Trading DOWN in the draft....

[Smills91]

Since some want to lose assets and move up, maybe it's better to trade down and gain assets.


Interesting options....just ideas on what I think it would take for these teams to move up or acquire our pick....

Pistons - #7 with Prince for #5 with Nocioni
Clippers - #8 With Gordon for #5 with Casspi
Hornets - #11 with Collison for #5
Memphis - #12 with Thabeet and/or #25 for #5
Rockets - #14 with Jeffries/Hill for #5 with Nocioni
Timberwolves - #16, #23 with Ryan Gomes for #5 with Nocioni
Chicago - #17 with Noah for #5 with Hawes
Spurs - #20 with Hill and R. Jefferson for #5 with Garcia and Nocioni
Blazers - #22 with Pryzbilla, Bayless, Rudy for #5, Nocioni and Garcia
Thunder - #21, #26 with James Harden for #5 with Garcia
Hawks - Josh Smith for Garcia, Nocioni and #5

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Since some want to lose assets and move up, maybe it's better to trade down and gain assets.


Interesting options....just ideas on what I think it would take for these teams to move up or acquire our pick....

Pistons - #7 with Prince for #5 with Nocioni
Clippers - #8 With Gordon for #5 with Casspi
Hornets - #11 with Collison for #5
Memphis - #12 with Thabeet and/or #25 for #5
Rockets - #14 with Jeffries/Hill for #5 with Nocioni
Timberwolves - #16, #23 with Ryan Gomes for #5 with Nocioni
Chicago - #17 with Noah for #5 with Hawes
Spurs - #20 with Hill and R. Jefferson for #5 with Garcia and Nocioni
Blazers - #22 with Pryzbilla, Bayless, Rudy for #5, Nocioni and Garcia
Thunder - #21, #26 with James Harden for #5 with Garcia
Hawks - Josh Smith for Garcia, Nocioni and #5

buzz around the combine was that the spurs was talking to favors. are they trying to move up that high to pick favors?

 

[sc3252]

buzz around the combine was that the spurs was talking to favors. are they trying to move up that high to pick favors?

How would they? Do they have any trade bait that could possibly move them that high?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

How would they? Do they have any trade bait that could possibly move them that high?

the spurs have a few picks stashed overseas developing right now. tiago splitter is one of em. i read somewhere that they are old but don't need to blow it up to keep contending. who knows if they could pull it off. maybe offer the draft rights to this years pick + the rights to the overseas pick, george hill + a future pick for favors? someone may bite... if favors fell to kahn and he was offered that package, he may take it.

 

[funkykingston]

Since some want to lose assets and move up, maybe it's better to trade down and gain assets.

Interesting options....just ideas on what I think it would take for these teams to move up or acquire our pick....

If you don't like who's on the board at #5 then I'd certainly consider it. But of course adding good but not great players (especially with a poor defensive frontcourt) isn't going to get this team out of the lottery any time soon. In order to be a contender the Kings need a running mate for Tyreke who has all-star potential and I don't see one currently on the team.

Sacramento is never going to attract a marquee free agent so barring a Webber like trade the team will be built in the draft and supplemented by free agency. That being the case, if Petrie sees a star in the making at number 5 (even if its Wes Johnson who plays the same position/role as Greene, Casspi, Nocioni and Garcia) then you take him and trade other players to fill things out.

But again, if there's not a player that Geoff sees star potential in at #6 then trading down makes a lot of sense.

Memphis - #12 with Thabeet and/or #25 for #5

Chicago - #17 with Noah for #5 with Hawes

Hawks - Josh Smith for Garcia, Nocioni and #5

These are the only deals that I would be interested in but I don't see the other team being willing.

 

[hammystyle]

the spurs have a few picks stashed overseas developing right now. tiago splitter is one of em. i read somewhere that they are old but don't need to blow it up to keep contending. who knows if they could pull it off. maybe offer the draft rights to this years pick + the rights to the overseas pick, george hill + a future pick for favors? someone may bite... if favors fell to kahn and he was offered that package, he may take it.

If the the Wolves traded Favors for another PG in George HIll that would be hilarious.

 

[Kingster]

buzz around the combine was that the spurs was talking to favors. are they trying to move up that high to pick favors?

They's have to use some major ammo, and I just don't see it unless Parker would be one the bullets. That would seem highly unlikely.

 

[bajaden]

They's have to use some major ammo, and I just don't see it unless Parker would be one the bullets. That would seem highly unlikely.

There have been rumors in Spur's land that Parker might be on the block. But I seriously doubt it would be for a draft pick. Parkers not that old.

 

[Smills91]

If you don't like who's on the board at #5 then I'd certainly consider it. But of course adding good but not great players (especially with a poor defensive frontcourt) isn't going to get this team out of the lottery any time soon. In order to be a contender the Kings need a running mate for Tyreke who has all-star potential and I don't see one currently on the team.

Sacramento is never going to attract a marquee free agent so barring a Webber like trade the team will be built in the draft and supplemented by free agency. That being the case, if Petrie sees a star in the making at number 5 (even if its Wes Johnson who plays the same position/role as Greene, Casspi, Nocioni and Garcia) then you take him and trade other players to fill things out.

But again, if there's not a player that Geoff sees star potential in at #6 then trading down makes a lot of sense.



These are the only deals that I would be interested in but I don't see the other team being willing.

Bingo, hence the reason to stockpile young, cheap, future-oriented assets. When that type of player becomes available, then you can offer the best package to land that player.

So if that marquee type player isn't there at #5, why not move down and acquire these assets.

I do think this is a 5 player draft though at the top two tiers. So we could perhaps get some nice value from the pick while getting a good pick/player that fills a big need for us.

 

[Smills91]

There have been rumors in Spur's land that Parker might be on the block. But I seriously doubt it would be for a draft pick. Parkers not that old.

The spurs would have to find a 3rd team to take on Parker to give them assets to entice the Nets/Sixers/Wizards.

However, if they offered RJ/Blair/Hill/#20 for Brand/#2, I could see the Sixers biting on something like that.

 

[bajaden]

The spurs would have to find a 3rd team to take on Parker to give them assets to entice the Nets/Sixers/Wizards.

However, if they offered RJ/Blair/Hill/#20 for Brand/#2, I could see the Sixers biting on something like that.

According to everything I've read in the local papers in San Antonio, they consider both Blair and Hill almost untouchable. With Duncan getting toward the end of his career, they're not about to let go of Blair. And they see Hill as their point guard of the future, thus making Parker more expendable. RJ is a different situation altogether. He was obviously a disappointment this season. He was their second choice though, as they originally tried to aquire Carter.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I like the Clippers idea. Gordon would be a great fit with Tyreke. Interior defense is still shaky, but not a bad 10-man rotation:

Evans/Udrih
Gordon/Garcia
Greene/Nocioni
Landry/#8 (Udoh? Monroe?)
Thompson/Hawes

Maybe see if you can do something along the lines of trading Hawes for Okafor, and you're in a good spot.

 

[kidult]

Maybe see if you can do something along the lines of trading Hawes for Okafor, and you're in a good spot.

Hawes for Okafor? doesn't sound that great of a deal but at least okafor play defense.

 

[apollo916]

My pick Hassan should be available, ide trade down for pick and a shooter to get Hassan

 

[Widowmaker2k]

My pick Hassan should be available, ide trade down for pick and a shooter to get Hassan

I found this quote about Whiteside from a recent draft express article (on the pre-draft measurements) interesting.

The freakiest measurements of all belong to Hassan Whiteside. The soon-to-be 21-year-old freshman bafflingly elected to arrive for measurements in flip-flops (a true story), which only gave him an additional inch in shoes (6-10 ½ without shoes, 6-11 ½ with)—as opposed to Cole Aldrich who gained 2 ¼ inches. With that said, he possesses one of the longest wingspans in NBA pre-draft camp history at 7-7.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Analyzing-the-NBA-Combine-Measurements-3477/

He's certainly got the build of a real center (same height as Spencer, much better length). I wouldn't be at all upset if we traded down to get him. For those of you who watch a lot of college ball, how's his athleticism rate in an eyeball test?

Edit: Length wise, he's even ahead of Thabeet. Thabeet is 7'3", of course, but has the same standing reach as Whiteside (9'5"), and a smaller wingspan.

 

[cfechter]

buzz around the combine was that the spurs was talking to favors. are they trying to move up that high to pick favors?

I just laugh whenever I see rumors like this floated around. There is nothing the spurs could give up that would entice anyone in the top 4 to give up a top 5 pick. You see such non-sense as "Tony Parker and their first for the #2 pick in the draft", which, translated is, "Aging overpaid player and a pick not likely to ever make an impact for an almost sure franchise player". First off, what GM in their right mind would actually do this and secondly, when was the last time a team moved up from the twenties into the top 3 picks?

People who do analysis like this just don't think through the whole situation enough.

 

[apollo916]

With Wall, Turner and Favors gone Ide draft Hassan. Bench Hawes and go on with trades. I mean this kid has a decent shot, he will block shots regardless of conference or league. Coming in he'd average maybe 8-11 & 3 on a solid season. But put 3 years of Dwight Howard training on him ;]

 

[Sparky6string]

I'd actually like to try Hawes out as a finesse PF if he's playing next to a defensive specialist at 5.

 

[sc3252]

With Wall, Turner and Favors gone Ide draft Hassan. Bench Hawes and go on with trades. I mean this kid has a decent shot, he will block shots regardless of conference or league. Coming in he'd average maybe 8-11 & 3 on a solid season. But put 3 years of Dwight Howard training on him ;]

He might give you that, but he might also stop trying when he does get his money. He did show up in flip flops after all, he doesn't take this seriously and I doubt he will after getting paid. Someone intervied him from Draftexpress and they came away that he was arrogant. There is a very small clip of him on that site if you want to see it, apparently they didn't have the whole interview, so we won't see what they are talking about.

I would rather draft someone who is a hard worker, so if we don't get what we want at #5 trade down and pick up Patterson. At least he doesn't sound like an idiot.

 

[Prince_XY]

I'd actually like to try Hawes out as a finesse PF if he's playing next to a defensive specialist at 5.

Me too.

I would be very happy if we somehow get Cousins ( or even Oden if we could get him ). I'll make Cousins and Thompson my starting 5 and 4, Hawes my back-up at 5 and occasionally as a back-up at 4 ( if we're playing the Lakers ). I will use Landry the same way Houston used him.

 

[Kingster]

There have been rumors in Spur's land that Parker might be on the block. But I seriously doubt it would be for a draft pick. Parkers not that old.

I just heard that Pop thinks Hill is going to start next year. That's a shocker to me. I guess what I thought was very unlikely isn't so unlikely. If that's the case, then maybe Pop wants to begin the retool process now and trade Parker.

 

[Smills91]

I like the Clippers idea. Gordon would be a great fit with Tyreke. Interior defense is still shaky, but not a bad 10-man rotation:

Evans/Udrih
Gordon/Garcia
Greene/Nocioni
Landry/#8 (Udoh? Monroe?)
Thompson/Hawes

Maybe see if you can do something along the lines of trading Hawes for Okafor, and you're in a good spot.

If you could guarantee me that Monroe would be there at #8 then I absolutely do this deal if Cousins is off the board. It's such a no-brainer. Then again, if Cousins is off the board, why would a team trade up to #5? Wes Johnson is absolutely in the conversation with Turner, Cousins, Favors but would you take Johnson over Gordon/Monroe?

 

[Smills91]

I just laugh whenever I see rumors like this floated around. There is nothing the spurs could give up that would entice anyone in the top 4 to give up a top 5 pick. You see such non-sense as "Tony Parker and their first for the #2 pick in the draft", which, translated is, "Aging overpaid player and a pick not likely to ever make an impact for an almost sure franchise player". First off, what GM in their right mind would actually do this and secondly, when was the last time a team moved up from the twenties into the top 3 picks?

People who do analysis like this just don't think through the whole situation enough.

Taking on Brand for RJ's expiring is absolutely a good start. The #20 pick and a prospect or two just might get it done.

 

[Telemachus]

I just laugh whenever I see rumors like this floated around. There is nothing the spurs could give up that would entice anyone in the top 4 to give up a top 5 pick. You see such non-sense as "Tony Parker and their first for the #2 pick in the draft", which, translated is, "Aging overpaid player and a pick not likely to ever make an impact for an almost sure franchise player". First off, what GM in their right mind would actually do this and secondly, when was the last time a team moved up from the twenties into the top 3 picks?

While I don't think you could get the #2 pick for Parker, calling him old is a reach IMO. He is only 28, which means he is in his prime.

 

[Anthony1]

Cousins is starting to scare me a little bit. I think I'd still take him if he's there, but I'm not sure Petrie is going to do that. I'd really like to trade down with somebody, because I think Petrie would be able to possibly plug two starters out of this draft.

A deal with the Grizzlies would make alot of sense. They could give us their 12th and 25th picks. At 12, we could end up with a guy like Cole Aldrich, which is a guy we might have selected at 5th anyways. Or, a guy like Ekpe Udoh or Hassan Whiteside or Ed Davis, etc, etc.

Basically, what I'm saying is.. that we could end up with a player at 12, that could end up having a very similar career to a guy drafted between 5 and 8. So, dropping to 12 isn't too horrible. Especially with Petrie's ability to choose talent. I'm sure he'd find a guy at 12 that would really work for us. Then, we also have the 25th pick, and again, I think Petrie could pluck a guy that could be a real difference maker. Then we get another guy with the 33rd pick. We could easily end up drafting 3 guys, one of which would likely crack the starting lineup, and two more that could be in a 9 player rotation.

For example, imagine if we end up with these 3 players:


12 overall - Hassan Whiteside - C/PF
25 overall - Eric Bledsoe - PG/SG
33 overall - Gani Lawal - PF/C


if we had a haul of those 3 players, I would be over the moon! Bledsoe could end up starting at the point, moving Reke to SG, and Lawal and Whiteside would both get major minutes in the frontcourt. I honestly think that Bledsoe and Lawal would have the most impact in their rookie years, and Whiteside might take about 3 years to really develop, but I think he would be worth the wait. He would still provide a defensive shotblocking presence that we so desperately need, while we wait for the rest of his game (and more importantly, his body), to mature.