Ty Thomas

And I wanted Carmelo Anthony...

Sometimes, you just have to face the fact you aren't going to get the cream of the crop from the draft.

;)
 
I'd take Tyrus or Lamarcus Aldridge. If we could trade up to #1 without giving up Mike/Ron/Kevin that'd be great but I doubt it.
 
Sirius said:
I think Brad is worth a bit more than that.
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I doubt many in the Bulls camp would agree. At least in any normal draft you are hoping a #2 pick can become a flat out star while Brad is merely...solid I guess. Hard to say with this draft, but basically if there are ANY stars at all in this draft, you should be able to nab one at #2.

Couple of things though:

a) its the sort of thing that is remotely possible as the Bulls have a lot of youth and as a lower rung playoff team may be looking to take that next step in the here and NOW, not waiting for it to develop.

b) And of course the colossal roster hole on the Bulls is exactly at C

c) however, the Maloofs have been spouting off all summer how they think we are a contender yadda yadda yadda, and if that's so, they might not be eager to get a young guy who wouldn't be ready to help during our mythological window here.

d) of course Geoff might still get to make that call, maybe, but then again Geoff has shown little or no propensity for either making moves to move up in the draft to go after stars (like ever as far as I can recall), nor for actually drafting big men with our picks. The ONLY big man Geoff has ever drafted in the first round that I can recall was Brain Grant, and that was 10-12 years ago, and he was only 6'8".
 
^I think for the most part Geoff's hesitance to draft bigs in the draft is a good move. There are very, very few bigs who pan out relative to the number that are drafted and how high they are drafted, and even the ones that do pan out often take a few years (and a new team) in order to work.

But in this case, given the way the league is moving to smaller and quicker and the fact that both Tyrus Thomas and LaMarcus Aldridge can shoot from outside in addition to being better post players and defenders, I'd be all for trading Brad to the Bulls for the #2.

I agree with Bricklayer -- at this point, any claim of being contenders is mythological as long as Bibby and Miller suck on defense the way they did last year. Might as well shoot for a window two years from now.
 
Here's a trade that would get us the #2 pick so we could get Aldridge or Thomas:

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Jason Hart

6-3 PG from Syracuse

3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes

Vitaly Potapenko

6-10 C from Wright State

2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.6 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim

6-9 PF from California

12.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 27.2 minutes

Incoming

#2 Pick

Darius Songaila

6-8 PF from Wake Forrest

9.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.4 minutes

Adonal Foyle

6-10 C from Colgate

4.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.7 minutes

Change in team

outlook: -4.4 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and -1.7 apg.

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

#2 Pick

Mike Sweetney

6-8 PF from Georgetown

8.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.6 minutes

Darius Songaila

6-8 PF from Wake Forrest

9.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.4 minutes
Incoming
Shareef Abdur-Rahim

6-9 PF from California

12.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 27.2 minutes

#9 Pick

Change in team outlook: -5.0 ppg, -4.3 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

Golden State Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Adonal Foyle

6-10 C from Colgate

4.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.7 minutes#9 Pick

Incoming

Jason Hart

6-3 PG from Syracuse

3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes

Vitaly Potapenko

6-10 C from Wright State

2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.6 minutes

Mike Sweetney

6-8 PF from Georgetown

8.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +9.4 ppg, +2.8 rpg, and +1.9 apg.

Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento, Chicago, and Golden State being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento, Chicago, and Golden State had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade IDEvery trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 3149691.


Why Golden state does it: They are desperate to get rid of Foyle's contract. Mike Sweetney is a decent PF. This makes room for their other younger big guys. I thought about tossing in #19 but wasn't sure.


Why Chicago does it: With Tyson Chandler and maybe Ben Wallace playing C they need a PF that can score. Shareef can be their #2 guy and give them some post scoring(which they don't have right now). They move down to #9 so they can still get a younger PF/C such as Patrick O'bryant to go with their other core players. A starting line up of
Kirk Hinrich
Ben Gordon
Luol Deng
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Ben Wallace
with a bench of:
Chris Duhon
Andres Nocioni
Tyson Chandler
+other guys they can sign with their cap room
looks like a contender to me. It has defense, shotblocking, post scoring, shooting, and slashing.


Why the kings do it:

Adonal Foyle has a bad contract but he's a good defender and good shotblocker. He'd be a good back up for Brad that can give us 20 MPG. He's played for Musselman before and I don't think they clashed. The pick can get us Lamarcus Aldridge or Tyrus Thomas. I believe both of them can come in and contribute to our team. Lamarcus is a mature guy who can score in the post, play man to man defense, hit an outside jumper, and block shots. Tyrus would fit well too because he hustles and runs the floor very well. He's a great shotblocker and a good man to man defender. He's also a good rebounder.

Maybe I should've made this my own topic but this one got me wondering how we could get #2.
 
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I know I'm going against the flow on this one, but I think Thomas and Aldridge will both flop. Thomas is a 6'9" 220 lb. PF. That's pretty small. He'll get worked in the post, no matter how athletic he is. Also, he doesn't really have post moves, he's all about put backs and all that stuff. His jumper isn't anything to scream about either. For a possible number one pick, I think he's a pretty weak prospect. Aldridge has a little more size and skill, but he often faded out of some games and never really dominated like he should of in college. I don't think either guy is gonna be a star, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them be a complete bust. I'm no expert though. :D
 
walker60 said:
I know I'm going against the flow on this one, but I think Thomas and Aldridge will both flop. Thomas is a 6'9" 220 lb. PF. That's pretty small. He'll get worked in the post, no matter how athletic he is. Also, he doesn't really have post moves, he's all about put backs and all that stuff. His jumper isn't anything to scream about either. For a possible number one pick, I think he's a pretty weak prospect. Aldridge has a little more size and skill, but he often faded out of some games and never really dominated like he should of in college. I don't think either guy is gonna be a star, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them be a complete bust. I'm no expert though. :D
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Ty Thomas says to everybody who is willing to listen that he may be (I saw even "wants to be") a SF so I don't know what to think about him.
"Aldridge has a little more size and skill" - good joke. Aldridge has very wide arcenal of post moves though he's fallen in love with his not so efficient turnaround, his ball-handling is better than Tyrus has right now and his jumper is more consistent.
Draft 2003 was considered 3 players deep. Most people thought about Bosh that he was very talented but too skinny, inconsistant and a bit soft. Aldridge is much better defender than Bosh was entering the draft so even if LaMarcus is not as good on offense as Bosh they are still comparable overall talents.
 
BMiller52 said:
Here's a trade that would get us the #2 pick so we could get Aldridge or Thomas:

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Jason Hart

6-3 PG from Syracuse

3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes

Vitaly Potapenko

6-10 C from Wright State

2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.6 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim

6-9 PF from California

12.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 27.2 minutes

Incoming

#2 Pick

Darius Songaila

6-8 PF from Wake Forrest

9.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.4 minutes

Adonal Foyle

6-10 C from Colgate

4.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.7 minutes

Change in team

outlook: -4.4 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and -1.7 apg.

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

#2 Pick

Mike Sweetney

6-8 PF from Georgetown

8.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.6 minutes

Darius Songaila

6-8 PF from Wake Forrest

9.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.4 minutes
Incoming
Shareef Abdur-Rahim

6-9 PF from California

12.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.1 apg in 27.2 minutes

#9 Pick

Change in team outlook: -5.0 ppg, -4.3 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

Golden State Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Adonal Foyle

6-10 C from Colgate

4.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.7 minutes#9 Pick

Incoming

Jason Hart

6-3 PG from Syracuse

3.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes

Vitaly Potapenko

6-10 C from Wright State

2.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.6 minutes

Mike Sweetney

6-8 PF from Georgetown

8.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +9.4 ppg, +2.8 rpg, and +1.9 apg.

Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento, Chicago, and Golden State being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento, Chicago, and Golden State had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade IDEvery trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 3149691.


Why Golden state does it: They are desperate to get rid of Foyle's contract. Mike Sweetney is a decent PF. This makes room for their other younger big guys. I thought about tossing in #19 but wasn't sure.


Why Chicago does it: With Tyson Chandler and maybe Ben Wallace playing C they need a PF that can score. Shareef can be their #2 guy and give them some post scoring(which they don't have right now). They move down to #9 so they can still get a younger PF/C such as Patrick O'bryant to go with their other core players. A starting line up of
Kirk Hinrich
Ben Gordon
Luol Deng
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Ben Wallace
with a bench of:
Chris Duhon
Andres Nocioni
Tyson Chandler
+other guys they can sign with their cap room
looks like a contender to me. It has defense, shotblocking, post scoring, shooting, and slashing.


Why the kings do it:

Adonal Foyle has a bad contract but he's a good defender and good shotblocker. He'd be a good back up for Brad that can give us 20 MPG. He's played for Musselman before and I don't think they clashed. The pick can get us Lamarcus Aldridge or Tyrus Thomas. I believe both of them can come in and contribute to our team. Lamarcus is a mature guy who can score in the post, play man to man defense, hit an outside jumper, and block shots. Tyrus would fit well too because he hustles and runs the floor very well. He's a great shotblocker and a good man to man defender. He's also a good rebounder.

Maybe I should've made this my own topic but this one got me wondering how we could get #2.
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cmon dude, this is the second pick of the draft. no way in hell does chicago trade it for SAR. they can get TT or Aldridge who are power forwards also. if your gonna throw somethin out there at least be somewhat realistic. if you had the second pick of the draft would you trade it for SAR? hell freaking no
 
You know reading is helpful... If you actually read the trade you'd see they get the 9th pick AND SAR. The Bulls only move down 7 spots to get SAR. Would I do SAR for #2? No. Would I do SAR+#9 for the #2 if I'm the bulls? Probably. They need a low post scorer badly and when SAR starts he can put up 17/7. They can still grab a good player with #9. They're also probably going to sign Ben Wallace. Where are they going to get any offense from the frontcourt if their starting frontcourt is Tyson+Ben Wallace. After the trade(if they drafted Patrick O'bryant) their rotation would look something like this:
Hinrich/Duhon
Gordon/Hinrich
Deng/Nocioni
SAR/Chandler
Wallace/O'bryant


If anyone gets ripped it's GS but they want to get rid of Foyle because they have Biedrins. If they get ripped really bad we could give them Garcia who would probably start over that excuse for a basketball player Dunleavy.
 
BMiller52 said:
You know reading is helpful... If you actually read the trade you'd see they get the 9th pick AND SAR. The Bulls only move down 7 spots to get SAR. Would I do SAR for #2? No. Would I do SAR+#9 for the #2 if I'm the bulls? Probably.
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I read the whole trade idea and if I'm the Bulls I laugh in your face.

Sorry, but SAR and the #9 for the #2? Why? They can get someone better at the #2 and they're still in great shape to go shopping in the FA market.
 
walker60 said:
I know I'm going against the flow on this one, but I think Thomas and Aldridge will both flop. Thomas is a 6'9" 220 lb. PF. That's pretty small. He'll get worked in the post, no matter how athletic he is. Also, he doesn't really have post moves, he's all about put backs and all that stuff. His jumper isn't anything to scream about either. For a possible number one pick, I think he's a pretty weak prospect. Aldridge has a little more size and skill, but he often faded out of some games and never really dominated like he should of in college. I don't think either guy is gonna be a star, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them be a complete bust. I'm no expert though. :D
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He's also 19. So there's a pretty fair chance that he packs on 15-20 pounds within a year or two. Thomas' skill is underrated too, I haven't watched him play a whole lot, but there were clips of him in the tourney handling the ball, crossing over, and doing spin moves. He scored 12 points on 60% shooting as a Freshman, so he had to be doing something right.

There's a chance he flops on offense, but he's pretty much can't miss on defense. He's just too quick, long, and hungry not to be a disruptive force. I'd take him over Aldridge because he seems tougher.
 
I think the Bulls might do that. SAR is a good, veteran player with a discounted contract and that's a valuable thing. There's really no sure things in this draft, and they've already said they'd consider trading it for a veteran. SAR would be a real nice fit for them, with Nocioni, Deng, and Chandler around him he wouldn't need to be a bigtime rebounder.

I just don't think the Warriors would do it, but maybe it could be sweetened a little bit for them.
 
Kev.in said:
Even more than he overrates Kenyon Martin.

Unbelieveable.
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It's not even that bad. SAR WHEN STARTING is a 17/7.5 guy. A Tyrus Thomas/Tyson Chandler/Ben Wallace frontcourt will score a total of about 8 points per game. The bulls have no post scoring. You guys are overrating the hell out of this pick in a mediocre draft The #9th pick is only 7 spots later. SAR can come in and contribute on offense RIGHT AWAY. I mean seriously a guy who can give them 17 points+7-8 rebounds for the MLE and another lottery pick for a pick in a mediocre draft and some fill in guys isn't that bad.
 
What's the big deal about Aldridge? I didn't get to see him play much but he really didn't impress me. Stats aren't that great either.

Just kind of weird that Williams game is much better, and he is not as high of a prospect. Is it because he played 4 years, and pretty much what you see is what you get?
 
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reefer man is way overrated N is equivilant to a black hole. when he has the ball in his hands, there is no movement in the offense. one thing he has that the kings lack is the back to the basket game. he does his post move then finishes w/ this extended 1/3rd or 1/2 hook. that is the only thing that i like about the guy. everything else about him is average.
i'll tell ya right now the bulls would not move down that low unless they absolutely knew they were getting someone they wanted all along. they have a gaping hole at center and SG to fill. if they do make any trades it will be most likely for those 2 positions.
 
BMiller52 said:
It's not even that bad. SAR WHEN STARTING is a 17/7.5 guy. A Tyrus Thomas/Tyson Chandler/Ben Wallace frontcourt will score a total of about 8 points per game. The bulls have no post scoring. You guys are overrating the hell out of this pick in a mediocre draft The #9th pick is only 7 spots later. SAR can come in and contribute on offense RIGHT AWAY. I mean seriously a guy who can give them 17 points+7-8 rebounds for the MLE and another lottery pick for a pick in a mediocre draft and some fill in guys isn't that bad.
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who is going to play center? isn't chandler a PF? unless they plan to play chandler at center and reef at the 4, i don't see why the bulls would jump on the SAR trade wagon.
 
KMart23 said:
who is going to play center? isn't chandler a PF? unless they plan to play chandler at center and reef at the 4, i don't see why the bulls would jump on the SAR trade wagon.
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Chandler played center all year and defended Shaq in the playoffs. There are also rumors that the bulls will sign Ben Wallace. Don't you think a line up of Hinrich/Gordon/Deng/Reef/Wallace with Duhon, Nocioni, Tyson Chandler, and people they can still sign+their draft pick off the bench is a contender in the east?
 
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