Trade Deadline Thread
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https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
This is a super great resource and kept up to date pretty regularly. I don't know about the other resources you listed, but RealGM has been very reliable on future draft picks.
This is a super great resource and kept up to date pretty regularly. I don't know about the other resources you listed, but RealGM has been very reliable on future draft picks.
oops. My bad again didn’t notice they traded 2022 and 2024 away already so even though they own their own 2023 pick they can not trade it
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Why is it a bad move fox for Sabonis?
Sabonis is a 20/12/5 guy gives us scoring with elite rebounding and passing at the center spot. Haliburton is an elite shooter we can run pick and rolls with both guys as well as putting the ball in saboinis hands at the top of the key with Hali doing off ball stuff. He’s not a good defender but he could be passable finding 3D guys is the easy part
https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/report-wizards-interested-in-domantas-sabonis
Not only can Sabonis hit cutters, he has a way of prying guys open with (off-ball) screens and handoffs. He's lead the NBA in screen assists in 2 of the last 3 seasons. His off-ball partnership with Justin Holiday has been the NBA's best this year; the Pacers are generating over 1.4 points per possession on direct hookups between the two, per Second Spectrum
Sabonis is a 20/12/5 guy gives us scoring with elite rebounding and passing at the center spot. Haliburton is an elite shooter we can run pick and rolls with both guys as well as putting the ball in saboinis hands at the top of the key with Hali doing off ball stuff. He’s not a good defender but he could be passable finding 3D guys is the easy part
https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/report-wizards-interested-in-domantas-sabonis
Not only can Sabonis hit cutters, he has a way of prying guys open with (off-ball) screens and handoffs. He's lead the NBA in screen assists in 2 of the last 3 seasons. His off-ball partnership with Justin Holiday has been the NBA's best this year; the Pacers are generating over 1.4 points per possession on direct hookups between the two, per Second Spectrum
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The present and the future:
“But all is not bleak in Sacramento. The most sustainable way to spark an enduring rebuild is to draft well in consecutive years. McNair and the Kings have done that. Tyrese Haliburton is having an excellent second season, and Davion Mitchell is gaining momentum in his fourth NBA month. They selected those two building blocks 12th and ninth overall, respectively…
Haliburton is a sharp player. He knows tendencies. He mentioned Harden’s love for the “corner skip,” which led to that interception clipped above. But Haliburton is thin and not lightning quick laterally. He doesn’t necessarily profile as an elite — or even average — on-ball defender against the league’s best scorers, but he does work well as a free safety within the team concept…
That’s where his emerging fit with Mitchell makes sense. Mitchell is a point-of-attack bulldog. The rest of his game needs to develop, but he can already be trusted with premier individual perimeter assignments on a nightly basis, which takes the pressure off Haliburton...
That reality only complicates the next week and the upcoming offseason for the Kings as they decide how to rearrange the roster with this crowded backcourt in mind. Fox has a max contract and is the presumed franchise player having a poor season. Haliburton and Mitchell are the emerging backcourt, on cheap rookie deals, who serve as the two best personnel decisions from the new front office.”
https://theathletic.com/3108913/202...t-two-draft-picks/?source=user_shared_article
“But all is not bleak in Sacramento. The most sustainable way to spark an enduring rebuild is to draft well in consecutive years. McNair and the Kings have done that. Tyrese Haliburton is having an excellent second season, and Davion Mitchell is gaining momentum in his fourth NBA month. They selected those two building blocks 12th and ninth overall, respectively…
Haliburton is a sharp player. He knows tendencies. He mentioned Harden’s love for the “corner skip,” which led to that interception clipped above. But Haliburton is thin and not lightning quick laterally. He doesn’t necessarily profile as an elite — or even average — on-ball defender against the league’s best scorers, but he does work well as a free safety within the team concept…
That’s where his emerging fit with Mitchell makes sense. Mitchell is a point-of-attack bulldog. The rest of his game needs to develop, but he can already be trusted with premier individual perimeter assignments on a nightly basis, which takes the pressure off Haliburton...
That reality only complicates the next week and the upcoming offseason for the Kings as they decide how to rearrange the roster with this crowded backcourt in mind. Fox has a max contract and is the presumed franchise player having a poor season. Haliburton and Mitchell are the emerging backcourt, on cheap rookie deals, who serve as the two best personnel decisions from the new front office.”
https://theathletic.com/3108913/202...t-two-draft-picks/?source=user_shared_article
The overall problem the Kings face is that all their tradeable assets are on bad contracts. Does a playoff bound team get better by trading for a $20 million role player in Barnes? Or a $23 million 3 point specialist who hasn't shown that he can be a positive in any other way on the court in Buddy? Holmes is on a good deal, but I just don't want to trade him because I want him to be a King.
Plus none of our players save for maybe Barnes have really had a good season, so that probably hurts what the Kings are being offered in return.
Plus none of our players save for maybe Barnes have really had a good season, so that probably hurts what the Kings are being offered in return.
I believe so. He's 25, provides elite low post scoring and connecting. Gives the Kings two connectors on offense. Ideally, Fox is the outgoing piece, leaving Mitchell with the Kings, who anchors the defense. Then Kings would need to find or develop two defensive role players--Trey Murphy on the perimeter and a shot blocking big (maybe Queta blooms). Regardless, I like that foundation more than the current log jam.
I agree. If the Kings can get a late first, Trey Murphy, Jared Butler, and/or some early seconds for Barnes, Holmes, and Buddy, I would consider that a win. If the UCLA duo is still projected to go in the seconds after the tourney, Juzang and Jacquez are going to be steals. Both have improved their games this year and would, at worse, have a career similar to Andres Nocioni.
This is why I've come around to the idea of trading Fox. Haliburton and Mitchell play well with one another, and Fox is likely the only asset other than Hali that could bring back an impact player in a trade.
I love De'Aaron and I've wanted to see the Kings win with him, but it hasn't happened and there aren't any signs that it will any time soon. Fox likely would also benefit from a change in scenery at this point. Haliburton can be the new foundational piece for a rebuild/retooling and while I don't see Mitchell as a cornerstone, he's a very solid fit.
Holmes is another great fit with Haliburton and I'd keep him unless a deal is made for Simmons or Sabonis where the roster needs change.
Hopefully you add an impact player in a deal for Fox and draft another with a lottery pick this year. Barnes, Bagley, Hield, Thompson, etc are all fodder for either the initial Fox trade or to bring back more complimentary players.
I know McNair said he wants to build around Fox and Haliburton but I don't see a path to winning with those two as your best players. I'm not even sure what type of players you surround those two with to create a successful roster. Fox needs shooters for a draw and kick game and Hali needs screeners and off ball movement to make plays for others. But both need the ball in their hands to be successful. Hali to playmake and Fox to score. If De'Aaron could play off ball that would at least open up some things, but he's been really poor in that regard and taking the ball out of his hands removes what he's really good at. They'll get better at playing off each other, but I don't see it ever being an ideal pairing.
But say Haliburton, Sabonis or Simmons, and Jabari Smith (or Banchero or Holmgren or maybe even Ivey)? That might be something.
I love De'Aaron and I've wanted to see the Kings win with him, but it hasn't happened and there aren't any signs that it will any time soon. Fox likely would also benefit from a change in scenery at this point. Haliburton can be the new foundational piece for a rebuild/retooling and while I don't see Mitchell as a cornerstone, he's a very solid fit.
Holmes is another great fit with Haliburton and I'd keep him unless a deal is made for Simmons or Sabonis where the roster needs change.
Hopefully you add an impact player in a deal for Fox and draft another with a lottery pick this year. Barnes, Bagley, Hield, Thompson, etc are all fodder for either the initial Fox trade or to bring back more complimentary players.
I know McNair said he wants to build around Fox and Haliburton but I don't see a path to winning with those two as your best players. I'm not even sure what type of players you surround those two with to create a successful roster. Fox needs shooters for a draw and kick game and Hali needs screeners and off ball movement to make plays for others. But both need the ball in their hands to be successful. Hali to playmake and Fox to score. If De'Aaron could play off ball that would at least open up some things, but he's been really poor in that regard and taking the ball out of his hands removes what he's really good at. They'll get better at playing off each other, but I don't see it ever being an ideal pairing.
But say Haliburton, Sabonis or Simmons, and Jabari Smith (or Banchero or Holmgren or maybe even Ivey)? That might be something.
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For me, if the Kings decide to build around Fox, the model is the 2001 76ers: https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2001.html
Where Fox plays the AI role, then you surround him with defenders and shooters. The problem is Fox isn't anywhere close to where AI was as a scorer and his FT shooting needs to be in the 90%s for the team to have a winning record. So it'll be interesting to see where McNair goes. If he trades for Turner and Grant, I think Haliburton will be on his way out by next off season. Grant plays that Raja Bell/Eric Snow/Aaron McKie role while Turner plays the Dikembe/Ratliff role. If he adds Sabonis or Simmons, Fox is gone. I obviously think the cornerstone should be Hali, so we'll see.
Where Fox plays the AI role, then you surround him with defenders and shooters. The problem is Fox isn't anywhere close to where AI was as a scorer and his FT shooting needs to be in the 90%s for the team to have a winning record. So it'll be interesting to see where McNair goes. If he trades for Turner and Grant, I think Haliburton will be on his way out by next off season. Grant plays that Raja Bell/Eric Snow/Aaron McKie role while Turner plays the Dikembe/Ratliff role. If he adds Sabonis or Simmons, Fox is gone. I obviously think the cornerstone should be Hali, so we'll see.
Just listened to the Sam Amick interview on CD's show. The one name that he volunteers is Julius Randle. I'm going to hate this, but bracing for it:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6umebb8
Or maybe this trade:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9hqneol
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6umebb8
Or maybe this trade:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9hqneol
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Yea, it's implied that the blueprint is to focus on defense and hope you squeeze enough offense from Fox to carry the team. The reason why you have to triple down on defense is, like AI and Westbrook, Fox just eats up so much of the offense with his style that it's really hard to fit other offensive stars next to him.