Tyreke Evans ROTY & 20/5/5 Watch

Aenadin

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I dont see how the success of the bucks is linked to jennings its clearly about bogut.... and the acquisition of salmons

watch the bucks flop big time in the playoffs... jennings 55 pt game is all about chucking

its going to be highway robbery if Reke doesnt get ROY, among all rookies he has been consistently producing good numbers...

20 5 5 roy!
 
Sac.1989

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if evans gets 20 5 & 5 then he MUST win ROY. Dead set must, you cant join that great elite few who have met that measure and not win the award. end of.

To get there means you have had to be dam well consistent, he hasnt hit the wall at all. What else does this kid have to do to dam well get ROY. Hope he locks up 20 5 5 against the rockets and goes off against the lakers
 
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Kings Fan Gerard

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Sac.1989 said:
if evans gets 20 5 & 5 then he MUST win ROY. Dead set must, you cant join that great elite few who have met that measure and not win the award. end of.

To get there means you have had to be dam well consistent, he hasnt hit the wall at all. What else does this kid have to do to dam well get ROY.
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This.

And Jennings is only a 37% shooter. Jeez, WTF are these guys smoking.
 
=LarryLegend=

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I honestly think 20 -5 -5 and Rookie game MVP, all season consistency, should be where the talk starts and stops for ROY. :mad:

In a rookie season if you do something ONLY Big O, MJ and LJ do you ARE the rookie of the year.
 
vikinginferno

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Well Curry has done things that barely others have done, but the difference is Tyreke's is a SEASON-LONG achievement, not one game, not a series of games, a full season. That is consistency. If the season was only the second half, then maybe you split the award between Curry and Reke, but Reke destroys Curry the first half.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

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NewArena said:
Chupacabra said:
Ive got a bad feeling that theyre going to split the award between Evans and Curry. Man, im going to SOOO pissed off.
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Votes have to be exactly even for that to happen. Kind of impossible. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, that could never happen!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2000.html#roy
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1995.html#roy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970–71_NBA_season#NBA_awards


What? You mean it's actually happened three times? But... I have it on good authority that that's impossible! :confused:
 
rainmaker

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What I really don't like about the national media coverage of the ROY race of late, is that I hear a lot more about why Curry should be ROY, and not nearly as much about Tyreke.

I don't mind an honest debate, and don't have much of a problem with Curry being in the conversation, but recently the debate has been extremely one sided. Curry is a very good player, and hands down, the 2nd best rookie. But Curry doesn't have the same impact on a game, doesn't have opposing coaches and defenses completely geared towards stopping him, and hasn't been nearly as consistent as Tyreke if you look at the season as a whole. The 20/5/5 achievement ends the arguement.

Too often I hear so called "analysts" going out of their way to complement Curry, while at the same time going out of their way not to say anything good about Tyreke. I just hope Tyreke doesn't get cheated out of the award, because objectively looking at it, he deserves it.
 
vikinginferno

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Sadly, Curry has the underdog feel which leaves many people taking his side. Tyreke on the other hand, rightfully so is the favorite and many people side with the underdog. Also I continually see arguments in which defense is an afterthought as if 3 point shooting % is just as important.
 
Henkel

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Some of you are just paranoid. The case for Evans is overwhelming. The rookie class this year was pretty good and on top of that featured three exciting guards. Just because Curry and Jennings got some well deserved attention isn't a knock on Evans or sign that he won't win ROY.
 
PurpleHaze

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Unfortunately, I think ROY voting will be close and not out of realm of possibility Tyreke Evans could get screwed royally by biased and/or dumb voters. On a like-meter level Curry is preferred by more of them than Jennings who burns bridges with everyone he encounters it seems. Hopefully, those two do spit enough votes for Reke to win the award easily. It seem Reke is something of an enigma to a lot of voters who don't really know him as much as the other two and/or don't appreciate his full body of amazing first year work. If Evans loses to Jennings or Curry I will blame Grant Napear who for months has been saying over and over that Tyreke will win ROY - without question, guaranteed, slam dunk, in the bag, etc.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

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Henkel said:
Some of you are just paranoid. The case for Evans is overwhelming. The rookie class this year was pretty good and on top of that featured three exciting guards. Just because Curry and Jennings got some well deserved attention isn't a knock on Evans or sign that he won't win ROY.
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Maybe not, but some people who have a vote saying on air that they voted for Curry and/or Jennings could be.
 
PurpleHaze

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Henkel said:
Some of you are just paranoid. The case for Evans is overwhelming. The rookie class this year was pretty good and on top of that featured three exciting guards. Just because Curry and Jennings got some well deserved attention isn't a knock on Evans or sign that he won't win ROY.
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We all here agree and we're not paranoid at all - just realistic since this is about the Kings (with all the history of getting screwed). The problem is, "we" are not voting.
 
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Oprostaj

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Henkel said:
Some of you are just paranoid.
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No, many people here just either;

A. Realize that a lot of the writers/experts are absolute morons that don't really follow basketball rather than analyze its stats

B. Curry has been putting up monster numbers since the turn of the year, and has been getting BETTER with each month.

or a little of both. It would not be a shock to me at all if Curry got it. Bigger travesties have happened in this league of extraordinary gentlemen. Many times the "sexy" pick will win over the more deserving one.

* Note - as I'm writing this, I'm watching the bulls game, and two notes,
1. Turkoglu has stolen the Raptors money, and is laughing his *** off at home. The guy is absolutely horrible and looks like he would rather be at the Gulag (Brick- how about world famous prisons for a grades theme before the end of the year?) That whole team is atrocious to watch. If Bosh bolts I wouldn't be surprised if the don't let them south of the border again.

2. Noah's jumper makes baby jesus cry
 
Henkel

Henkel

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Who was the last ROY that didn't deserve it?

The race could be closer then it should be and I'm sure people are making a case for another rookie but this award has been consistently stat driven. Evans has easily the best numbers.

Maybe "paranoid" was the wrong word. The whole the Kings always get screwed because were the Kings is something other then paranoia, but I don't wanna go there.
 
Bricklayer

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Henkel said:
Who was the last ROY that didn't deserve it?

The race could be closer then it should be and I'm sure people are making a case for another rookie but this award has been consistently stat driven. Evans has easily the best numbers.

Maybe "paranoid" was the wrong word. The whole the Kings always get screwed because were the Kings is something other then paranoia, but I don't wanna go there.
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No, you're right about it always having been stats driven. By all rights this SHOULD be a sure thing. The entire history of the award suggests it. But, and here it is hard to tell if we are just in the midst of the maelstrom and so are just paying more attention, but it certainly seems that there is far more chatter and stupid arguments being made on this one than on any ROY race I can remember. It seems that Reke may have walked into a perfect storm of people still shocked he was picked over Rubio, of those still upset he turned out to be a PG rather than a SG, of coming out of relative obscurity (I guess -- how can the POY be obscure) and going to a small city franchise who was completley blanked out of National TV while his two opponents were being shown weekly. You can see everything trending against him in what should be an easy vote. It will be utterly ridiculous if he doesnt get it -- really the clearest travesty in the ROY I can remember since...not even sure I do remember the last one this bad. Be the 90s at least. But you can see how it could happen. The award, and maybe now more than ever with the internet, cable, twitter, etc., takes on political tones after a while. Its not about merit. Its about hype and popularity. And these lesser players seem to have machines behind them far beyong their games. Bothers me a little what that may say to Reke about Sacramento as a long time home if it is stolen from him.

I will be very relieved when he just gets this and this is over. You put up numbers like LeBron, you shouldn't have to sweat this crap.
 
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Evans v.Curry

Bottom line even if evans gets screwed....9 out of 10 would rather have evans than the other two. Feels good to be a Kings fan.
 
Henkel

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Bricklayer said:
No, you're right about it always having been stats driven. By all rights this SHOULD be a sure thing. The entire history of the award suggests it. But, and here it is hard to tell if we are just in the midst of the maelstrom and so are just paying more attention, but it certainly seems that there is far more chatter and stupid arguments being made on this one than on any ROY race I can remember. It seems that Reke may have walked into a perfect storm of people still shocked he was picked over Rubio, of those still upset he turned out to be a PG rather than a SG, of coming out of relative obscurity (I guess -- how can the POY be obscure) and going to a small city franchise who was completley blanked out of National TV while his two opponents were being shown weekly. You can see everything trending against him in what should be an easy vote. It will be utterly ridiculous if he doesnt get it -- really the clearest travesty in the ROY I can remember since...not even sure I do remember the last one this bad. Be the 90s at least. But you can see how it could happen. The award, and maybe now more than ever with the internet, cable, twitter, etc., takes on political tones after a while. Its not about merit. Its about hype and popularity. And these lesser players seem to have machines behind them far beyong their games. Bothers me a little what that may say to Reke about Sacramento as a long time home if it is stolen from him.

I will be very relieved when he just gets this and this is over. You put up numbers like LeBron, you shouldn't have to sweat this crap.
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Maybe I'm not paying close enough attention. I find the the point you made about the tone of the debate interesting. I respect your opinion and trust that you have been following this race closely I just wonder if having a horse in this race is skewing peoples perspective. Evans gets his fair share of attention and I just wonder if people are focusing on a minority opinion here.

When I read about a couple of writers going for Curry or Jennings I'm not really surprised. Evans has set him self above the rest, but not in such a dominate fashion that people could reasonably expect that he would be a unanimous selection. When it comes to awards like this you always some idiots in the mix. The degree to which you have to dominate has to be so extreme that even those who thrive on playing devils advocate are forced to face reality.

Maybe the case for Curry and Jenning is more prevalent then I thought. If thats true then its a shame.
 
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