Tyreke Evans ROTY & 20/5/5 Watch

What I don't get is that almost every coach that's asked after they play the kings that would Evans be their ROY? And nearly all say yes. I think they should have the coaches vote for it. Why have writers and other idiots who either don't watch the west coast teams and are east coast biased or wether they just want curry to get it cause he has a baby face or some other weird nonsense. Evans is far above Jennings and curry. To even have a debate is ludicrous.
 
Oh please, most of that was team defense. Neither one of them 'Locked him up'. People dont often see teams packing heavily in the paint. Glad he's starting to hit the jumper to make teams pay.
You're half right. Portland was team defense. Really, it was just Camby sitting in there. But to give him credit, Battier absolutely shut down Tyreke. He had 7 blocks that game, and I think most of them were on Tyreke. And these weren't "off the ball, cheating on defense" blocks. I'll be interested to see how things change next time they meet.
 

Capt. Factorial

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Yes, but in 2003 they changed the voting rules. It used to be that each voter got one vote. Now each voter casts three votes, first place is worth 5, second place is worth 3, and third place is worth 1. This certainly makes it less likely that there will be a tie at the top. I did a real quick simulation (with the simplifying assumption that Evans, Jennings, and Curry are all equally favored and no other player will get any votes) and it looks like the probability of a tie is between 3.5% to 3.9%. Not terribly likely, and that number would only go down if there was any perceived difference in their ability, or if any other players got any votes. But no, not impossible.
 
Yes, but in 2003 they changed the voting rules. It used to be that each voter got one vote. Now each voter casts three votes, first place is worth 5, second place is worth 3, and third place is worth 1. This certainly makes it less likely that there will be a tie at the top. I did a real quick simulation (with the simplifying assumption that Evans, Jennings, and Curry are all equally favored and no other player will get any votes) and it looks like the probability of a tie is between 3.5% to 3.9%. Not terribly likely, and that number would only go down if there was any perceived difference in their ability, or if any other players got any votes. But no, not impossible.
That change in voting will go in Reke's favor I believe. There are definitely a number of people who view Curry or Jennings above Reke, but I do not think many, if any think BOTH are ahead. So while Curry and Jennings will both be 3rd on a number of ballots, I do not think Reke will be.
 
That change in voting will go in Reke's favor I believe. There are definitely a number of people who view Curry or Jennings above Reke, but I do not think many, if any think BOTH are ahead. So while Curry and Jennings will both be 3rd on a number of ballots, I do not think Reke will be.
I hope your right. So when does all this madness end? Is it normally the first week of the playoffs that ROY is announced?

Also, i don't know if this has been posted anywhere else, but i heard on a radio podcast in the last couple of days, that it had been reported that Golden State's front office had called a few of the voters in the ROY award to push Curry. I personally hope that is not true, if so what does that say for the NBA's awards voting/procedures... I assume there are rules against this sort of thing.

I can't wait for this all to be over and Reke named the rightful 2010 ROY!

P.S. I also put money on him at the start of the year for ROY, which will be a bonus.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That change in voting will go in Reke's favor I believe. There are definitely a number of people who view Curry or Jennings above Reke, but I do not think many, if any think BOTH are ahead. So while Curry and Jennings will both be 3rd on a number of ballots, I do not think Reke will be.

That's actually a good point -- the Curry and Jennings camps seem to be oil and water. Both want to make it a race between their man and Reke, not their man and the other (Jennings/Curry) guy.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Stein gave his to Reke, although again note the tone -- almost apologetic. There is a sense of people giving Reke the award almost being sheepish about it and on the defensive. To which I just have to say WHAT?

link

Also note that as you can tell a lot of these votes are already in, so the success or failure of the 20-5-5 thing in the next couple of days really isn't going to matter to half of them.
 
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pdxKingsFan

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It's a panel of broadcasters and sportswriters. There are 122 last I checked. I'm not sure the history of ROY but until 1980 or so MVP was voted by the players then switched to the current panel format.
 

Bricklayer

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I would like know, haw many people to vote for rookie of the year, and who?? People like Stain and Aldridge, or coaches another NBA teams?:confused:
Its media, not coaches. Something like 125 of them. I think, but am not 100% sure, its all the local broadcasters, then the beat-writers for the local papers (that may change as local papers go under) then a certain number of national/worldwide media passes.
 
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I'll be waiting (maybe forever) or the first sports writer or assorted pundit to gush even slightest enthusiasm for picking Tyreke as ROY. I really think a lot of it boils down to anti-Sacramento, east coast bias, the grudging clear assessment for those voters who favor him, that on offensive and defensive end (but certainly combined) Evans deserves ROY.

A couple days ago Grant Napear interviewed Don Nelson on Jim Rome show about his recently getting most NBA coaching wins. They also talked about Curry but not directly race for ROY. Nellie went on how "surprisingly great" his little PG's defense was:confused: - quick hands, knack for steals, great rebounder for size, etc. The word "great" begins to lose meaning listening to "the great" coach Nellie. He bragged how in a recent game Curry came close to a quad-double. It was a totally positive, gaga assessment, with no mention that Curry leads the NBA in fouls for his position, has been a turnover machine, has not hit a winning shot or winning play on D all year, etc.

Hold your breath when ROY voting is announced and have a bottle of your favorite strong spirit next to you for a satisfied toast (hopefully) or chugging entire slug in despair:eek:
 
I'll be waiting (maybe forever) or the first sports writer or assorted pundit to gush even slightest enthusiasm for picking Tyreke as ROY. I really think a lot of it boils down to anti-Sacramento, east coast bias, the grudging clear assessment for those voters who favor him, that on offensive and defensive end (but certainly combined) Evans deserves ROY.

A couple days ago Grant Napear interviewed Don Nelson on Jim Rome show about his recently getting most NBA coaching wins. They also talked about Curry but not directly race for ROY. Nellie went on how "surprisingly great" his little PG's defense was:confused: - quick hands, knack for steals, great rebounder for size, etc. The word "great" begins to lose meaning listening to "the great" coach Nellie. He bragged how in a recent game Curry came close to a quad-double. It was a totally positive, gaga assessment, with no mention that Curry leads the NBA in fouls for his position, has been a turnover machine, has not hit a winning shot or winning play on D all year, etc.

Hold your breath when ROY voting is announced and have a bottle of your favorite strong spirit next to you for a satisfied toast (hopefully) or chugging entire slug in despair:eek:
Of course he gets rebounds on the Warriors. All their big men are on the bench and not in the game. Any other team and Curry is lucky to pull down a few a night.
 
Looking around the web and listening to the radio I've been trying to get a feel of the voting*....

On ESPN: Marc Stien and Ric Bucher say they will vote for Tyreke, Chris Broussard says Jennings. Also, their rookie rankings have always had Reke #1, safe to assume another vote for Reke.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100409-10/award-winners
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=5063940
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/awards

NBA.com:
While Drew Packham has had Curry #1 in his rankings, he has said in podcasts and in interviews as late as last week he has Tyreke as the overall best rookie. Seoku Smith is voting for Curry. Scott Howard Cooper has maintained his vote will go to Evans.

New from today, David Aldridge has the vote for Tyreke--"by a hair"
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/david_aldridge/04/12/morning.tip/index.html

Dennis Scott and Rick Kamla have Tyreke "all day long, all week long, all month long, all year long"
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/04/12/20100412_gametime_awards.nba/


SI.com
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KHTK had two writers on, Chris Manix who has been mentioned before says Curry another one who's name escapes me says Tyreke


MSNBC.com: Another vote for Tyreke
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36199619/ns/sports-nba/


Random beat writers on twitter and in broadcast:

Orlando Beat writer said:
Looking at some of the numbers while I'm filling out my ballot and whoever doesn't choose Evans as RoY is a fool, plain and simple.

2:55 PM Apr 10th via web
erivera7
Eddy Rivera
Van Gundy - Curry. Marc Jackson -Reke


And then you have Grant Napear on his radio show always saying how almost all the beat writers and broadcasters he's talked to as the Kings have been on the road have said they are voting for Tyreke.

So....we'll see I guess.

*Don't know if all these guys have an actual vote
 
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And then you have Grant Napear on his radio show always saying how almost all the beat writers and broadcasters he's talked to as the Kings have been on the road have said they are voting for Tyreke.

So....we'll see I guess.
I have a feeling that all of the "drama" and "controversy" is only being stirred up by the National broadcasters and writers. The local ones don't really have any incentive to stir the pot, so I bet Grant is correct, and you'll see more of the local writers/broadcasters vote based on the merits of Tyreke.
 

Kingster

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I have a feeling that all of the "drama" and "controversy" is only being stirred up by the National broadcasters and writers. The local ones don't really have any incentive to stir the pot, so I bet Grant is correct, and you'll see more of the local writers/broadcasters vote based on the merits of Tyreke.
I agree. There are some who are trying to create a controversy where none exists.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
I'll be waiting (maybe forever) or the first sports writer or assorted pundit to gush even slightest enthusiasm for picking Tyreke as ROY. I really think a lot of it boils down to anti-Sacramento, east coast bias, the grudging clear assessment for those voters who favor him, that on offensive and defensive end (but certainly combined) Evans deserves ROY.

A couple days ago Grant Napear interviewed Don Nelson on Jim Rome show about his recently getting most NBA coaching wins. They also talked about Curry but not directly race for ROY. Nellie went on how "surprisingly great" his little PG's defense was:confused: - quick hands, knack for steals, great rebounder for size, etc. The word "great" begins to lose meaning listening to "the great" coach Nellie. He bragged how in a recent game Curry came close to a quad-double. It was a totally positive, gaga assessment, with no mention that Curry leads the NBA in fouls for his position, has been a turnover machine, has not hit a winning shot or winning play on D all year, etc.

Hold your breath when ROY voting is announced and have a bottle of your favorite strong spirit next to you for a satisfied toast (hopefully) or chugging entire slug in despair:eek:
Don Nelson talking about defense is kind of like me talking about quantum physics. We both have no clue what we're talking about.
 
I'll be waiting (maybe forever) or the first sports writer or assorted pundit to gush even slightest enthusiasm for picking Tyreke as ROY. I really think a lot of it boils down to anti-Sacramento, east coast bias, the grudging clear assessment for those voters who favor him, that on offensive and defensive end (but certainly combined) Evans deserves ROY.

A couple days ago Grant Napear interviewed Don Nelson on Jim Rome show about his recently getting most NBA coaching wins. They also talked about Curry but not directly race for ROY. Nellie went on how "surprisingly great" his little PG's defense was:confused: - quick hands, knack for steals, great rebounder for size, etc. The word "great" begins to lose meaning listening to "the great" coach Nellie. He bragged how in a recent game Curry came close to a quad-double. It was a totally positive, gaga assessment, with no mention that Curry leads the NBA in fouls for his position, has been a turnover machine, has not hit a winning shot or winning play on D all year, etc.

Hold your breath when ROY voting is announced and have a bottle of your favorite strong spirit next to you for a satisfied toast (hopefully) or chugging entire slug in despair:eek:
The link was already posted earlier today, but Kamla has saying for a while now that Tyreke is the ROY and its not even close. He continued with this same notion last night on Gametime when giving out his season long awards. Dennis Scott was a little more wishy washy but still gave the nod to Evans.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Looking around the web and listening to the radio I've been trying to get a feel of the voting*....

On ESPN: Marc Stien and Ric Bucher say they will vote for Tyreke, Chris Broussard says Jennings. Also, their rookie rankings have always had Reke #1, safe to assume another vote for Reke.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100409-10/award-winners
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=5063940
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/awards

NBA.com:
While Drew Packham has had Curry #1 in his rankings, he has said in podcasts and in interviews as late as last week he has Tyreke as the overall best rookie. Seoku Smith is voting for Curry. Scott Howard Cooper has maintained his vote will go to Evans.

New from today, David Aldridge has the vote for Tyreke--"by a hair"
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/david_aldridge/04/12/morning.tip/index.html

Dennis Scott and Rick Kamla have Tyreke "all day long, all week long, all month long, all year long"
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/04/12/20100412_gametime_awards.nba/


SI.com:
KHTK had two writers on, Chris Manix who has been mentioned before says Curry another one who's name escapes me says Tyreke


MSNBC.com: Another vote for Tyreke
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36199619/ns/sports-nba/


Random beat writers on twitter and in broadcast:



Van Gundy - Curry. Marc Jackson -Reke


And then you have Grant Napear on his radio show always saying how almost all the beat writers and broadcasters he's talked to as the Kings have been on the road have said they are voting for Tyreke.

So....we'll see I guess.

*Don't know if all these guys have an actual vote
These were three more for Reke posted in the other Reke thread:
 
I'll be waiting (maybe forever) or the first sports writer or assorted pundit to gush even slightest enthusiasm for picking Tyreke as ROY. I really think a lot of it boils down to anti-Sacramento, east coast bias, the grudging clear assessment for those voters who favor him, that on offensive and defensive end (but certainly combined) Evans deserves ROY.
it does seem a bit strange that so few sports writer's have missed evans' YEAR-LONG two-way dominance. i really liked this bit in nba.com's power rankings today, though...

"A question for anyone who thinks Tyreke Evans is not the Rookie of the Year: What exactly did Evans do to lose the award he basically had locked up in January? His numbers since Feb. 1 (19.9 points, 6.4 rebounds, 7.1 assists, 46 percent shooting) are better than they were prior (20.5, 4.6, 5.0, 46 percent)."

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/powerrankings/04/12/week24/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

it was kind of like a "FINALLY!!" moment for me. as in, finally, a sports writer with enough sensibility to recognize that stephen curry is playing UP to tyreke's numbers, and not the other way around. curry has, without a doubt, played phenomenally since january. however, he's only just reached a next-level of all-around offensive dominance that tyreke has displayed since november. forget about the defensive side of the ball. steph curry, in accordance with don nelson's system, takes chances on steals, and comes up with quite a few, but that hardly makes him the defensive equivalent of tyreke evans, who has proven to be a stopper on the wing many times this season...