Tyler Honeycutt's ceiling

[KingsCitizen]

What's your take on Tyler's ceiling and how soon do you think he'll get there?

We'll we got Tyler ahead of IT but only IT flourished with our lack of a real PG. IMO, Tyler's progress suffered with our SF logjam. If the Maloofs are really in deep ****, I think they will try to talk Garcia for a buyout next season, and not resign Greene. That'll surely give Tyler minutes. Mobile 6'8" guys who got defensive potential are a necessity in the NBA to match up the likes of James, Anthony, et. al. We should not waste our own.

 

[Rookie]

Let see what he's going to do this offseason. If he works on playing defense then he may have a role for the team. His offense is too weak to warrant any minutes at this time.

Whiteside on the other hand had shown improvement and I would rather play him over Hayes as a defensive big.

 

[vikinginferno]

Does he remind anyone else of a non-thuggish Matt Barnes?

 

[bajaden]

I don't think anyone can honestly predict what his ceiling is at this time. Actually, I don't think anyone can be critical of any part of his game, since he never had a chance to play any meaningful minutes the entire year. As stated above, he was facing a huge logjam at the SF position. I know what he did at UCLA, the school that can't seem to develop the offensive game of anyone. He was a good defender, and on occasion showed a good, but seldom taken jumpshot. He handled the ball fine for a SF, and he's a very good passer. And despite his lack of weight, he rebounded very well.

Obviously he needs to get into the weight room and put on some muscle. If he can do that, I think he's at worse a rotational player, and at best, perhaps a starter somewhere down the road.

 

[mac]

I don't think anyone can honestly predict what his ceiling is at this time. Actually, I don't think anyone can be critical of any part of his game, since he never had a chance to play any meaningful minutes the entire year. As stated above, he was facing a huge logjam at the SF position. I know what he did at UCLA, the school that can't seem to develop the offensive game of anyone. He was a good defender, and on occasion showed a good, but seldom taken jumpshot. He handled the ball fine for a SF, and he's a very good passer. And despite his lack of weight, he rebounded very well.

Obviously he needs to get into the weight room and put on some muscle. If he can do that, I think he's at worse a rotational player, and at best, perhaps a starter somewhere down the road.

How was his 3 point shooting in college? I was not very impressed by him even is the few minutes he was on the court this season, and to me he often looked like he was forcing up ill-advised shots. At the same time though, I can't say I wouldn't expect that from a guy who hardly gets any PT and is trying to prove himself. He definitely needs to bulk up. I liked what I saw from Ebank (from the Lakers) in the PT he got in the playoffs. Good athletic player that is quick on defense and also able to block some shots from the SF position. Doesn't force it on offense and is able to hit some open shots. I think Tyler should try to do that for now.

 

[Kingster]

Tyler has a lot of potential. I saw him single handedly beat a Kansas team with a tremendous offensive performance. (Kansas doesn't usually allow one guy to beat them). He has versatility to his game in that he can score from the outside, score on the drive, dish, and rebound. But he's got to really work on his game, become stronger, become tougher, and become a student of the game. To me, he has more talent than Jimmer, if you define talent as ceiling, but he needs to commit himself to getting better. The knock on him at UCLA was that he wasn't tough enough. This summer could be huge for him in terms of developing his game and playing in the summer league.

 

[Section 101]

I don't think anyone can honestly predict what his ceiling is at this time. Actually, I don't think anyone can be critical of any part of his game, since he never had a chance to play any meaningful minutes the entire year. As stated above, he was facing a huge logjam at the SF position. I know what he did at UCLA, the school that can't seem to develop the offensive game of anyone. He was a good defender, and on occasion showed a good, but seldom taken jumpshot. He handled the ball fine for a SF, and he's a very good passer. And despite his lack of weight, he rebounded very well.

Obviously he needs to get into the weight room and put on some muscle. If he can do that, I think he's at worse a rotational player, and at best, perhaps a starter somewhere down the road.

I think a lot of times people over emphasize the need to put on weight. Many times it backfires and the player loses quickness or their shot gets messed up. I don't see Honeycutt as a gut who needs to put on weight. He needs the quickness for the type of player I've seen so far. He's more of a Corey Brewer than a Prince.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

This is a tough one for me because I wanted us to draft him with the exact pick we drafted him with. I thought his talent for the value of that second rounder was an awesome pick we lucked into.

I still like him a lot. My problem is with his attitude. Maybe Its because I read too much Bill Simmons (for the entertainment, not the opinion!) but I really look into how players carry themselves... how they react in certain situations. I will admit that MAYBE I put TOO much emphasis on it, but its something I pay attention to very closely.

To bring this around to Tyler .. Lets just say I think he has more Donte Greene in him than Isaiah Thomas. Thomas wasn't a rotation player when the season began .. but he worked his *** off when he got a chance to play. Most of it was garbage time, but he proved himself in those few minutes. He played with 110% of his energy until the coach had to play him. I can really appreciate that. I KNOW Isaiah Thomas is a worker.

When Tyler got his garbage minutes .. He coasted. Which is good and bad .. good because during his coasting, he actually made some NBA plays. Meaning .. even if he wasn't trying very hard, you could see the NBA skill there. The problem was, he didn't come across as a guy who wanted it. He didn't seem like he wanted the ball, he didn't seem like he was ready to prove himself. He never looked like he was giving it his all. He came across as a guy who was just happy to be in the NBA. Like I said before, very Donte Greene like.

Could I be wrong? sure. Small sample size. I'll be interested to hear and see what his summer program looks like, and hopefully see another level of effort when he's on the court.

 

[Kingster]

I think a lot of times people over emphasize the need to put on weight. Many times it backfires and the player loses quickness or their shot gets messed up. I don't see Honeycutt as a gut who needs to put on weight. He needs the quickness for the type of player I've seen so far. He's more of a Corey Brewer than a Prince.

I think he's much more of a Prince than a Brewer. His shooting is much better than Brewer at the same stage in their careers, whereas Brewer is the better defensive player.

 

[Kingster]

This is a tough one for me because I wanted us to draft him with the exact pick we drafted him with. I thought his talent for the value of that second rounder was an awesome pick we lucked into.

I still like him a lot. My problem is with his attitude. Maybe Its because I read too much Bill Simmons (for the entertainment, not the opinion!) but I really look into how players carry themselves... how they react in certain situations. I will admit that MAYBE I put TOO much emphasis on it, but its something I pay attention to very closely.

To bring this around to Tyler .. Lets just say I think he has more Donte Greene in him than Isaiah Thomas. Thomas wasn't a rotation player when the season began .. but he worked his *** off when he got a chance to play. Most of it was garbage time, but he proved himself in those few minutes. He played with 110% of his energy until the coach had to play him. I can really appreciate that. I KNOW Isaiah Thomas is a worker.

When Tyler got his garbage minutes .. He coasted. Which is good and bad .. good because during his coasting, he actually made some NBA plays. Meaning .. even if he wasn't trying very hard, you could see the NBA skill there. The problem was, he didn't come across as a guy who wanted it. He didn't seem like he wanted the ball, he didn't seem like he was ready to prove himself. He never looked like he was giving it his all. He came across as a guy who was just happy to be in the NBA. Like I said before, very Donte Greene like.

Could I be wrong? sure. Small sample size. I'll be interested to hear and see what his summer program looks like, and hopefully see another level of effort when he's on the court.

I think there's some truth to this. On the other side of the coin, I did hear though that he would arrive very early to games to work on his shot, so that's a good sign. He strikes me as a guy that really hasn't figured out what it means to work hard. He may think he's working hard when he's really not.

As an aside, this is exactly what I fear from Drummond, except with him you could be picking him at #5 or #6.

 

[Section 101]

This is a tough one for me because I wanted us to draft him with the exact pick we drafted him with. I thought his talent for the value of that second rounder was an awesome pick we lucked into.

I still like him a lot. My problem is with his attitude. Maybe Its because I read too much Bill Simmons (for the entertainment, not the opinion!) but I really look into how players carry themselves... how they react in certain situations. I will admit that MAYBE I put TOO much emphasis on it, but its something I pay attention to very closely.

To bring this around to Tyler .. Lets just say I think he has more Donte Greene in him than Isaiah Thomas. Thomas wasn't a rotation player when the season began .. but he worked his *** off when he got a chance to play. Most of it was garbage time, but he proved himself in those few minutes. He played with 110% of his energy until the coach had to play him. I can really appreciate that. I KNOW Isaiah Thomas is a worker.

When Tyler got his garbage minutes .. He coasted. Which is good and bad .. good because during his coasting, he actually made some NBA plays. Meaning .. even if he wasn't trying very hard, you could see the NBA skill there. The problem was, he didn't come across as a guy who wanted it. He didn't seem like he wanted the ball, he didn't seem like he was ready to prove himself. He never looked like he was giving it his all. He came across as a guy who was just happy to be in the NBA. Like I said before, very Donte Greene like.

Could I be wrong? sure. Small sample size. I'll be interested to hear and see what his summer program looks like, and hopefully see another level of effort when he's on the court.

And that is common for the young draftee's vs the 4 year guys. Not to mention IT was the leader on his college team.

 

[pshn80]

If we mainly stick with a status quo roster (including getting rid of Thornton) I think we should keep Out law and Honeycutt as our 1-2 at SF. Out law would be regularly backed up by Honeycutt. If Out law didn't perform up to need then we would be getting Honeycutt readied to finally start. In this scenario we would use Thomas-Evans backed up by Fredette, Williams, Salmons and Garcia. Such a scenario would not hurt my feelings one bit, win or lose.

 

[rainmaker]

Outlaw and Cisco need to be jettisoned from this roster. They aren't helping anyone on the court. I think some are reading far too much into Outlaws last week of the season. I prefer looking at the 104 or so weeks prior to that, where he was absolute garbage, and not get carried away with false hope when we played an NCAA level Char squad, and the LAL 3rd string.

If the roster didn't change at all, TWill is our best SF. If Tyler has a great off season and makes big strides, maybe he's ready for backup duty next year. His ceiling? No one knows. But TWill is our best SF imo, and even then if he started next year that's not a good situation as we really need to upgrade at SF with a legit NBA starter. Surprisingly, Salmons is best as a backup 1 or 2, but I'd hope we either amnesty or trade him.

 

[Section 101]

Outlaw and Cisco need to be jettisoned from this roster. They aren't helping anyone on the court. I think some are reading far too much into Outlaws last week of the season. I prefer looking at the 104 or so weeks prior to that, where he was absolute garbage, and not get carried away with false hope when we played an NCAA level Char squad, and the LAL 3rd string.

If the roster didn't change at all, TWill is our best SF. If Tyler has a great off season and makes big strides, maybe he's ready for backup duty next year. His ceiling? No one knows. But TWill is our best SF imo, and even then if he started next year that's not a good situation as we really need to upgrade at SF with a legit NBA starter. Surprisingly, Salmons is best as a backup 1 or 2, but I'd hope we either amnesty or trade him.

I give Outlaw a little bit of a pass since he had a broken hand all off season. It's not like he could work on shooting etc. He still can get some value if his play improves more.

 

[pshn80]

You don't jettison players, you get better ones. First things first. One Outlaw in hand is worth two LeBrons in the bush.

 

[bajaden]

You don't jettison players, you get better ones. First things first. One Outlaw in hand is worth two LeBrons in the bush.

Where's the bush?

 

[est.1999]

You guys remember when Bibby put on some bulk? He wasn't the same player anymore.

 

[pshn80]

No extra weight for Honeycutt. Let's find the bush. Let's also have a SF look-a-like contest amongst the Kings roster. Most votes gets the job. Oh, hell, punt!!

 

[upinsmoke]

It's really hard to say what his ceiling is but if I had to guess I would say a more athletic Cisco type player with worse ball handling but slightly better passing.

 

[CruzDude]

Honeycutt is one of the reasons Bajaden and I are going to summer league this year. He has the tools and ability but needs playing time under a consistent coach. If Outlaw can play consistently like he did the last week of the season, he has 4 more years on his contract so was not playing for a contract, then Honeycutt has a year to learn and back him up and if he progresses well enough becoming the starter. I like the kid and see big time from him.