Trade ideas

#61
The most coveted assets on the Kings are their first round picks. Monte gave up flexibility by locking up the first round pick till it conveys. Till 2024, we can't realistically get into any deal that nets us an All-Star caliber player. When a top player becomes available, the team is typically resetting and would be asking for FRPs not mediocre players in return. The workaround of picking for the other team is possible around draft day but is out of question during midseason.
Agree. But if the Kings could get an All-Star with a 2025 frp; Atlanta would probably be OK with locking in a pick for 2023. If the Kings were adding an All Star - I think they’d be ok rolling the dice on not being a lotto team again.
 
#62
Agree. But if the Kings could get an All-Star with a 2025 frp; Atlanta would probably be OK with locking in a pick for 2023. If the Kings were adding an All Star - I think they’d be ok rolling the dice on not being a lotto team again.
But would Atlanta be willing to help us like that when doing so would likely lower the value of the pick they're getting from us?
 
#63
Agree. But if the Kings could get an All-Star with a 2025 frp; Atlanta would probably be OK with locking in a pick for 2023. If the Kings were adding an All Star - I think they’d be ok rolling the dice on not being a lotto team again.
Monte didn't trade next years pick because it supposed to be a good draft class.
 

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#64
Could jalen brown be had for Barnes, Holmes, Davis and future first?

fox/mitchell/delly
Brown/monk/Ellis
Huerter/moneke/ellis
Murray/lyles/metu/okpala
Sabonis/Len/queta/metu
 
#71
Is Joe Harris gettable? He's coming off an injury but having him and Huerter/Murray at the SG/SF/PF would be lethal shooting wise maybe trade Barnes in a three way deal or something.
 
#72
I honestly dont see why people are trying to move barnes out for one trick ponies like Harris and Duncan Robinson when we already have a better version of those players on the team in huerter. Barnes is a high level shooter (40%+ from 3) and can get his own shot, handle the ball, play defense and rebound as well as pass. I get he is a bit expensive, but unless you are returninga high level FRP or moving him as part of a package for a legit all star level talent (like a Jalen Brown), you will massively downgrade the team.
 
#73
I honestly dont see why people are trying to move barnes out for one trick ponies like Harris and Duncan Robinson when we already have a better version of those players on the team in huerter. Barnes is a high level shooter (40%+ from 3) and can get his own shot, handle the ball, play defense and rebound as well as pass. I get he is a bit expensive, but unless you are returninga high level FRP or moving him as part of a package for a legit all star level talent (like a Jalen Brown), you will massively downgrade the team.
Because that is what people like to do...There's your answer. :p:p:p
 
#74
I honestly dont see why people are trying to move barnes out for one trick ponies like Harris and Duncan Robinson when we already have a better version of those players on the team in huerter. Barnes is a high level shooter (40%+ from 3) and can get his own shot, handle the ball, play defense and rebound as well as pass. I get he is a bit expensive, but unless you are returninga high level FRP or moving him as part of a package for a legit all star level talent (like a Jalen Brown), you will massively downgrade the team.
Barnes is a UFA at the end of next season. The primary reason to trade him is to avoid losing an asset for nothing if he chooses to sign elsewhere and/or the Kings don't want to sign him at the amount he'll command on the open market.
 

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#75
Barnes is a UFA at the end of next season. The primary reason to trade him is to avoid losing an asset for nothing if he chooses to sign elsewhere and/or the Kings don't want to sign him at the amount he'll command on the open market.
I think this may be a bit shortsighted, though. If we were tanking, sure. It makes sense. But we're angling for the playoffs, and Barnes is presumably an important piece to that puzzle. Actually *getting* to the playoffs (particularly with a new coaching staff on board, Sabonis, Keegan, etc.) should go a long way towards shifting the narrative about Sacramento, and give us the ability to actually land a *good* free agent to replace Barnes if he's tired of being here. But if you toss Barnes, and you miss the playoffs because you did, then...still on the treadmill.

So, yeah, I say we shouldn't worry about "losing an asset for nothing" in this situation. Use our assets to the fullest to get off the treadmill. That's where we're at now (or where we should be at, at any rate).
 
#76
I think this may be a bit shortsighted, though. If we were tanking, sure. It makes sense. But we're angling for the playoffs, and Barnes is presumably an important piece to that puzzle. Actually *getting* to the playoffs (particularly with a new coaching staff on board, Sabonis, Keegan, etc.) should go a long way towards shifting the narrative about Sacramento, and give us the ability to actually land a *good* free agent to replace Barnes if he's tired of being here. But if you toss Barnes, and you miss the playoffs because you did, then...still on the treadmill.

So, yeah, I say we shouldn't worry about "losing an asset for nothing" in this situation. Use our assets to the fullest to get off the treadmill. That's where we're at now (or where we should be at, at any rate).
I think if the scuttlebutt was that Barnes would be happy to stay in Sacramento then it's fine to take this approach. But rumors have swirled that he wants to sign elsewhere after this season. Right now he's arguably the 3rd best player on the team. Making the play in tournament next year but failing to do so the season after because he walks is also treadmilling IMO.

I don't want to see Barnes traded for pennies on the dollar and I think we've started to buck the Kings fan tradition of overvaluing Kings players with HB because he actually seems undervalued by fans right now. He is a useful player to a lot of teams looking to make the playoffs, including the Kings.

Which is why I think unless the team is playing poorly heading into the trade deadline the most likely scenario is that he stays on the roster and walks for nothing next offseason. Time will tell if that's good asset management.
 
#77
Barnes could potentially be our 5th best player by years end no? I’d like to see what Barnes looks like as a 4th or 5th option on a team. The challenge is he will likely be paid as a 3rd option so we will see what happens. I’d probably take the risk of holding on to him and see what he commands in FA.
 
#78
Barnes is a UFA at the end of next season. The primary reason to trade him is to avoid losing an asset for nothing if he chooses to sign elsewhere and/or the Kings don't want to sign him at the amount he'll command on the open market.
The issue for me is the Kings aren't really in a position to min-max one an asset like Barnes because of how important he is to this team right now. If the Kings make the playoffs, a big reason is going to be Barnes continuing his stellar play from the last 2 seasons.

I think there's value in having him play out this season, help us make a playoff push and then have his salary off the books for the last summer we'll have actual cap room to try and make some sort of splash play in the FA (or RFA) market while Sabonis is still cheap. Guys like PJ Washington (RFA), Grant Williams (RFA), Brandon Clarke (RFA), Cam Johnson (RFA), Andrew Wiggins (UFA) are key guys I'd look to spend that money on and get another core asset locked up with the rest of the core.

I look at what Brogdon went for (although he has a ton of money left so a Barnes rental may be more attractive to teams) as sort of a basis as what I'd expect Barnes to get. A FRP (maybe 2) and a younger player.
 
#79
The issue for me is the Kings aren't really in a position to min-max one an asset like Barnes because of how important he is to this team right now. If the Kings make the playoffs, a big reason is going to be Barnes continuing his stellar play from the last 2 seasons.

I think there's value in having him play out this season, help us make a playoff push and then have his salary off the books for the last summer we'll have actual cap room to try and make some sort of splash play in the FA (or RFA) market while Sabonis is still cheap. Guys like PJ Washington (RFA), Grant Williams (RFA), Brandon Clarke (RFA), Cam Johnson (RFA), Andrew Wiggins (UFA) are key guys I'd look to spend that money on and get another core asset locked up with the rest of the core.

I look at what Brogdon went for (although he has a ton of money left so a Barnes rental may be more attractive to teams) as sort of a basis as what I'd expect Barnes to get. A FRP (maybe 2) and a younger player.
Barnes is not worth anything close to Brogdan even if fully healthy, Barnes does not move the needle of any team he literally made the Kings worse the season they traded for him the team completely bombed and they have never improved since. You would have to be an idiot to give up a 1st if you are a GM for Barnes.