Tyson Chandler

[Hallama]

First, no way Cuban let's him go. But wouldn't it be fun if Petrie/Maloof's go after him hard and drive up his price for Cuban to pay?

Might hobble his ability to sign or retain some of his roster. Evil?

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Before we can mess around with other teams we have to resign our own center first or else we'll end up with neither.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Chandler isnt leaving Dallas.

If anything though, his play in the Finals just showed us how much we need to resign OUR Tyson Chandler, Mr. Sammy Dalembert.

His price tag is rising though.

 

[mr. moustache]

Chandler isnt leaving Dallas.

If anything though, his play in the Finals just showed us how much we need to resign OUR Tyson Chandler, Mr. Sammy Dalembert.

His price tag is rising though.

Sure, but doesn't the original point still stand? Can a team with capspace make another team pay more for their important player than they want to? Or are you saying if the Kings offer the max to Chandler, that this fact wouldn't make any difference in the negotiations between Dallas and Chandler?

If you have capspace; I think it's in your best interest to make sure the competition doesn't get a good player at a good price. It's a gamble though, a pending offer reduces your flexibility. I'd also never make an offer that I didn't want matched.

 

[bajaden]

I think before we make statements about who is going to resign where, we need to wait till a new CBA is in place. Now I don't know the likelyhood of the owners getting a hard cap. But if they do, and that cap is anwhere between 48 and 58 million, then Chandler isn't resigning with Dallas. Its that simple! So I would hold off on the bold statements until we know what were dealing with.

Even if a hard cap comes in, with a two year grace period in which to get your books in order, I doubt they're going to allow you to go over your current salary base if that base is already higher than the proposed cap.

 

[Bricklayer]

Dallas will find a way to retain Chandler, even if they have to give away other players.

He would be my backup plan if we cannot resign Sammy, but then again under what scenario can we not resign Sammy and yet sign Tyson?

As an aside, the ironic and not surprising thing is that the team that might most lie to have Sammy is precisely Miami, to counter the likes of Chandler. So I will note again, when this style of center is consistently winning championships, and sought by title contending teams (see Perkins, Noah, Bynum etc. etc.) why in hell would we NOT try to resign our own guy. Other than stupidity I mean.

 

[rainmaker]

I think before we make statements about who is going to resign where, we need to wait till a new CBA is in place. Now I don't know the likelyhood of the owners getting a hard cap. But if they do, and that cap is anwhere between 48 and 58 million, then Chandler isn't resigning with Dallas. Its that simple! So I would hold off on the bold statements until we know what were dealing with.

Even if a hard cap comes in, with a two year grace period in which to get your books in order, I doubt they're going to allow you to go over your current salary base if that base is already higher than the proposed cap.

Here's why I disagree, and think it's highly likely Chandler resigns with Dallas.

Barea/Butler/Stevenson all come off the books. Others do as well, but that's just over 16M coming off the books. They could still resign him, for their sake hopefully on a discount, and still be well below their current salary base.

There is already talk of Cuban offering Chandler an extension before the june 31st deadline, which would negate any affect the new CBA would have, unless it's a hard cap which imediately goies into affect. Even then, once Chandler is under contract, I think they would move anyone besides Dirk/Kidd/JT/Marion/Chandler to get under any future hard cap.

My guess is Chandler is locked up before july 1st.

 

[bajaden]

Here's why I disagree, and think it's highly likely Chandler resigns with Dallas.

Barea/Butler/Stevenson all come off the books. Others do as well, but that's just over 16M coming off the books. They could still resign him, for their sake hopefully on a discount, and still be well below their current salary base.

There is already talk of Cuban offering Chandler an extension before the june 31st deadline, which would negate any affect the new CBA would have, unless it's a hard cap which imediately goies into affect. Even then, once Chandler is under contract, I think they would move anyone besides Dirk/Kidd/JT/Marion/Chandler to get under any future hard cap.

My guess is Chandler is locked up before july 1st.

Your right! They could resign him to an extension before the old CBA ends. But your wrong about their salary base. They currently sit at just under 60 mil in payroll for next season, and thats without the players you mentioned being included. So if a hard cap was put in place thats under that 60 mil mark, they would have no wiggle room at all. Now if they can find a way to shed some of the salary that they're commited to, then maybe.

Frankly, I don't really care, and hope I don't have to, because we end up resigning Dalembert. I also have a hard time believing that the owners are going to get a hard cap. Or, if so, a hard cap thats as low as the one they've propossed. Hopefully we'll find out sooner than later..

 

[rainmaker]

Your right! They could resign him to an extension before the old CBA ends. But your wrong about their salary base. They currently sit at just under 60 mil in payroll for next season, and thats without the players you mentioned being included. So if a hard cap was put in place thats under that 60 mil mark, they would have no wiggle room at all. Now if they can find a way to shed some of the salary that they're commited to, then maybe.

Frankly, I don't really care, and hope I don't have to, because we end up resigning Dalembert. I also have a hard time believing that the owners are going to get a hard cap. Or, if so, a hard cap thats as low as the one they've propossed. Hopefully we'll find out sooner than later..

My only point regarding the salary base was that it has no bearing on keeping Chandler is they sign him to an extension before the end of the month. They are free to do it under the current CBA. Then, if there's a hard cap, there will either likely be a grace period which wouldn't affect them for 2-3 years most likely, as they work to get under the hard cap, or if a hard cap goes into effect immediately, they'll most likely be an amnesty rule, where they could pick another contract to drop. I would assume without knowing more, Haywood would then be the one they consider dropping.

I agree I don't care all that much, as Chandler aint coming to northern california.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against retaining Sammy (in fact I think it's critical that we do so). But if we had a chance to sign Chandler instead, for around the same $$$, I'd say definitely. I've wanted him on this team for years.

Now, would it be realistic? Unlikely, unless the cap really comes down on Dallas.

 

[Section 101]

He will be extended before the June 30 deadline.

 

[upinsmoke]

Chandler is out of the question IMO. JJ Barea is seems much more possible to me, of course Beno/Garcia would most likey have to be moved one way or another.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

In terms of this year's production, he's the best UFA out there. Largely because of that, Dallas will fight tooth and nail to resign him. Chandler will probably give the edge to Dallas as well, given that he's won a championship and seems to have good rapport with teammates.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually like Dalembert more than Chandler--Dalembert is much more the iron man (many people forget that Chandler has had injury spats in the past, and as he gets to his 30s his athleticism-based game might suffer more) and IMO more defensively consistent--his impact on the court has been up there in seasons past (it's just that Philly, as with the case of Iguodala, has a bad habit of severely underrating their defensively capable players). Because of that, I'm not sure if Chandler can match this level of production in subsequent years--obviously, a minor slip is nothing--but Dallas has to be a bit skeptical after signing Brendan Haywood to that fat contract a year back. Things that make you go hmmm.

As for JJ Barea, this season he seriously improved by leaps and bounds--a lot of people also forget that he also had a very good regular season. And then he blew up in the playoffs. The guy's absolutely feisty and a fighter, one of the toughest sub-6 foot guards in the league, made even moreso given the lack of uppity athleticism. But he's both quick and shifty quick, uber confident, decisively makes his moves, has the ballhandling skills to get to his interior spots, and the court vision and the dare to make one-hand push passes outside or to cutters. He can take several defenders on, even those that are probably more than 2x athletic than he is. And of course, his defense seriously improved from last year, he draws charges, and is an underrated shooter (those timely threes in the playoffs in particular). In a way, that's sort of poor man's Steve Nash material. He'll definitely be a fat contract, although once again I think the Mavs might hesitate (they have four talented guards of PG size, so the decision might come down to sack Beaubois if Barea comes back).

Again, I'm probably in the minority here, but do we really need Barea when we have a bit of a facsimile in him in...Udrih? And I actually thought Udrih produced one of his better seasons with us this year, and his output in terms of impact was a bit similar to Barea's. Udrih's probably less of a PG, but he has the same daring ability to land in the mid-range (where he's absolutely money) and also has the whirling dervish ability to spin his way to the basket. The difference IMO isn't all that great, and if we're stuck with Udrih we should optimize around him with an athletic speedster type (some say Brandon Knight/Kemba Walker) or if we trade him just get a whole new prototype. So I don't think Barea would be feasible whatever we do.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

First, no way Cuban let's him go. But wouldn't it be fun if Petrie/Maloof's go after him hard and drive up his price for Cuban to pay?

Might hobble his ability to sign or retain some of his roster. Evil?

Which would be an advantage for the Lakers. Which means why the heck would I want that? Let Cuban sign his full roster! I'd MUCH rather see the Mavs repeat than have the stinking Fakers win again.