Travis Outlaw

OptimusRhyme said:
He was just Amnestied by the Nets.

I don't know much about him other then hes a vet, hes got a decent shot, hops, length, height and he was a solid role-playing SF for the Trailblazers for a cuple years. Is he worth a contract to get us to the minimum? I think he would be an upgrade over any of our back-up Small forwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Outlaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FC5IIV2u9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1naL1Zp2IG8
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I would say so. The beauty of the amnesty with Outlaw is that the Kigns can bid a certain amount, say $1.5M, and then they have his rights at that amount for the remaining four years on his contract. Even if he's not a great fit on the Kings that would be an attractive, cheap trade piece.
 
hammystyle said:
I would say so. The beauty of the amnesty with Outlaw is that the Kigns can bid a certain amount, say $1.5M, and then they have his rights at that amount for the remaining four years on his contract. Even if he's not a great fit on the Kings that would be an attractive, cheap trade piece.
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Yes, yes, and yes.

However, I do recall he had a pretty bad knee injury last season?
 
hammystyle said:
I would say so. The beauty of the amnesty with Outlaw is that the Kigns can bid a certain amount, say $1.5M, and then they have his rights at that amount for the remaining four years on his contract. Even if he's not a great fit on the Kings that would be an attractive, cheap trade piece.
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Im not too familiar with the amnesty rules. So if we were to offer him a contract would we be forced too take him for four years no less?

I would prefer a 2 year contract with a 3rd team option or something.

And from what I'm reading about Outlaw hes a pretty solid defender, just incosistent at times. But he does have all the tools to be a great defender. So he may fit in with the rotation better then expcted.. Hes a glue guy vet and this young team could use another.

plus those dunks are effing rediculous. hes like michael jordan in the final scene of space jam.
 
OptimusRhyme said:
Im not too familiar with the amnesty rules. So if we were to offer him a contract would we be forced too take him for four years no less?
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Yes, but I believe we would be able to trade him (and his "new" contract) after one year, just not to the Nets.
 
Outlaw cannot shoot at all, don't know where that perception has come from. He's OK from the 3 point line when he's set, but overall he's a pretty bad shooter.
 
The timing is all wrong for us though.

We need to maintain salary cap flexibility so that we have room to work with to sing AK47 and/or another major piece so bidding on Outlaw's contract now would eat into that cap space.
 
i wasnt aware of all his injuries, hes like sam jackson from unbreakable. we really need to figure this SF thing out... Salmons isnt even technically a SF... What happends if he goes down? we play Donte and Honeycutt? in a season were trying to make a playoff run i dont think thatll fly. Blehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
OptimusRhyme said:
i wasnt aware of all his injuries, hes like sam jackson from unbreakable. we really need to figure this SF thing out... Salmons isnt even technically a SF... What happends if he goes down? we play Donte and Honeycutt? in a season were trying to make a playoff run i dont think thatll fly. Blehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Cisco again.

But its not just picking up a SF to have a SF. Salmons is good enough given our stars at other positionss if we are just talking some sort of general talent level. And we've got three more guys behind him, although I have doubts Honeycutt is ready to help at the NBA level yet. But its the style of the player. We have a very particular need for a defensive roleplayer, and really if possible a defensive captain at that position.
 
Bricklayer said:
Cisco again.

But its not just picking up a SF to have a SF. Salmons is good enough given our stars at other positionss if we are just talking some sort of general talent level. And we've got three more guys behind him, although I have doubts Honeycutt is ready to help at the NBA level yet. But its the style of the player. We have a very particular need for a defensive roleplayer, and really if possible a defensive captain at that position.
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I consider Cisco a G more then a SF.. Gangsta and Guard.. but we need some size there, dontes got that the appropriate size and possible defensive talent but hes a goon. And we'll prolly be forced to play him when we go against Durant, Gay, Lewis, Anthony, Deng,Granger,Lebron, ect ect.. Even with Salmons defensive ability i think he would get eaten up by those guys strictly because of size..

I dunno i guess we'll see if they cut it, i miss world peace..
 
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.... Why? Donte Greene is better than this guy. This is as bad as the Antoine Wright signing last year.
 
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Last we see of Donte Greene most likely. Although isn't Outlaw injured?

Depending on how much it cost it's a good pickup. Guess AK wants to stay in Russia after all.
 
cuad said:
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.... Why? Donte Greene is better than this guy. This is as bad as the Antoine Wright signing last year.
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Damn i shoulda made a thread about Josh Smith...

But honestly Outlaws way better then Greene. He was good role-player on a successful Trailblazers team. Hes a vet and knows his role.
 
His offense:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpPL4lWjT4Y

His defense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zXv0Gsobls

vs. John Salmons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJwPnMuCxjk

vs. white rookies
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OydLpBGukR8

His dunking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU_U1rh_V0c

His veteran influence:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ne...ness-brooks-surgery-and-the-brooklyn-prospect
Travis Outlaw was a frequent member of Avery Johnson’s preseason Breakfast Club...a morning workout the coach instituted last year to whip certain players into shape.

Outlaw was Johnson's target for arriving into camp out of shape and, according to Billy King, the setback affected his entire season, which was disappointing after the small forward signed a five-year, $35 million deal.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/09/trail_blazers_training_camp_ev.html
The Blazers escaped their first test of the season without any hiccups Tuesday night, when the entire team passed coach Nate McMillan's training camp conditioning test.

Rarely does everyone pass the grueling test...Andre Miller didn't pass last season and former players Travis Outlaw and Sebastian Telfair also have struggled through the years.
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Conclusion: not even better than Tyler Honeycutt.

Outlaw has only one saving grace: for some reason, he turns into Jordan in the clutch. It's like LeBrons 4th quarter gene fell off at birth and became Travis Outlaw.
 
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Travis Outlaw is an MLE-type of player. He isn't a star or a rookie, but can be a servicable role-player on a good team.
I believe he's out with a wrist injury so he probably won't be playing for a while.

The real question is how much did picking him up cost us.
He was owed exactly 7mil/year for the next few years. So if we were able to pick him up for under 4mil/year then I think it's a good pick-up.
He's 28 years old, so he should be able to play well through his contract.
 
i am so confused, I mean I understand if we could get AK he could be an upgrade at SF and it would be worth it to add to our overcrowding at the SF position

But to ad another back-up SF? Where would he fit into the rotation?

Salmons
Cisco
Greene
Honeycut?

Can any of these 5 provide backup depth at the PF position?

I would understand using him at long-term backup at SF

Stockpileing more assets for a mid-year trade?

Sure seems it gonna be crowded big time 5 players for one position?
 
Just got that too...*sigh* Great...everyones getting hurt and we have Outlaw to give minutes to on a consistent basis...I pray we can convince Dalembert and Kirilenko to come here otherwise its not looking very good.
 
?OptimusRhyme said:
every post i read from you is hate. obviously he is better then tyler honeycutt or petrie wouldnt have got him.
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But we've already got Salmons, Garcia and Donte...what was the urgency to sign another average at best SF when we need to be throwing a fort load of dough at Dalembert! Kirilenko is a different beast and we should still get him if we can, but Outlaw is coming off 2 broken bone injuries, and he can't shoot a lick...why Geoff??
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
But we've already got Salmons, Garcia and Donte...what was the urgency to sign another average at best SF when we need to be throwing a fort load of dough at Dalembert! Kirilenko is a different beast and we should still get him if we can, but Outlaw is coming off 2 broken bone injuries, and he can't shoot a lick...why Geoff??
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Well. One, hes a vet glue guy with experience on a winning club. two, hes 3 inches taller and way longer then Garcia or Salmons. Three, He way more athletic then Salmons , Garica... He'll be able to match up better Defensively with the bigger SFs in the league.

hes hit 273-794 3FG's in his career. 34 % career 3pt shooter, hes not great but he will hit the open three. Plus I'm sure we didnt get him for his scoring since we have enough at all other positions. we got him for his defense/length, athleticism, solid rebounding and vet exp. .. any offense will be a plus. + he is the best dunker on our team now so he'll be good for some highlight jams.
 
cuad said:
This article here suggests that Travis Outlaw was a PF in Portland, to answer JKbiker.

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/10/travis_outlaw_embracing_transi.html
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Outlaw is definitely a SF. He's 6'9, but he's a skinny 6'9 and probably weighs in under 215 pounds.

Whether this is a good pick-up is completely dependant on what we bid for him.
I think he's probably around a 5mil/year type of player, though with Salmons/Garcia/Donte/Honeycutt, and the possibility of adding AK, I wouldn't pay 5 million to have him on our team.
If, however, we got him in the 2/3 mil range, then that's an exceptionally good bargain. And if we can't land AK, then having that SF depth could prove incredibly valuable this year.
 
What are the trade rules for an amnestied claimed player. Would a team just trade the bidded price to another team or would the original contract be the traded value? I'm assuming the bidded contract, but you never know.

3 mil a year is a great price for Outlaw.
 
cuad said:
This article here suggests that Travis Outlaw was a PF in Portland, to answer JKbiker.

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/10/travis_outlaw_embracing_transi.html
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Not a chance in hell is he a PF. He's played the SF position his entire career, and very few, if any, PF skills. Plus he's a little on the light side for the position. He's certainly fallen from grace since leaving Portland, but was highly thought of once. Maybe Petrie see's something in him that others don't. He has the look of a good defensive player with his length, but its never really translated to the court for some reason. I wonder if there's a trade in the works. At least we have quanity, if not quality at the SF position. Now all we need is to sign Kirilenko, and we can start 5 SF's....
 
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