[Grades] Grades v. Jazz 3/5/11 -- Still Here Edition

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well folks, until its official I will still be here keeping the lights on. Heck maybe even after its official. Haven't made up my mind on that yet. And through all the off courst stuff, what we had was another very competiive game against a quality opponent, with some more flashes of big time stuff from our young guys, and another game coming up short late. It was a good watch, if you could bear to watch. Thronton has perhaps kicked this team's potential up even another gear. Reke, Cousins, Thronton and another high lottery pick? Or major player we swap that pcik for? And free agent money? Wish everybody could have seen that earlier, or enjoyed it cleaner next year. So anyway, on with the grades...

In recognition of ongoing events, I'm going to get sentimental here, and tonight will be the first of several Kings related themes betwen here and the end of the season. First up: Sacramento Kings: The Early Years, 85-91 (pre-Richmond)


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Greene ( D ) -- Omri missed this one with back spasms, and so Donte got the start. Unfortunately he did not give a really good reason why he should get more. Got an early dunk on a cut courtesy of Cousins, but otherwise was offensively inviisble, having one of those no boards nights, and not particularly having a defensive impact on Kirilenko despite being able to match his length. Took and missed a tough post move down the stretch of a tight game, and was replaced for most of the finish by Cisco.
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The Kings arrived in 1985 to tiny Arco 1 -- a 10,000 seat bandbox. Legend has it that people showed up ton opening nigh in suits and tuxedos to greet them. Why? I don't know -- I was too young to be a part of that, and in fact it took me a few years to fully shift my attention to the local boys from my childhood team...ahem...the Lakers. Of course at the time I had decided I was going to be a Reagonite Republican too -- you have lots of silly notions as a kid of which you grow out. Notice in the picture above Jerry Reynolds -- already with white hair 25 years ago -- as an assistant coach, and Reggie having unerringly found a way to be front and center fro the cameras. I think Mark Olberding is hidden entirely behind the mass of Joe Kleine. Not sure where Terry Tyler is.

Cousins ( B+ ) -- got the start at PF as we started the twin towers line, and I would say acquitted himself very well thank you. Very aggressive early, and we were running the offense through him as he picked the Jazz apart. Unfortunately quick foul trouble got him again, although this time it was at least on legit attempts at interior defense -- he and Daly combined for 7 blocks on the night. He was showing those great mits on the glass too. Came up with a huge o-reb and power finish +1 to get him to a first half double double wiht his 10th t and 10reb. In what could have been a critical play got called for the offensive over the back foul in the final 30 secodns of the half. It was his 3rd, and with DeMarcuse that could have meant severely limted minutes the rest of the way. Continuing to show growth in that way thought, and managed to play the final 29 minutes of this one having picked up only 1 more foul. Offensively got slowed by the Jazz interior defense as the game went on, and a lot fo his ground bound forces were getting sent back in his face. But he contiued making a lot of great passes and strong rebounds in traffic on his way to his career rebounding night. Huge power follow of a missed Thronton post move in the early 4th, and came up with two more big offensive boards and drew the foul at the 3:49 mark. But from that point forward three things became notable -- the free throw shooting got shaky, with Demarcus splitting two pairs, and then flat out choking on two of them at the 1:40 mark -- in an OT game obviously any of those made would have won it for us. Twice diown the stretch of regulation he and Beno hooked up wiht Beno playing the slasher and DeMarcus the paser in sets that reminded one a lot of the old Vlade/Webber plays. And finally, DeMarcus again maybe got a lesson in how hard it is to close out games, as we went to him again and again, and he could not finish inside. Everything was blocked or knocked away. As I said last time, bad for our record, but maybe good inthe long run. Both so that he will adapt and learn how to hit those shots, and so that it will knock his ego down a peg about others failing to hit them. So this one featured inefficient offense, but everything else was top notch. I have to respect the offensive strugles late and the critical missed FTs in the grade, but DeMarcus was clearly, and I do mean CLEARLY, the most talneted player on the floor. And I suspect in future years that's going to be said a whole bunch.
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Joe Kleine -- that is big Joe Kleine, the ultimate corn fed farm boy and first draft pic of the Sacramento Kings era that may be bookended by the drafting of another young center in DeMarcus. Fortunately the Kings are a lot better at evaluating talent now than they were then, and back in those old days the team still, and really for most of tis time, refused to rebuild, and it specilaized in seemingly every year getting the #6 or #7 pick, and then blowing those picks. Joe LKleine was famously taken instead of Karl Malone, Chris Mullin, Detlef Shrempf, Charles Oakley, Joe Dumars, A.C. Green and Terry Porter. Kenny Smith was taken ahead of Kevin Johnson, Reggie Miller, Horace Grant, Mark Jackson and Reggie Lewis etc. etc. Our drafting was a huge reason why we could not escape the lottery for all those years.

Dalembert ( C+ ) -- put up a respectable statline (there are entire seasons we would have killed for somebody who could put up 7pts 8rebs and 4blks in 24min), but really not one of Daly's best efforts. Had a couple of memorable moments including tracking and timing Devin Harris all the way down the court on a break, and swatting away his layup attempt -- back in the summer after an early look at DeMarcus I pronounced him a non-shotblocker because he just didn't move like one. On that play Daly 100% moved and thought like the shoblocker -- it was predatory. Nonethless not terribly effective early, and nto one of his better offensive efforts. Did ok against Big Al, but never shut him down. Did force him to take more jumpers than he normally does, but he can hit that shot now, and for the bigs who are effective against Daly that is normally a major reason why. Was racking up fouls from the beginning here, and eventually fouled out in the final minutes of regulation. Shouls be noted that Al did pick up the pace after Daly was gone -- he had 17 pts in the first 45 minutes, and 10 more in the final 8 to help slam the door on us, so it would be nor surprise at all if Daly was impeding him more than it appeared at a casual glance.
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Pervis Ellison -- of course the most famous draft blunder of them all for the Kings was the drafting of Pervis Ellison #1 in 1989 (yes, we actually won the lottery). But some of that really has been more legendary oversimplification than anything else. Pervis was supposedly drafted because he reminded us our complete loser of a coach at that time -- Bill Russell. And if that meant being a skinny 6'9" guy undersized for the modern game then they had it right. But there weren't many great options at the top of the draft that year -- the other bigs Stacey King, J.R. Reid and Danny Ferry all had undistinguished careers. Glen Rice or Sean Elliot would have been the better picks, but they weren't franchise guys either. And then we went a step further, and dumped him after 1 injury plagued season for peanuts -- ugly peanuts. Bob Hansen, Erick Leckner and a pick that I think became either Anthony Bonner or Duane Causewell. You don't dump #1 overalls after one season for those kind of packages, but we did. It was a move that turned out to be both stupid and prescient, as Pervis emerged wihtin 2 years as a 20-10 guy in Washington, and threatened to make us again look stupid, but just as quickly saw his career disntegrate into an eternal series of injuries.

Thornton ( B ) -- Marcus got his first start for us, and in the early going you wondered if it was a good idea -- with DeMarcus rolling, Marcus was kind of a forgotten man. Of course that would be even more true once Reke is back and he and DeMarcus are out there together. Hit his first shot, and it was a turnaround in the post. But otherwise wasn't really involved with DeMarcus being the show. Interestingly came more alive once Taylor checked in for Beno. With essentially a no-PG look in the backcourt, I think it let Thornton bring the ball up and take the shots he wanted to take. Of course that may or may not have been a great thing as there were a few too many quick 1 on 1 forces tonight, and those are the shots he has to tame out of his game in order to fit smoothly into a system. But he also quicjky canned two threes, and made a lightning split of a double up hihg to slash in for hsi 10th point. Was also coming up with some strong physical d-boards using his hops in there, although it seems to be a few spectacular ones here and there for him rather than that boarding rhythm Reke gets into. Started the 4th with a quick 5pt burst. Some selfish 1 on1 shots again, but agina they were going so you jsut shrug for the moment. Came up with the biggest shot fo the game for the Kings when he hit the huge clutch three off of the good ball miovemnent at the 14 secon mark -- an extra clutch shooter at the end of games could again be a huge thing with Reke and DeMarcus. But made back to back mistakes in the OT, trying to split a double out of a timeout and turning it over, and then missing a three next time down. And at the end of the day this may have proven more by being a standard 20pt scoring game -- the shooting was only 8-21, there were TOs -- than he has proven to date with the ridiculous 10-16 type shooting nights. Reaosn being that this was legit -- this was the game that showed that even when starting, even when not on fire, he might STILL be a 20pt scorer even on of days. Lots of guys can score big when tehy are hot. In a lot of ways the real test is do you continue to even when you're not? Not going to help his grade mind you, but something to keep in mind going forward.
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Sampson and his knees -- and Derek Smith and his knees. And Rodney McCray and his desease, or whatever. And Lionel Simmons and his knees and... Ralph here jsut beomes a poster oy for a larger trend for the Kings -- unable to draft their own talent, they made move after move to pick up to team's roleplayers or washed up long term injured guys on the theory that they were on TV once, maybe they'll recover their mojo and get us there. Did not work that way, and added cap woes paying all these non-productive players to everything else.
 
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Udrih ( B- ) -- got off to a slow start, and had to sit with 2 fouls before he had accomplished anything. Largely an AWOL first half, and despite DeMarcus's heroics, this team still can't have Beno disappearing on it with Reke out or it will fall behind. Started to get aggressive in the third, although Harris is a tough defender and was making him work for it. Got the whole game going, with the exception of the long bombs, and ran off 10pts in the quarter as we heated up to make a game of it. In the 4th, with the pressure on and us collapsing, Beno pulled up for a three...and airballed it. Tried to make up for it by twice int eh final three minutes cutting to the front of the hoop and getting hit by DeMarcus for key late game layups. Barely missed the game winning 3pt heave at the end of regulation. Notched a couple of assists in the early OT, but wasn't enough.
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Jerry Reynolds passes out -- in what became a famous early incident for us, Jerry Reynolds, by that time head coach, suddenly collpased along the sidelines of a game at Arco in 1988. Fainted dead away from hyperventilation. Not knowing this, the refs in the game actually gave him a technical foul thinking he was showing them up.

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Taylor ( B- ) -- came in the game in place of Beno as we tried a new PGless look with Taylor/Thornton early. And actualy did a good job of passing and setting people up which he has shown on and off since he started getting major minutes. had sevveral nice drive and dishes, and looked nicely aggressive slashing to the hoop. On the other hand his ballhandling was exposed as he was stripped several times trying to make plays, and he was shaky from the stripe. After half minutes got squeezed by strong play from Beno and our continued reliance on Thronton's perimeter scoring, but got a dunk out on the break from DeMarcus, and really was playing the whole game with confidence -- like he belonged. Was back in for the final offensive play out of the timeout with 18 seconds to go in OT and threw a bad pass for a TO trying to feed Cousins -- Cousins got his wish for the inbounder to try to hit him in that situation, and sure enough it was a turnover. Those turnovrs are what held down the grade in what otherwise was a solid NBA level guard performance.
Playoffs in Inaugural Season -- I wanted to avoid the obvious Ricky Berry mention as this theme was starting to get as depressing as watching a Jersey Shore cast member try to point out the United States on a map, and so I decided to go with this: the Kiongs made the playoffs in their very first season in Sacramento. Now they made it as a #8 seed with a 37-44 record and got swept in the first round 3-0 (in those days the first ound was 5 games). But still. The Tuesday night jinx the announcer on that littel clip is referring to was a remarkable streak in that first season in which the Kings never lost a home game on a Tuesday night. Think they were something like 14-0 or some such in those games, although my details are fuzzy after all this time.

Thompson ( B- ) -- not terribly effective off the bench early, and yet managed to pick up his customary 3 fouls in less than 10 minutes. Some good aggressive d-boards in the 2nd half as he played a bigger role, and got a chance down the stretch after Daly fouled out. Hit a clutch jumper at the 1:45 mark to put us back up late. Missed a shot with under a minute to go, but hustled and banged and stole it back to give us another possession. Run over by Big Al for a basket to put the Jazz up 3 at the 25 second mark. Tried to go at Big Al in OT, likely to get that 6th foul we needed, but to mixed effect at best, and meanwhile Al poured it on the other way.
Kings outscored 40-4 in first quarter by the Lakers -- these are the sorts of memorable moments you get over an era when the team never won more than 37 games and were lottery perennials. It was a beatdown of infamous proportions that cost the Kings first coach (Phil Johnson, Jerry Sloan's longtime assistant who just retired wiht him) his job. And some nice Lakers fan has been kind enough to upload the whole quarter to youtube. Its interesting to listen to Chick Hearn pleading with Phil Johnson to call a timeout and make some substitutions, and at one point rooting for the Kings to get a hoop because it was humiliating. You also had a little note thrown in by him about how the Kings were guaranteed 10,333 fans no matter what happened in this one, and that they had just begun building their new building up there (in Sacto). That would be the current Arco. Check out the hairstyles of the ladies at the sideline and tell me that building's not old. By the end of that video posted above the score was 22-0. If you're really a glutton here is PT II to get you to the end of the quarter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbBJQbt3hiA&feature=related .


Jackson ( C+ ) -- got a few spot minutes in the first quarter as we tried to match Kirlienko, and got a big flying dunk slicing down the lane on a nice feed from Thornton. Played through most of the 2nd quarter, grabbed some boards, but was otherwise largely invisible, and kept getting his shots inside smushed.
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The Four Tops -- I could not believe I could not find a single picture of the following 4 guys together: Lionel Simmons, Travis Mays, Duane Causwell, and Anthony Bonner. What? Did nobody have cameras back then? Did nobody recognize the obvious connection/significance? Anyway, the year was 1990, and we decided to start the new decade off wiht an actual rebuilding plan of sorts. The sort of thing you draw up in a computer game/fantasy basketball. Our idea? Become the first tema ever to accumulate 4 first roudn draft picks in the same draft, clear out virtually every vet on the team, and start over. Hey, we tried. Unfortunately a) the 4 picks were not the 1,3,5 and 7 picks int he draft, they were the #7, #14, #18 and #24? picks in the draft, which roughly translates to one could/should be good player and three question marks. Secondly, it turned out to be a weka draft. And finally we were the team that could not draft straight, and here we put together a plan where we would load up on draft picks and depend on drafting the right guys to save us. Not so much, although Simmons was of course a very good player before his knees evaporated.
 
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Demarcus from teh first 4 quarters= A+
Tired, worn out Demarcus from overtime: F-

So he's in shape but not quite in that shape
 
Some ill advised decisions down the stretch. Besides all that Cousins played like a man out there, he kept banging with the Utah players but didn't get rewarded as often as he should have. Garcia's first game back from injury was a beauty. He takes his three point shots so confidently and that's what we need him to do. Dalembert disappointed me big time, he's supposed to be one of our better defenders and he couldn't do anything about Jefferson.
 
In recognition of ongoing events, I'm going to get sentimental here, and tonight will be the first of several Kings related themes betwen here and the end of the season. First up: Sacramento Kings: The Early Years, 85-91 (pre-Richmond)

Offical Boxscore

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Why do I have to be such a girl and start getting emotional before anything is final? Darn you, estrogen! :mad:
 
You know what was the best part of the game? The play to set up Thornton for a 3 and send it into OT. I was like ... DID WE JUST ACTUALLY RUN A PROPER PLAY TO GET A GUY A WIDE OPEN 3??

Thornton is going to be a very valuable piece for us, but needs to learn to play with the guys more. He is a very good scorer but has a tendency to force things. It may be ok now, but such things cannot be overlooked if we're trying to build a good team.
 
My first thought was that the Thornton 3 to tie was actually a broken play, I was shocked he was that wide open as well!

When Thornton did his crossover in the first half to split the defenders and get a layup, I posted that was a nice move, but then he tried it again at the end and got the ball picked instead. Anyway, he looks to be a very nice pickup so far, especially with Tyreke out.
 
Back-to-back incredibly strong games by Cousins.
The Cousins vs. Favors match-up looks sort of how I'd picture a Derrick Williams vs. Perry Jones III match-up. Favors may have a high upside, but Cousins is just dominating right now.
Thorton's making the most of his playing opportunity, but I really hope that Tyreke can get back on the court so we can see if they can play well off each other.

This team has so much potential and is poised to get so much better in the next few months...it just gets me so excited to see if Petrie will be able to put everything together and assemble a championship caliber team.
 
Does anyone feel that our guards try to split the double team too often? I find that whenever our big comes to set a screen, be it for Tyreke or Thornton, they always try to split the double team instead of just running a simple pick and roll or moving the ball. It's something that I feel contributes to a significant number of our turnovers. That, and DMC dribbling through traffic are our main sources of turnovers IMO (not counting JT and DMC's standard 2 offensive fouls/gm).
 
Does anyone feel that our guards try to split the double team too often? I find that whenever our big comes to set a screen, be it for Tyreke or Thornton, they always try to split the double team instead of just running a simple pick and roll or moving the ball. It's something that I feel contributes to a significant number of our turnovers. That, and DMC dribbling through traffic are our main sources of turnovers IMO (not counting JT and DMC's standard 2 offensive fouls/gm).

Wow! Talk about hitting nail on head! IMHO running a pick-and-roll with Cousins and JT should be play #1 and run 4-5 times a quarter due to Cousins passing ability when he is double teamed. Of course he (and JT) would need to recognize when they get doubled off the PAR so they can pass to the open man. Anh, one can hope!
 
I continue to be amazed how little Donte does when he gets an opportunity. Couldn't even tell he was out there most of the time.
 
Well folks, until its official I will still be here keeping the lights on. Heck maybe even after its official. Haven't made up my mind on that yet. And through all the off courst stuff, what we had was another very competiive game against a quality opponent, with some more flashes of big time stuff from our young guys, and another game coming up short late. It was a good watch, if you could bear to watch. Thronton has perhaps kicked this team's potential up even another gear. Reke, Cousins, Thronton and another high lottery pick? Or major player we swap that pcik for? And free agent money? Wish everybody could have seen that earlier, or enjoyed it cleaner next year. So anyway, on with the grades...

In recognition of ongoing events, I'm going to get sentimental here, and tonight will be the first of several Kings related themes betwen here and the end of the season. First up: Sacramento Kings: The Early Years, 85-91 (pre-Richmond)


Offical Boxscore

Greene ( D ) -- Omri missed this one with back spasms, and so Donte got the start. Unfortunately he did not give a really good reason why he should get more. Got an early dunk on a cut courtesy of Cousins, but otherwise was offensively inviisble, having one of those no boards nights, and not particularly having a defensive impact on Kirilenko despite being able to match his length. Took and missed a tough post move down the stretch of a tight game, and was replaced for most of the finish by Cisco.
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The Kings arrived in 1985 to tiny Arco 1 -- a 10,000 seat bandbox. Legend has it that people showed up ton opening nigh in suits and tuxedos to greet them. Why? I don't know -- I was too young to be a part of that, and in fact it took me a few years to fully shift my attention to the local boys from my childhood team...ahem...the Lakers. Of course at the time I had decided I was going to be a Reagonite Republican too -- you have lots of silly notions as a kid of which you grow out. Notice in the picture above Jerry Reynolds -- already with white hair 25 years ago -- as an assistant coach, and Reggie having unerringly found a way to be front and center fro the cameras. I think Mark Olberding is hidden entirely behind the mass of Joe Kleine. Not sure where Terry Tyler is.
Great photo. Made me look to see if I was in the picture. Of course I wasn't, our tickets in the old arena were in the second tier. Seeing those faces is great. They lost and we loved 'em.
 
My first thought was that the Thornton 3 to tie was actually a broken play, I was shocked he was that wide open as well!

When Thornton did his crossover in the first half to split the defenders and get a layup, I posted that was a nice move, but then he tried it again at the end and got the ball picked instead. Anyway, he looks to be a very nice pickup so far, especially with Tyreke out.

If you go back and watch that play again, you'll see that what sprung Thornton open was a screen. I'm not saying he was the first option, because I don't know what they called. But they clearly were trying to get him open for a shot.
 
Great photo. Made me look to see if I was in the picture. Of course I wasn't, our tickets in the old arena were in the second tier. Seeing those faces is great. They lost and we loved 'em.

Typically, Joe Kleine was asleep at the wheel. Just like most of is career. I played golf in the foursome behind Otis Thorpe once at Auburn Valley Country Club. Words can't describe it. Very nice guy though.
 
Wow! Talk about hitting nail on head! IMHO running a pick-and-roll with Cousins and JT should be play #1 and run 4-5 times a quarter due to Cousins passing ability when he is double teamed. Of course he (and JT) would need to recognize when they get doubled off the PAR so they can pass to the open man. Anh, one can hope!

Couldnt agree more. I've been preaching for more pick and rolls and pick and pops all year, but to no avail. Landry alluded to this when talking about the difference between the "offense" the Kings run and the offense in HOU. Said Adelman would just pick and roll teams to death. They won 22 straight doing that, without T Mac and Yao. It is the most basic play in basketball, not to mention we have an ideal pick and roll/pop player in Cousins.
 
I loved the notes on the original Kings and it reminded me of our first GM, Joe Axelson. For all those who complain about Petrie, Axelson set the mark for awfulness. Absolutely no judgment and I don't understnad how he kept that position so long. A lot of it had to do with the total lack of basketball knowledge of the ownership but someone before Luckenbill hired this guy. He could dismantle a contender in a blink of an eye and his player shuffling led to the record setting streak where the Kings never broke .500 for about a decade, the worst in all pro sports. A record, I suspect, that will never be broken.

The shame of it is that the fans including me were naive and kind of thought this was OK.