nt cost much so thats why I brought them up. Personally I think that if anyone that would make an impact is coming here it will be via trade. Its still very early in the off-season. There's a lot of time to get things done.
The odds of being criticized too heavily over what should most likely be a fairly short term and low money pick up are pretty low. That is the reason I don't understand it. There is almost no reason not to at least look at bringing him back and fear of making huge mistake over this? After Petrie has picked up and/or signed more than a few not so great contracts? I don't think so.
If a big deal is in the works why are they are picking up May or at least interested? I'd figure both players are in the same boat or near it in terms of what they are worth from a financial standpoint. Where's the "big" deal again?
Once again, if Ike wants more than the minimum or is asking for too much money, good, let him go. So far the indications are they haven't even contacted him to find out what his demands are!
The agent could be lying, but that involves far too much speculation, far more than enough to contradict the information we have in front of us now. There is no smoke in regards to our interest in Ike, so there is most likely no fire.
Optimism is fine, and there are plenty of things to be optimistic about, but when you feel something is wrong or inconsistent in someones approach, sometimes it's better to speak up. Those that blindly follow might be blindly following into oblivion.
Check the link:
http://http://www.nba.com/heat/news/qualifying_offers_anthony_moon.html
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bajaden
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Sorry, the link didn't work for me for some reason, but I'll take your word for it. Usually the NBA website is up to date and they show him being a freeagent.
As for the rest, If you knew me, you would know that there's one thing I'm not and thats a blind follower. I didn't imply such about you and if directed toward me, I take it as an insult.
As for the rest. You have no imformation in front of you. All you have is an agent saying he's had no contact from the Kings. If you know anything about Petrie, its that he doesn't air his deals in public. You usually don't know anything until it happens. But thats beside the point. This isn't really about Petrie or his agent. Its about you having to be right. Even about the free agents I suggested. If it doesn't come from you, then its wrong. And please, there's no need to respond, because I've had enough. You've won. You and all the negative people out there. This is my last post on this fourm. I appreciate all the good people here. All the knowledgable people. But I can't stand the way some people make me feel.
In my real life, I refuse to associate with negative people as friends. And I've done my best to tolerate it here. But you win. I simply can't take it anymore. And I've got better things to do with my time.
So thanks to everyone, even you Bricky, but I need a break.....
Maybe I'll change my mind after the air and my head clears. But until then, Adios Amigo's...
SacTownKid
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Sorry, the link didn't work for me for some reason, but I'll take your word for it. Usually the NBA website is up to date and they show him being a freeagent.
As for the rest, If you knew me, you would know that there's one thing I'm not and thats a blind follower. I didn't imply such about you and if directed toward me, I take it as an insult.
As for the rest. You have no imformation in front of you. All you have is an agent saying he's had no contact from the Kings. If you know anything about Petrie, its that he doesn't air his deals in public. You usually don't know anything until it happens. But thats beside the point. This isn't really about Petrie or his agent. Its about you having to be right. Even about the free agents I suggested. If it doesn't come from you, then its wrong. And please, there's no need to respond, because I've had enough. You've won. You and all the negative people out there. This is my last post on this fourm. I appreciate all the good people here. All the knowledgable people. But I can't stand the way some people make me feel.
In my real life, I refuse to associate with negative people as friends. And I've done my best to tolerate it here. But you win. I simply can't take it anymore. And I've got better things to do with my time.
So thanks to everyone, even you Bricky, but I need a break.....
No, no, no, I was just using an example, not saying you were.
If you knew me, I'm not even remotely a negative person, but I do feel this is a negative situation, that's all.
Don't leave on my account! I wasn't trying to bring you down, we have a lot to look forward to and I hope you continue to post here as often as you can. A debates a debate. What's the fun if it's all hugs and kisses!
Telemachus
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Actually, I don't think it involves very much speculation at all to think the agent is lying. He also said that there were 10 teams that had shown interest in Ike. So how come there haven't been any offers? Why try to get the Kings involved at all with 10 teams to deal with? Isn't that kind of insulting to those other teams? I personally don't see the whole point of Ike's agent going to the media about the Kings not showing interest, or the whole point of this discussion. He had two nice games for the Kings, but is still a guy that will sit at the end of the bench next season (most likely) for whatever team picks him up.
SacTownKid
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Except this team possibly.
Telemachus
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I don't know... I think the Kings will be better this year than they were last year, and he couldn't get off the bench until the final games last year. I know their bench is a bit thinner in the frontcourt right now, but that doesn't always mean much. Both Greene and Noc were getting time at the 4 of Ike at the end of last season and likely would again this year.
What I really hope is that there is a trade in the works that will include a player that will help shore up the front court. I know they have added Sean May, but who knows if he will pan out. At the minimum, I guess he is worth a shot. The worst that could happen is that he gets cut.
bajaden
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No, no, no, I was just using an example, not saying you were.
If you knew me, I'm not even remotely a negative person, but I do feel this is a negative situation, that's all.
Don't leave on my account! I wasn't trying to bring you down, we have a lot to look forward to and I hope you continue to post here as often as you can. A debates a debate. What's the fun if it's all hugs and kisses!
Well, its a new day and the sun is shining here as I look out over the bay. Really not much to be upset about. I came back to sign off the fourm and read your response. I reviewed our debate, and came to the conclusion that I was at fault as much as anyone else was. I unfairly came to judgement about you, something I don't do in the real world, and I apologize. My mantra has always been, to not judge people by what others say, but only in how they relate to me. Hitler and a few others excluded. In review, I believe I was a bit too caustic in my first response to you, and you simple defended yourself. Anyway, hardly grounds for blaming you for all the negativism on the fourm.
I've always despised people of the " I'll take my basketball and go home" ilk. And, I believe I sounded that way. I've always disliked quiters. And I also believe I sounded like one. So not wanting to emulate everything I dislike. I won't!
I do want to say one thing about negativism. There is a distinct difference between being negative and being critical. One is, or should be constructive. There's nothing wrong with finding fault with someone's play and saying so. To say someone needs to learn how to use his left hand. Or he needs to learn how to defend the pick and roll. I don't have a problem with. But to just say that someone sucks and the team sucks, I do have a problem with. One is constructive criticizism. The other is just negativism. Negative people will, intentionally or unintentionally suck you into becoming just like them. Thats what was starting to happen to me. Thats my bad, not yours. In fairness to you, you were being critical of particular incidents in Petrie's past history. And thats fair game.
Hopefully we'll have more positive discussions in the future. Until then, enjoy the day, because as Clint Eastwood said in one of his movies. " Tomorrow is promised to no one"
SacTownKid
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Sounds good to me!
Gtronic
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NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- The New Orleans Hornets have signed forward Ike Diogu to a free agent contract, hoping he can provide solid backup minutes behind All-Star David West.
link - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/07/29/diogu.ap/index.html
link - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/07/29/diogu.ap/index.html
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