Tyreke Evans or Brandon Jennings?

[Vlade4GM]

Say if you had to pick between the two with the 4th pick, which one would you take?

I'm actually growing more open to the idea of Evans, I'm still leaning towards Jennings but I'm intrigued with the possibility of either. There's definitely very good upside to both of them.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyreke-Evans-1110/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyreke-evans
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/tyreke-evans-nba-draft-profile-166836

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Jennings-1114/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/brandon-jennings
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/brandon-jennings-nba-draft-profile-163576

 

[VF21]

I'm lazy and, to be honest, wading through tons of sites trying to find info gives me a major headache. Is there a good write-up on each of them you could post links for?

 

[Bibby10AZ]

i like Jennings over evans

 

[nbrans]

I mean, between those two I think it's a pretty easy choice. If there's one position the Kings don't need it's a 2 guard. Evans played point in college out of desperation/necessity, but I don't see any way he could play point in the NBA. He's not that creative of a passer, he's not quick enough, and there's no way he could guard opposing PGs. I know usually it makes sense to draft BPA, but a 2 guard isn't going to get any time at all backing up Martin.

So, in this case, Jennings. Evans may well turn out to be the best pro, but it's not going to be with the Kings.

 

[gunks]

Martin is always injured though...

...Evans could show enough to make our biggest trade chip expendable.

Not really a smart way to GM a team though, drafting a guy on the assumption that the player he'll back up will get injured giving him time, as well as the assumption that he'll shine in the minutes he gets. All to make the legit player trade bait.

...So uh.

I guess I'll take Jennings.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I like Jennings and Evans... but i think I would choose Evans out of the 2. Mabye not for any particular logical reason, but I just feel like Jennings will have a tough time in the NBA while Tyreke will flourish. Just an assumption though.

 

[dj3ptspecialist44]

Like I said before I'd take Evans and he can play the point in the NBA even though people keep saying he can't. He's not a true PG, but really in the NBA who pressures the ball? Nobody as long as he's a good facilitator then he can fit the bill at PG. I think after workouts and discussing what position he wants to play in the NBA or what he sees his self as you can determine what to do. I see him as a PG others may not I like him and Jennings but his height and strength give him the advantage in my opinion.

 

[ElRey]

Martin is always injured though...

...Evans could show enough to make our biggest trade chip expendable.

Not really a smart way to GM a team though, drafting a guy on the assumption that the player he'll back up will get injured giving him time, as well as the assumption that he'll shine in the minutes he gets. All to make the legit player trade bait.

...So uh.

I guess I'll take Jennings.

It's a very tough choice between the two. I picked Evans because I think Jennings have a much higher chance of being a bust. He reminds me too much of Kenny Anderson, a skinny left handed pt guard with a lot of street in his game. With Evans, even if he doesn't pan out as a NBA pt guard, he still has the size and the shot creating ability to easily slide over to the 2 guard position and still be good.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

If Evans is a point guard in the NBA I will be shocked.

I'll take Jennings I suppose .. ( I still like Curry better ! )

 

[AriesMar27]

jennings, easily....

 

[Vlade4GM]

Like I said before I'd take Evans and he can play the point in the NBA even though people keep saying he can't. He's not a true PG, but really in the NBA who pressures the ball? Nobody as long as he's a good facilitator then he can fit the bill at PG. I think after workouts and discussing what position he wants to play in the NBA or what he sees his self as you can determine what to do. I see him as a PG others may not I like him and Jennings but his height and strength give him the advantage in my opinion.

Is he really the most objective judge of that though?

 

[dj3ptspecialist44]

Is he really the most objective judge of that though?

I understand what you are saying but obviously he isn't the sole decision maker in that, but i'm saying he might have a vision of what he wants to be in the league and if he wants to be a SG then you kindly say thank you, but you aren't for our team. I think he can be a PG. Was Doug Christie a PG? Nope but he sure did handle the ball a lot in our offense how soon we forget? The dude is athletic and gets to the rack we need someone like that who's going to put pressure on the opposing team's PG. The only player who gets to the rack on our team is K-mart and that has to change.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I understand what you are saying but obviously he isn't the sole decision maker in that, but i'm saying he might have a vision of what he wants to be in the league and if he wants to be a SG then you kindly say thank you, but you aren't for our team. I think he can be a PG. Was Doug Christie a PG? Nope but he sure did handle the ball a lot in our offense how soon we forget? The dude is athletic and gets to the rack we need someone like that who's going to put pressure on the opposing team's PG. The only player who gets to the rack on our team is K-mart and that has to change.

I'm just saying that most combo guards are going to advertise themselves as PG's because PG's are more highly valued. These players are campaigning for themselves, just like last year all the combo guards in the draft were all saying they were PG's, not one wants to be labeled as a combo guard or an undersized shooting guard.

 

[dj3ptspecialist44]

Agreed, but we can't be scared of a combo guard, because of the Duby thing. I like him and if we got him at 4 i'd be happy. I also am intrigued with Jennings. I just worry about the guy's size he needs to get bigger.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

For this team, probably Jennings. Evans is extremely talented on both ends of the court, but also extremely ball-dominant and has bad habits ranging from turnovers and horrid shot selection. Basically a loser's sort of game where the other four teammates on the court have to adapt to his style of game, or else he wouldn't thrive. Jennings has a lot more clay to mold--he's already shown good passing potential and has nice stealing ability, and he has NBA athleticism and speed, which is already half the battle to make it as a NBA PG. He also handled himself well playing along with many other established players in Europe, a great sign. The only thing of real concern is the jumpshot, but that's the easiest to develop and we can provide the time for him to develop it. So Jennings, while more raw, has more potential as a team-oriented player who can fill a lot of holes in the future on both ends of the floor.

 

[beb0p]

I don't see a choice for "NEITHER!"?

 

[Smills91]

Evans all day, all night, every day. Evans played the 1 VERY effectively at Memphis. His major weakness is shooting, which is the most correctable skill a player can improve.
Jennings is fast, but this isn't track. He's too small and not smart enough to play the 1 at an effective level in the NBA.

Give me Tyreke 1000 times out of 1000.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Evans shot mechanics are horrible and need to be totally revamped, so lets call a spade, a spade there.

They both have IQ question marks, unfair to pick on just one and ignore the other.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I don't see a choice for "NEITHER!"?

That would be against the premise of the poll.

 

[kingsnation]

Jennings only because he fills a need that Evans, IMO, can't.

 

[dbfish]

I take Evans. Jennings is quick, but small.

 

[bajaden]

I mean, between those two I think it's a pretty easy choice. If there's one position the Kings don't need it's a 2 guard. Evans played point in college out of desperation/necessity, but I don't see any way he could play point in the NBA. He's not that creative of a passer, he's not quick enough, and there's no way he could guard opposing PGs. I know usually it makes sense to draft BPA, but a 2 guard isn't going to get any time at all backing up Martin.

So, in this case, Jennings. Evans may well turn out to be the best pro, but it's not going to be with the Kings.

Just for the record. Evans played point guard in highschool, and last year played his best basketball when he took over at the point. And ironicly, thats when his team started to play well. I'm not saying that makes him an NBA point guard, but I don't think you can just discard the possiblity.

No one has ever doubted Evans talent. Its all about his desire to be the best that the doubts lay.

 

[bajaden]

Is he really the most objective judge of that though?

No, but at least it would give you a little insight as to how he see's himself. If he thinks of himself as a point guard, then I would be more inclined to believe he may actually become one. Of course that doesn't always work. Kenny Thomas thought of himself as a PF.

 

[bajaden]

Agreed, but we can't be scared of a combo guard, because of the Duby thing. I like him and if we got him at 4 i'd be happy. I also am intrigued with Jennings. I just worry about the guy's size he needs to get bigger.

Douby would be a poor comparison anyway. To the best of my knowledge he never played point guard, except with the Kings. Evans was a point in highschool and also played the point last year after the injury to the starter.

 

[bajaden]

Evans shot mechanics are horrible and need to be totally revamped, so lets call a spade, a spade there.

They both have IQ question marks, unfair to pick on just one and ignore the other.

I wouldn't call them horrible, but I would call them flawed. He was a streaky shooter in college, and his mechanics probably had something to do with that, as well as taking ill advised shots at times. While having good mechanics are something to strive for, there have been a lot of players that were good shooters that had bad mechanics. The most important part of mechanics is the final position at point of release. Martin is a perfect example of a player whose mechanics look terrible, but at the point of release is almost perfect. I'm not going to say that it doesn't matter how you get there, because thats the difference between a quick release and not. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. The more curves you put in, the longer it takes you to get there. If you try to accomplish it by speeding everything up, then your out of control.

 

[bajaden]

Jennings only because he fills a need that Evans, IMO, can't.

And your certainly entitled to your opinion. I know that Jennings is the majoritys second choice after Rubio, but I wonder if anyone remembers comments by Petrie when asked if anyone else in europe blew his socks off while over there ( I'm loosely paraphrasing). His answer was no. Jerry Reynolds was asked about european players of value after Rubio and he said none would warrant being taken that high. Now they could just be throwing up a smoke screen, or they could be telling the truth.

If they're telling the truth, then I would assume that Jennings is off the draft board at the 4 spot. If so, then this thread, while fun, is irrelevant.

 

[nbrans]

Just for the record. Evans played point guard in highschool, and last year played his best basketball when he took over at the point. And ironicly, thats when his team started to play well. I'm not saying that makes him an NBA point guard, but I don't think you can just discard the possiblity.

No one has ever doubted Evans talent. Its all about his desire to be the best that the doubts lay.

I think you can discard the possibility, actually. I really don't think he has the quickness to guard NBA point guards, nor do I think his game is particularly suited to PG, other than the fact that he needs to pound the ball to be effective. He's a lot like John Salmons in this regard. He'll probably do a lot of ballhandling a la Salmons and Brandon Roy because he can penetrate and making things happen, but I really struggle to see him as an NBA point guard.

 

[bigbadred00]

I know he was a freshman but Tyreke averaged 3.9 assists per game and 3.6 turnovers per game. You don't want your PG to be turning over the ball at such a high rate.

He did score a lot against Mizzou, but in that game he had 4 assists and 5 TOs. IN the tourney he had 14 assists and 14 TOs. Even against Gonzaga in which they crushed he had 2 assists and 2 TOs. Against other better competition he had 3A/5TO against Gtown who wasn't even that good, Cuse he had 2A/6TO. He then did well in CUSA, but it's CUSA which is a joke. I don't like Evans much either but you have to take Evans stats in context.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=41608

 

[bajaden]

I think you can discard the possibility, actually. I really don't think he has the quickness to guard NBA point guards, nor do I think his game is particularly suited to PG, other than the fact that he needs to pound the ball to be effective. He's a lot like John Salmons in this regard. He'll probably do a lot of ballhandling a la Salmons and Brandon Roy because he can penetrate and making things happen, but I really struggle to see him as an NBA point guard.

Well we can debate his ability to play the point endlessly without a winner. What I don't understand is your belief that he's not quick. I don't have my quick meter handy, but the one thing no one has criticized him for (except you) is his lack of quickness. The reason he's able to get to the basket so easily is because of his quickness, combined with a deadly crossover. He also has terrific handles.

I'm always befuddled when a player that played point guard in highschool, comes to college and is asked to play out of position at the two and doesn't look that good doing it. (aka Holiday) Then, when moved back to his normal position plays well, but is still labeled a shooting guard by critics.

 

[Vlade4GM]

No, but at least it would give you a little insight as to how he see's himself. If he thinks of himself as a point guard, then I would be more inclined to believe he may actually become one. Of course that doesn't always work. Kenny Thomas thought of himself as a PF.

Maybe, but during draft time, players aren't always so honest because they're out to better their draft position any way they can.