Tyson Chandler

[Jespher]

Several sources confirm that the New Orleans Hornets are shopping Tyson Chandler for cap flexibility and front court depth. I've posted my excitement about acquiring Chandler many times, and now seems like the perfect time for Geoffe to strike a deal and add some more front court talent to this team. He's still only 26, and a mobile, intimidating shot blocker who can run the floor well and rebound. He has some offensive limitations, but adding him to the core of Spencer and Jason going forward would be a huge step forward in the rebuild. What do you think it would take to make Tyson a King? Here's one idea:

Kings Out:

Andres Nocioni
Beno Udrih
Kenny Thomas

Kings In:

Peja Stojakovic
Tyson Chandler

Hornets Out:

Peja Stojakovic
Tyson Chandler

Hornets In:

Andres Nocioni
Beno Udrih
Kenny Thomas

Why Sacramento Does This: Several reasons. Ultimately, this gives them a 3 headed monster in the post with Chandler, Hawes, and Thompson which is young and can grow as the team gets more competitive, and fills a need for a tough defensive shot blocker who can get out and run. Secondly, Peja Stojakovic can end his career where it began, with the Sacramento Kings, giving occasional bench scoring for a season before his retirement, and leadership for the other young small forwards on the roster. Third, it moves the cancerous contract of Beno Udrih, who is redundant now that Tyreke Evans is in town.

Why Sacramento Doesn't Do This: Peja's whale of a contract, and Tyson's questionable great toe health. Also, they might have plans for Beno going forward, and better suiters for K9's expiring contract.

Why New Orleans Does This: Luxury tax savings! Plus they get rid of Peja Stojakovic's huge contract. Sure they end up with Beno and Nocioni, but as a fringe playoff team, that actually makes them better, and both players are very sercivable. K9 fills in too, as a back-up PF to West, and injury insurance.

Why New Orleans Doesn't Do This: Nocioni and Beno have multi-year contracts which they would have to commit to. For a franchise struggling financially, they might want to find a better deal elsewhere.

Kings New Line-up

PG Tyreke Evans/Sergio Rodriguez/Bobby Jackson?
SG Kevin Martin/Francisco Garcia/Tyreke Evans
SF Francisco Garcia/Dante Greene/Omri Casspi/Peja Stojakovic (Injury Prone)
PF Jason Thompson/Jon Brockman/Ike Diogu?/Omri and Dante Spot Minutes
C Spencer Hawes/Tyson Chandler

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I'm all for adding Chandler to this team, but I just don't see the Hornets doing that deal. They would love KT's expiring contract, but I don't see them taking on Beno and Noc. They would want shorter deals or better players.

 

[Jespher]

I'm all for adding Chandler to this team, but I just don't see the Hornets doing that deal. They would love KT's expiring contract, but I don't see them taking on Beno and Noc. They would want shorter deals or better players.

I think they would do this, as we'd be willing to take on Peja's deal as well. It's a financial win, win for both teams.

 

[VF21]

Not in a bazillion years. Bringing Peja back would be totally WRONG for this franchise, for the fans AND for Peja himself. There is a lot of buzz going around that Peja might actually be through - that his back is still causing him major problems.

I would not want to see the Kings bringing TWO injury-prone players back into this team. We need to be getting younger and stronger.

EDIT: And from the Hornets side, I'm sure they can/will get better offers than the relative garbage the Kings offer in this trade.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I think they might take it. They would have bad contracts for an extra 2-3 years but they would shed about 8 mil off of their current salary which goes past 2010. If they want to rebuild next year I could see them doing it. If they want to wait past the big stars I could see them skipping out.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Not in a bazillion years. Bringing Peja back would be totally WRONG for this franchise, for the fans AND for Peja himself. There is a lot of buzz going around that Peja might actually be through - that his back is still causing him major problems.

I would not want to see the Kings bringing TWO injury-prone players back into this team. We need to be getting younger and stronger.

Well I don't think Peja would really be a major part of the team or anything... kind of like a Bobby Jackson role.

 

[Bricklayer]

Sorry, as much as i would like to nab Chandler as the perfect 3rd player/compliment to our young duo, no way I do a move including Peja and his ridiculous contract in the deal unless I get assurances ahead of time that he is in fact going to retire because of that back.

 

[Jespher]

Not in a bazillion years. Bringing Peja back would be totally WRONG for this franchise, for the fans AND for Peja himself. There is a lot of buzz going around that Peja might actually be through - that his back is still causing him major problems.

I would not want to see the Kings bringing TWO injury-prone players back into this team. We need to be getting younger and stronger.

Of course he wouldn't play much. He has said himself that he might retire soon anyway, but at least he could retire a King, and we'd have a large expiring contract and a quality center, while NO would still be paying Nocioni and Beno.

I included Peja in this trade proposal as incentive. If we're not willing to take back any bad contracts, it will be very hard to trade for any players that we actually want (see Chandler).

 

[funkykingston]

Even if Peja retires, his salary counts against the cap. It would take a doctor saying that he can't possibly play for that salary to not count - and that's a slow process. Or he'd need to be bought out.

Either way, if there were salary relief in trading for Stojakovic, the Hornets wouldn't want to deal him anyway. I think a Beno and KT deal for Chandler and Devin Brown would be more realistic though I'm not sure N'awlins goes for it.

 

[VF21]

I'm sorry but I just don't think "at least he could retire as a King" is worth the risk. I don't see it as incentive; I see it as a move backwards and one, as Brickie pointed out, that brings a ridiculous contract back onto our books. It's the reverse of the "flexible pieces" move we made for Webber - but it smells just as bad.

 

[Kings Faithful]

If your worry is Peja and his contract then this is the way you have to look at it. He expires after the 2011 season and obviously after the 2010 holy grail free agency. This is a good trade if you honestly think we aren't getting a SuperDuper star in free agency...which is highly possible and probably probable...I can understand being against it if we are to go after a player like Chris Bosh however. There is always the 2011 free agency as well which could consist of players like Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, Jameer Nelson, Chris Paul, Andrew Bynum, Deron Williams and Devin Harris... all unrestricted.

 

[Aenadin]

if he retires doesnt mean that we shorten his contract via insurance buy out or something like that? kind of what happened to reef?

with him retiring if we do trade for him. weve just accelerated the growth of greene and casspi by giving them the starting and back up SF roles. bringing in peja, heck he can teach casspi to shoot and play some perimeter.. i always loved how peja moved with out the ball

 

[Vlade4GM]

Isn't Chandler's ankle in really bad shape? No thanks, he's rarely been healthy in his career.

 

[TTown Kings]

I really like Chandler IF he's healthy. A true big that can block shots and rebound. How would dealing KT effect our cap space for next year though? I dont want to see us deal away an expiring that will give us the capspace to possibly sign a bigger name FA next summer or in 2011

 

[Kings Faithful]

Actually looking at the salary situation right now I'm going to break this down...

Taking this deal ends up in what would be like still having Kenny Thomas' contract except in the form of Tyson Chandlers presence during the 2010 FA.... even so we still have 13-16 million in cap space during that FA regardless. That should be enough to entice a possible star. If we were to turn down the trade we would have around 26-28 million during the 2010 FA.

Now onto 2011. If we were to accept the trade Peja would be expiring this year meaning we basically lose Udrih and Nocioni's contracts 2 years earlier.... we would also attain a ridiculous amount of money during the 2011 free agency. A part of it would have to go to signing enough players to complete the roster but our roster would look like this at the beginning of 2011 if the trade were to go through...

Tyreke Evans
Kevin Martin, Francisco
Donte Greene,Omri Casspi
Jason Thompson, John Brockmen
Spencer Hawes

Which is basically the core everyone considers our "youth" anyways... all them plus around 37 million in cap space assuming we don't resign Tyson Chandler... We would have enough to sign up to 2 of those super star free agents with money left over. Looking at the big picture this is a ridiculous win for us cap wise. Josh Smith and Dwight Howard anyone? Lol, of course this is all hypothetical and has about a 0% chance of actually happening. Its fun to dream though.

 

[TTown Kings]

Thanks for the break down, now I like the idea even more!

 

[Kings Faithful]

Thanks for the break down, now I like the idea even more!

Yeah, in short its basically like taking money away from the 2010 FA adding it onto our cap space in 2011 as well as having Tyson Chandler (or not because of injuries) for a year.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I would love to do this, I'm not so sure NO bites though it would be great though. Shaving the bad contracts down to 2011 is something we should all be happy to do!

 

[Hater]

Kind of scary how he failed that physical though..OKC never really clarified what scared them off.

Kind of brings back bad memories of another forward who failed a physical and ended up here...

 

[USNAVY15]

I'm pretty sure his big toe was missing or something minor. This trade is not a step forward for the kings, and it doesn't save the kings money. Peja would never agree to come back, and we would be buying him out or just paying him for nothing. Tyson is missing his big toe or something. We are already stacked at the 3 spot, and we can't bring in someone with tyson's salary only to bench him behind Hawes.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I'm pretty sure his big toe was missing or something minor. This trade is not a step forward for the kings, and it doesn't save the kings money. Peja would never agree to come back, and we would be buying him out or just paying him for nothing. Tyson is missing his big toe or something. We are already stacked at the 3 spot, and we can't bring in someone with tyson's salary only to bench him behind Hawes.

Buy Peja out then. I also don't understand why we can't play Tyson behind Hawes just because of his salary. We wouldn't be trading for these players to add missing pieces to our team in my mind, we'd be trading for them to get rid of Beno and Nocioni's contracts 2 years early. The fact that Tyson fills a big gap in what our team is missing is just a bonus.

 

[VF21]

Cashed strapped teams don't trade for huge contracts so they can buy them out. It makes no sense...

It would be fine to have Chandler but unfortunately there's just not a realistic way to make it work for the Kings. And while you may want to get rid of Beno and Nocioni's contracts, I'm not at all sure the organization is.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Yeah i know that. I've talked to a few Hornets fans on another forum and they said they would do that trade in a heartbeat. Of course they don't represent all Hornets fans, but it shows that it could be possible.

 

[Smills91]

Even if Peja retires, his salary counts against the cap. It would take a doctor saying that he can't possibly play for that salary to not count - and that's a slow process. Or he'd need to be bought out.

Either way, if there were salary relief in trading for Stojakovic, the Hornets wouldn't want to deal him anyway. I think a Beno and KT deal for Chandler and Devin Brown would be more realistic though I'm not sure N'awlins goes for it.

Not if it's medically related. See Abdur-Rahim, Shareef as a prime example. Insurance covers the cost, and the contract liability is removed from a team's cap hold i deemed medically unfit to play by NBA doctors.

 

[funkykingston]

Not if it's medically related. See Abdur-Rahim, Shareef as a prime example. Insurance covers the cost, and the contract liability is removed from a team's cap hold i deemed medically unfit to play by NBA doctors.

I know, I said that in the very next sentence after the one you bolded. If that process hasn't already been started (and I don't believe it has) it takes at least a year to go through.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm pretty sure his big toe was missing or something minor. This trade is not a step forward for the kings, and it doesn't save the kings money. Peja would never agree to come back, and we would be buying him out or just paying him for nothing. Tyson is missing his big toe or something. We are already stacked at the 3 spot, and we can't bring in someone with tyson's salary only to bench him behind Hawes.

Given that none of the guys are star level players, there reamins, as there did with the Thabeet scenario, plenty of minutes for 3 bigs in a 3 big rotation. 96 minutes at the two spots. That's 32 per man. More realistically maybe 34, 34, 28 or some such. And that's before the numbers get a little inflated when one or the other of them is out and the remianing two have to pick up the slack.

 

[beb0p]

Does the fact that Chandler missed almost half a season alarm anyone? Or the fact that his numbers fell dramatically last season?

This is not the same Tyson Chandler, guys. He is still 26 but he's damaged good. There's a reason he's being shopped and there's a reason the Thunder rejected him. Any NO fan will tell you Chandler can't do the things he used to do, not anymore. Last season, he was just a hair better than Mikki Moore.

If we're one piece away from a championship, then sure take a chance and hope that he regains his form. But at this stage of our rebuild, it makes absolutely no sense to take him.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I'd rather have old man Camby before Chandler. I'll take a pass on Tyson.

 

[King Baller]

I'd rather have old man Camby before Chandler. I'll take a pass on Tyson.

+1, Much of Tyson's success is a result of being on the floor with Chris Paul. But what Camby does, rebound, block shots and defend he mostly does on his own.

KB

 

[Bricklayer]

Does the fact that Chandler missed almost half a season alarm anyone? Or the fact that his numbers fell dramatically last season?

The two might be related you know.

If Chandler's got somethign chronic, then yes its a concern. Until I hear that then he's jsut somewhat injury prone and that's not a huge dealk fro a 3rd big.,\