Trade Deadline Thread

[Capt. Factorial]

My Bad Capt. - but Both fanspo trade machine and Pro sports transactions show Jazz 2023 1st rd pick is available

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

This is a super great resource and kept up to date pretty regularly. I don't know about the other resources you listed, but RealGM has been very reliable on future draft picks.

 

[The_Jamal]

Why would we trade Barnes for Hart?

Hopefully we wouldn't without Herb or a FRP coming with him.

 

[Tetsujin]

All politics aside, as far as basketball potential/skill, what's your gage

Big guy with a history of lower body issues? Gonna be a no from me, dawg.

 

[beb0p]

It’s one thing if Monte used the $10m in cap space for some other move, but he just sat on it. Then the next year, he gives two seconds plus Cojo for Wright, but then trades Wright for Thompson. Essentially, within a 6 month span, burning two seconds for a bench big that rarely plays. That is bad management of a teams draft assets. Instead of stock piling picks, like Presti, he’s dumping them for end of bench role players.

I agree with you. While I think $10M for Snell and two 2nd round picks are probably a bit of an overpay, I too would rather use the 2nd rounders in the team's possession to take swings on two young players than to burn them on some aging bench vet.

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[pdxKingsFan]

Honestly we should have kept Wright. I have no idea why we brought TT onboard. Character/leadership they say.

 

[LPKingsFan]

The Athletic article today says Beal may be more open to a trade than he has been in the past. Philly says Beal is one of their preferred players. Does that trade go down?

I hope so. If only so we can stop hearing about potential trades involving them.

 

[NewArena]

I'm tired of having 5 different threads talking about this stuff, hopefully we can consolidate those thoughts in one place.

All things trade deadline related. It's been quiet so far.

Thank you for doing this! I was tired of the same. Should be entertaining (the thread) no matter what happens. I truly love our fandom

 

[NewArena]

That’s probably the first deal I’ve read and thought “Damn that’s nice!”

So of course it’s probably 100% fabricated nonsense.

That deal Monte had with Milwaukee before their side messed things up wasn’t bad either. I have faith he can get some pretty nice or decent deals this month and in the summer - if our ownership allows.

 

[NewArena]

Maybe it’s Fox not Mitchell in the above proposed Sabonis trade. Fox has been sitting out for some reason.

That’s when I’d honestly say no thank you. I like Sabonis but not that much

 

[NewArena]

My comments are there as well. I like Sabonis but there is no verified impact there either. They can't just keep lumping production on top of production while avoiding the modern necessities and expect greatness. For a Mitchell/pick package it might be worth the gamble though. For Fox? No way.

Same! Like, why is Indiana trying to move him in the first place? Gives me pause.

 

[funkykingston]

From the Real GM Pacers trade board. Second hand, but:

Wizop wrote: Chad Ford says in a subscribers only post that he's heard rumors of Sabonis and McConnell for Mitchell, Bagley, Thompson and a FRP top 5 protected. he also says Kings would be better off with Turner if his foot weren't an issue.

If true, Monte needs to pull the trigger yesterday.

I find that one a bit hard to believe, but yeah I'd jump on that. It only makes sense if the Pacers really are focused on an OKC style complete rebuild and value caproom and picks above all else.

Flip Holmes to the Hornets for PJ Washington and change and then look to deal Barnes and Hield for additional younger players and/or draft picks.

Sabonis
Washington
Harkless? Somebody else in a trade?
Haliburton
Fox

Not ideal, but an improvement.

 

[24 rick barry]

Honestly we should have kept Wright. I have no idea why we brought TT onboard. Character/leadership they say.

Acquired Tristan Thompson for Character/leadership?? Well that's rich. I think that was a swing and a miss.

 

[24 rick barry]

I find that one a bit hard to believe, but yeah I'd jump on that. It only makes sense if the Pacers really are focused on an OKC style complete rebuild and value caproom and picks above all else.

Flip Holmes to the Hornets for PJ Washington and change and then look to deal Barnes and Hield for additional younger players and/or draft picks.

Sabonis
Washington
Harkless? Somebody else in a trade?
Haliburton
Fox

Not ideal, but an improvement.

I don't like it funkykingston.

Definitely, I say keep your picks and tank this year, and next. Get top 5's in the next 2 drafts and combine with Hallie and Fox. There you have it. It's that simple.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Acquired Tristan Thompson for Character/leadership?? Well that's rich. I think that was a swing and a miss.

yeah it doesn't add up on paper. Maybe he's helped Bagley behind the scenes although all credit there was given to Doug. It is absolutely the one move Monte has done I hate hate hate and can't possibly understand.

 

[SacTownKid]

You want monte to wait till he knows for sure it's not going to work and waste years ? Or be proactive as good GM's are and get out while he can? If he is leaning towards it not working out then make the move now.

So far monte as KB02 pointed out is piling up a list of moves he almost made. Why is buddy still here. Does any team want him at this point. Kings are probably stuck with him now.

I don't think "getting out" of your best player is plan A. Buddy types are a different story.

 

[SacTownKid]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1488946346673389570

Bleh. I like Josh Hart, but this would be the definition of rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Maybe if a FRP comes along with him?

Screw the pick, Harts bulky but no more stubby guards.

 

[SacTownKid]

Without Herb Jones or FRPs in the deal, I don't know.

Trey Murphy III was somebody supposedly high on the Kings radar around draft time.

 

[The_Jamal]

Screw the pick, Harts bulky but no more stubby guards.

Oh come on. Hart is absolutely a 3/4 swing type guy, despite being 6'5. One of the best rebounding wings in basketball, would bring a toughness the Kings just don't have.

 

[The_Jamal]

I find that one a bit hard to believe, but yeah I'd jump on that. It only makes sense if the Pacers really are focused on an OKC style complete rebuild and value caproom and picks above all else.

Flip Holmes to the Hornets for PJ Washington and change and then look to deal Barnes and Hield for additional younger players and/or draft picks.

Sabonis
Washington
Harkless? Somebody else in a trade?
Haliburton
Fox

Not ideal, but an improvement.

Even if Sabonis isn't coming, I'd sell out to get PJ on board. His skill-set is just so undervalued as a quality role playing big that does everything well in a league dominated by guards and wings. You can glove fit him with anybody. And he's still just 23 while controlling his RFA/extension rights.

 

[SacTownKid]

Oh come on. Hart is absolutely a 3/4 swing type guy, despite being 6'5. One of the best rebounding wings in basketball, would bring a toughness the Kings just don't have.

He's a solid player but you have to measure it with the rest of the team. You can't be literally undersized at the most crucial positions and get even smaller in deals that should be helping negate those issues. The issue right now for Sac is help defense and versatility. Hart has some degree of versatility but overall size matters. He's best swinging to SG and this is a team that is having to find time for PG's there at the moment already.

 

[funkykingston]

I don't like it funkykingston.

Definitely, I say keep your picks and tank this year, and next. Get top 5's in the next 2 drafts and combine with Hallie and Fox. There you have it. It's that simple.

The only problem IMO is that the Kings are finally unintentionally tanking themselves into a top five lottery slot in a draft that is significantly weaker than last year. I had Mobley and Cunningham rated as stronger prospects than the consensus top 3 in this draft and the drop off after that trio (or quartet depending on how much you like Ivey) is considerable.

This year's pick with top 3 or 4 protection wouldn't bother me too much. After the top guys I like Kendall Brown for the Kings, but I'm not convinced that he'll be better than, say, Tari Eason who you could likely grab later in the first if you could pick up a late FRP by trading Barnes.

I don't love Sabonis for the Kings, but if you're going to build around both Fox and Hali, he's the kind of player you need. A big who can facilitate, rebound, score inside and stretch the floor.

 

[funkykingston]

Even if Sabonis isn't coming, I'd sell out to get PJ on board. His skill-set is just so undervalued as a quality role playing big that does everything well in a league dominated by guards and wings. You can glove fit him with anybody. And he's still just 23 while controlling his RFA/extension rights.

If Monte really does want to build around the two guards, Sabonis and Washington are a pretty ideal frontcourt. Trade for a 3&D SF and hope for a top 3 pick (if the FRP to Indiana is top 3 or 4 protected) to ideally add one more key piece to the core.

But yeah, I also like Washington regardless of any other moves.

 

[SacTownKid]

The only problem IMO is that the Kings are finally unintentionally tanking themselves into a top five lottery slot in a draft that is significantly weaker than last year. I had Mobley and Cunningham rated as stronger prospects than the consensus top 3 in this draft and the drop off after that trio (or quartet depending on how much you like Ivey) is considerable.

This year's pick with top 3 or 4 protection wouldn't bother me too much. After the top guys I like Kendall Brown for the Kings, but I'm not convinced that he'll be better than, say, Tari Eason who you could likely grab later in the first if you could pick up a late FRP by trading Barnes.

I don't love Sabonis for the Kings, but if you're going to build around both Fox and Hali, he's the kind of player you need. A big who can facilitate, rebound, score inside and stretch the floor.

I see a lot of shots in the area where a slashing PG should probably be operating in. This is where cost and expectation come into the picture because this again is going to probably be a situation where someone has to bend their game to fit. Maybe it won't be Fox this time, maybe it will be Sabonis. Yeah, post scoring would be nice, but if you are building a team around Fox/Haliburton, the only legit units are small ones according to the 5 man stats likely because of their ability to both run and space. Sabonis is shooting a bit better from 3 this year but he's not a huge volume player by any stretch and most years he's well below league average from almost every spot beyond the arc.


https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/domantas-sabonis-shot-chart-this-year

 

[Das_Boot]

Hart, Temple, Jones for Barnes and Ramsey or Woodard? If the Pels really do want Barnes, who says no? They get their desired player and get to wipe Temple's contract off the books. We get Jones, who is the real prize, and I wouldn't mind seeing Hart on the roster. If adding Temple's contract is the price of doing business I'm ok with that.

 

[kb02]

I see a lot of shots in the area where a slashing PG should probably be operating in. This is where cost and expectation come into the picture because this again is going to probably be a situation where someone has to bend their game to fit. Maybe it won't be Fox this time, maybe it will be Sabonis. Yeah, post scoring would be nice, but if you are building a team around Fox/Haliburton, the only legit units are small ones according to the 5 man stats likely because of their ability to both run and space. Sabonis is shooting a bit better from 3 this year but he's not a huge volume player by any stretch and most years he's well below league average from almost every spot beyond the arc.


https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/domantas-sabonis-shot-chart-this-year

Solution: trade Fox.

 

[kb02]

Hart, Temple, Jones for Barnes and Ramsey or Woodard? If the Pels really do want Barnes, who says no? They get their desired player and get to wipe Temple's contract off the books. We get Jones, who is the real prize, and I wouldn't mind seeing Hart on the roster. If adding Temple's contract is the price of doing business I'm ok with that.

Jones is pretty much untouchable at this point. He was there for the taking if Monte traded up to get him in the second. Those 4 seconds that he sacrificed sure would’ve helped n moving up. Switch Murphy for Jones and I think it’s doable. I like Murphy. There’s more shooting than Jones, but less of everything else. At this point, the Kings should take it.

 

[SacTownKid]

Solution: trade Fox.

Is it though? Is it really? Not for Sabonis, no, bad move. Now, if they got Sabonis some other way and were able to use Fox to build a complimentary team around Sabonis and whoever then maybe but it all depends on who.

 

[funkykingston]

Jones is pretty much untouchable at this point. He was there for the taking if Monte traded up to get him in the second. Those 4 seconds that he sacrificed sure would’ve helped n moving up. Switch Murphy for Jones and I think it’s doable. I like Murphy. There’s more shooting than Jones, but less of everything else. At this point, the Kings should take it.

There were a few guys that I hoped would drop to the Kings in 2nd round (Todd, Robinson-Earl etc) but Jones was at the top of my list. Queta honestly wasn't even on my radar but he was a good pick IMO. But how nice would it be to have Neemius AND Herb Jones?

Add him in to roster with the hypothetical trades we've been talking about and you'd have:

Sabonis/Len/Jones/Queta
Washington/Metu/Woodard
Jones/Harkless/King
Haliburton/Davis/Ramsey
Fox/McConnell/Smith

AND you'd still have Barnes and Hield to dangle for picks and/or young pieces that fit better around a Tyrese/De'Aaron/Domantas core. With a team that already has plenty of scoring, Jones would be ideal in the SF spot, especially if he keeps improving his outside shot.

 

[kb02]

There were a few guys that I hoped would drop to the Kings in 2nd round (Todd, Robinson-Earl etc) but Jones was at the top of my list. Queta honestly wasn't even on my radar but he was a good pick IMO. But how nice would it be to have Neemius AND Herb Jones?

Add him in to roster with the hypothetical trades we've been talking about and you'd have:

Sabonis/Len/Jones/Queta
Washington/Metu/Woodard
Jones/Harkless/King
Haliburton/Davis/Ramsey
Fox/McConnell/Smith

AND you'd still have Barnes and Hield to dangle for picks and/or young pieces that fit better around a Tyrese/De'Aaron/Domantas core. With a team that already has plenty of scoring, Jones would be ideal in the SF spot, especially if he keeps improving his outside shot.

Pelicans love Jones, so I doubt he’s available. I remember just scratching my head a number of times when this board was going crazy over Moody when Jones was better and pegged as a late first, early second pick. There are numerous instances where I stated this. To get Jones now, the Pels would likely require Barnes abs a protected first.

Trey Murphy is available though and I would take him in a heartbeat. He’s a better shooter than Jones and will eventually have a Moe Harkless floor.

Queta wasn’t on my radar at all. He’s done okay, but there were guys in the 2nd that I would’ve chosen ahead of him in a heartbeat: Jones, Donsumu, and Butler to name a few.

 

[kb02]

Is it though? Is it really? Not for Sabonis, no, bad move. Now, if they got Sabonis some other way and were able to use Fox to build a complimentary team around Sabonis and whoever then maybe but it all depends on who.

At this point, keeping Fox would be a bonus. He’s not a cornerstone.