Trade Thornton & Thompson?

[mac]

OKC 0-2 with Ibaka as there #2 player against an 8th seed

Dude has not made anything contested or that he created for himself he was 7/7 on wide open dunks and tip in's (at least he learnt how to make those fromt he previous game) tho which is really not impressive, didn't really impact the games with his D ethier, Houston was slicing to the rim at will. Dude can't even score over Harden in the post and yet they decided to keep him over Harden..................

Dude, take your little rants to the people who have said Ibaka is an all-star, offensive player. As far as I can see there are none in this thread. Your cheap shot arguments have added nothing whatsoever to any discussion that was going on here about Ibaka's defense, and are just showing your little personal vendetta against Ibaka that frankly no one gives a cr*p about. How has Tyson Chandler been doing for the Knicks against Boston thus far? Doesn't take away what he brings to their team on the defensive end or at very least what he brought over the regular season (for which the award is given btw).

Anyway I'm done with you. This is a thread about trading Thornton and Thompson, not about what OKC should or should not have done. Good day, sir.

 

[KingMilz]

How has Tyson Chandler been doing for the Knicks against Boston thus far? Doesn't take away what he brings to their team on the defensive end or at very least what he brought over the regular season (for which the award is given btw).

Anyway I'm done with you. This is a thread about trading Thornton and Thompson, not about what OKC should or should not have done. Good day, sir.

Chandlers a good man to man defender tho and elite team defender, Ibaka is nethier and has very little impact on if OKC wins or losses, well no he has a massive impact on losses when they actually need him to do something at both ends that I will give him credit for.

 

[Telemachus]

OKC 0-2 with Ibaka as there #2 player against an 8th seed

Dude has not made anything contested or that he created for himself he was 7/7 on wide open dunks and tip in's (at least he learnt how to make those fromt he previous game) tho which is really not impressive, didn't really impact the games with his D ethier, Houston was slicing to the rim at will. Dude can't even score over Harden in the post and yet they decided to keep him over Harden..................

First of all, OKC is 1-2 without Westbrook. As for Ibaka, his numbers in this series is right on par for what he has done all season. The problem with OKC is that they are getting nothing from Perkins in games 4 & 5 (or the first 3 for that matter). They also got nothing out of Thabo in game 4. In game 5, they got a grand total of 19 pts from their bench. It is hard to win with no production off the bench, especially if 1 or 2 of your starters aren't giving you anything. Now you may not like Ibaka or think he is overrated, but he hasn't been the problem.

 

[jalfa]

Ibaka is not the one missing in action in that series. That label, alas, falls on somebody a little closer to home.

to think that the actual main reason for Harden not being extended is Perkins and his extension and that the main player coming back in the trade is our own little K-Mart...must make Presti real happy.

 

[mac]

Chandlers a good man to man defender tho and elite team defender, Ibaka is nethier and has very little impact on if OKC wins or losses, well no he has a massive impact on losses when they actually need him to do something at both ends that I will give him credit for.

Here's the problem andre. You see the part of your statement that I have highlighted? That is entirely your opinion that you cannot back up. And the fact that you yourself have said many think Ibaka is a DPOY candidate goes to show that your opinion isn't necessarily correct without any facts to back it up. Either you and like-minded people are wrong, or the generally larger group of people who you are complaining about is wrong. Since you were the first one to say that Ibaka is overrated defensively, I think the onus to prove that your opinion is correct falls on you. All your talk about Ibaka's missed tip and about his post up game are irrelevant, because the argument is solely about defense. All you've done is make up little statements as if they are the sole truth. I can easily say that Tyson Chandler is neither a good man to man defender nor an elite team defender, and that he has very little impact on if the Knicks win or lose. What do I have to back that up? Absolutely nothing, but it's just as good as any of your arguments have been.

I honestly have no idea why I've spent two days trying to help you understand this. I think all you've proven is that you lack comprehension skills. That, or you don't have anything to back up your purely speculative opinion.

For the record, Kevin Durant is a bottom 10 player in the league and OKC is 1-2 with him being thrust into the #1 role instead of #2 where he usually is, behind Westbrook. Westbrook's higher FGA clearly shows that Durant is the #2 option on the Thunder. All Durant is good at is scoring, but he doesn't help the team to win.

The above paragraph has about the same quality, if not slightly better than that of the arguments you have presented.

 

[KingMilz]

First of all, OKC is 1-2 without Westbrook. As for Ibaka, his numbers in this series is right on par for what he has done all season. The problem with OKC is that they are getting nothing from Perkins in games 4 & 5 (or the first 3 for that matter). They also got nothing out of Thabo in game 4. In game 5, they got a grand total of 19 pts from their bench. It is hard to win with no production off the bench, especially if 1 or 2 of your starters aren't giving you anything. Now you may not like Ibaka or think he is overrated, but he hasn't been the problem.

0-2 Westbrook played out game 3 didn't he?

 

[upinsmoke]

Your doing to much andremiller go to realgm or something with that.

 

[The_Jamal]

OKC 0-2 with Ibaka as there #2 player against an 8th seed

Dude has not made anything contested or that he created for himself he was 7/7 on wide open dunks and tip in's (at least he learnt how to make those fromt he previous game) tho which is really not impressive, didn't really impact the games with his D ethier, Houston was slicing to the rim at will. Dude can't even score over Harden in the post and yet they decided to keep him over Harden..................

I find your Ibaka bashing extremely weird. The guy is not a #2 option offensively and probably never will be. So why bash him for being forced into a role he can't do?

 

[pshn80]

Probably a reasonable plan but I don't want to lose JT and I'm fine with moving Thornton. Again, the important thing to me is who we add not who we get rid of.

 

[The_Jamal]

Chandlers a good man to man defender tho and elite team defender, Ibaka is nethier and has very little impact on if OKC wins or losses, well no he has a massive impact on losses when they actually need him to do something at both ends that I will give him credit for.

Again, wth? Ibaka is one of the most impactful players on the defensive end in the whole league and there's plenty of statistics plus using your eyeballs to back up that statement.

 

[rainmaker]

Kev crumbling under the pressure and looking like a minimum salary player is a much bigger reason for OKC struggling than anything Ibaka is doing, along with no Westbrook of course. Other aspect about Westbrook going down as they allude to on TNT is that roles have changed, and that makes it pretty tough on players and you'd think after a full season of seeing that up close here with Smart that would be quite obvious. Roles are different and rotations/min distribution are different.

And why would anyone refer to Ibaka as a number 2 option? That's completely missing the point of his impact and role. Aldrich was never a top option for us, ever, but had considerable impact at times. Ibaka does that on a larger scale. He impacts the game in areas the box score doesn't show. You have to know the game to see that though. Expecting him to step up as a number 2 option and help fill in for Westbrook tells me you have no understanding of his role or what he does. OKC not having enough offense to cover for WB going down has nada to do with Ibaka.

 

[Telemachus]

0-2 Westbrook played out game 3 didn't he?

Westbrook finished out game 2 with the injury. He hasn't played in the last 3 games.

 

[KingMilz]

I find your Ibaka bashing extremely weird. The guy is not a #2 option offensively and probably never will be. So why bash him for being forced into a role he can't do?

I clearly stated there #2 PLAYER not there #2 scoring option, with Ibaka being there number #2 player I would expect him to step up and do something against a really weak frontline in particular when Asik is not on him.

 

[The_Jamal]

I clearly stated there #2 PLAYER not there #2 scoring option, with Ibaka being there number #2 player I would expect him to step up and do something against a really weak frontline in particular when Asik is not on him.

So you expect him to be a #2 option on offense then? lol. Ibaka isn't that type of player. It's like asking Mutombo to randomly become a 18 PPG player. It's just not who he is as a player. Ibaka is an elite defensive post player and is limited to jumpers and put-backs on offense. There's 29 other teams who would gladly take what he brings though.

 

[mac]

So you expect him to be a #2 option on offense then? lol. Ibaka isn't that type of player. It's like asking Mutombo to randomly become a 18 PPG player. It's just not who he is as a player. Ibaka is an elite defensive post player and is limited to jumpers and put-backs on offense. There's 29 other teams who would gladly take what he brings though.

Jamal, we've disagreed many times, but I would like to now hand over custody of this fruitless discussion with andremiller to you! All the best!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I clearly stated there #2 PLAYER not there #2 scoring option, with Ibaka being there number #2 player I would expect him to step up and do something against a really weak frontline in particular when Asik is not on him.

So you expect him to be a #2 option on offense then? lol. Ibaka isn't that type of player. It's like asking Mutombo to randomly become a 18 PPG player. It's just not who he is as a player. Ibaka is an elite defensive post player and is limited to jumpers and put-backs on offense. There's 29 other teams who would gladly take what he brings though.

While I don't necessarily agree with andremiller07's stance on Ibaka, I'm not getting what's so hard to understand about the above quoted post. Where are you getting "#2 option on offense" out of that? As I read it, #2 player just means that, in Westbrook's absence, Ibaka is the second-most important player on the Thunder, behind Kevin Durant. And he is. And, without Westbrook, he needs to do more for the Thunder to win in the playoffs than what he's been doing. Does that mean that he has to score more? Maybe, maybe not. Does that mean that he has to make Asik a non-factor on the glass, and eliminate Houston's paint points? That seems more likely. But, whatever it is he needs to do, he hasn't been doing nearly enough of it.

Ibaka's role in the Thunder's hierarchy is not equivalent to, say, Kevin Martin. He can't just block the occasional shot, and hit the occasional baseline jumper, and call it a good game. He has to make an impact for the Thunder to win. He is not making an impact.

 

[Darth Divac]

Would JT and our 1st round pick this year be enough to get Jeff Green? Besides KG, Boston is short on big men, and JT is a valuable one. They also get a top-6 pick. Meanwhile, we get Green. Green's a good defender, good shooter, good finisher (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94EqxSBDHdI), not ball dominant, athletic.....Pretty much everything we need from our SF. Also, he can play PF in a pinch.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Who is "Seim Citrus?"

 

[Bricklayer]

Would JT and our 1st round pick this year be enough to get Jeff Green?

Would what and what be enough to get WHO??

 

[Darth Divac]

Who is "Seim Citrus?"

I apologize for not using the "£" character in you username. For some reason, I couldn't find it on my keyboard.

"Seim Citrus" is you, by the way. I won't appreviate next time.

 

[Darth Divac]

Would what and what be enough to get WHO??

Would the Boston Celtics of the National Basketball Association accept a trade of Jason Thompson (National Basketball Association, PF/C, 6'11, 250 pounds, Sacramento Kings) and 2013 National Basketball Association draft Lottery Pick number six in exchange for Jeff Green (National Basketball Association, PF/SF, 6'9, 235 pounds, Boston Celtics)?

 

[jalfa]

Would what and what be enough to get WHO??

in March and April, Green put up roughly 17/5/3 on 49% shooting (45% from three) and he's a pretty good defender. the sample size is too small and the circumstances are suspect, but if he were that player that's exactly who we'd be looking for. purely academic anyway, since Boston isn't letting go off him and there's overwhelming evidence that he's, in fact, not as good, but it's closer than one might think at first glance.

edit: also look at his starter/reserve splits, the difference is fairly insane.

 

[Bricklayer]

in March and April, Green put up roughly 17/5/3 on 49% shooting (45% from three) and he's a pretty good defender. the sample size is too small and the circumstances are suspect, but if he were that player that's exactly who we'd be looking for. purely academic anyway, since Boston isn't letting go off him and there's overwhelming evidence that he's, in fact, not as good, but it's closer than one might think at first glance.

edit: also look at his starter/reserve splits, the difference is fairly insane.

You could go after him as a sub-ideal reserve plan, what no GM in the country is going to do though is use a high lottery pick to get him. Remember this happened with Big Baby a couple of years ago too.

 

[jalfa]

You could go after him as a sub-ideal reserve plan, what no GM in the country is going to do though is use a high lottery pick to get him. Remember this happened with Big Baby a couple of years ago too.

the principle of players having outlier months in the garbagetime of the season is well known, Cisco also had one of those in 08 for instance (Davis has been mostly been consistent per minute, though). Green's case is a bit different, because he was expected to be really good coming into the NBA, he's been doing it on a playoff team, and some of those games were very high-profile (his career game vs. LeBron for instance). not enough to do anything this risky yet, but he's got a better case than most.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Would JT and our 1st round pick this year be enough to get Jeff Green? Besides KG, Boston is short on big men, and JT is a valuable one. They also get a top-6 pick. Meanwhile, we get Green. Green's a good defender, good shooter, good finisher (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94EqxSBDHdI), not ball dominant, athletic.....Pretty much everything we need from our SF. Also, he can play PF in a pinch.

thats too much to give up for a tweener. OKC did the right thing and dumped him for a legit big man.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

"Seim Citrus" is you, by the way...

Uhm... I'm pretty sure it's not... There's no "e" in any part of either my real name, or my online identity.

EDIT - Okay, I guess there's a "e" in "Mister."