macadocious
Starter
Ingles is out for the season and expiring, so, what?
Trade Deadline Thread
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kb02
All-Star
Im not really a fan of RJ’s. He’s in there only to balance the value gap. Barrett gives me Harrison Barnes vibes. 10 yr pro, good, but never great.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Royce is the same age as Barnes and Ingles might never play in the league again after his injury and is a free agent and the Jazz have absolutely no draft capital to speak of. Let's do it!
kb02
All-Star
TANK.
kb02
All-Star
Prob a future first and Butler with salary filler. Regardless, if Barnes goes to Utah, the Kings are tanking.
itzcoatl
Bench
This is terrible. We have no use for Ingles expiring as no free agent will sign here. Utah doesn’t have a FRP to trade so we would be getting *checks notes* Royce White??
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Yeah, I guess Royce could easily be moved to another team looking for wing depth and we could get Utah's 2023 1st along with Butler but I'm not sure that's the best package we could get for Barnes right now.
I like Royce a ton. Fits the Dorian Finney Smith mold of being an excellent defender, super impactful and a great multi-year 3pt shooter. Ingles is obviously an expiring to match the Barnes salary, but you need more and it doesn't look like they have their FRP for awhile. I don't think Butler+second round picks with Royce is enough
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Nothing is certain in life but death, taxes, and Danny Ainge trying to trade trash for Harrison Barnes."All out"?
gunks
Hall of Famer
I'm digging the rumors around Barnes and Monte wanting a FRP for him, that's exactly the kind of move we should be making.
It's a dang shame Lakers have no decent assets since they're still fiending for Buddy... I'd like to think there are other suitors out there for him, but the Lakers FO has been so bad lately you'd think they hired Vlade, not sure any competent GMs will give us much for him, but his 3pt shooting is still elite....
I'm glad McNair isn't selling low on Fox. He was actually starting to put it together again, and play well with Hali. It would be a shame to have him included in a package with a FRP for a player like Sabonis, who I would put on that same tier impact wise.
I think all you impatient folk need to relax. This board is crazy... the tank crowd is also the "do something Monte!" crowd. I'm happy to ride this tragic season out and get that high pick. Maybe Monte won't get ****** on a good trade by external forces for once and set us up this summer.
It's a dang shame Lakers have no decent assets since they're still fiending for Buddy... I'd like to think there are other suitors out there for him, but the Lakers FO has been so bad lately you'd think they hired Vlade, not sure any competent GMs will give us much for him, but his 3pt shooting is still elite....
I'm glad McNair isn't selling low on Fox. He was actually starting to put it together again, and play well with Hali. It would be a shame to have him included in a package with a FRP for a player like Sabonis, who I would put on that same tier impact wise.
I think all you impatient folk need to relax. This board is crazy... the tank crowd is also the "do something Monte!" crowd. I'm happy to ride this tragic season out and get that high pick. Maybe Monte won't get ****** on a good trade by external forces for once and set us up this summer.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Still holding out hope that the Pels are the team to make a push for Barnes and offer up one of the Lakers picks along with one of their young wings/forwards (plus Hart to make the contracts work out)
Something like Harrison + Woodard (to make the contracts/roster room work) for Hart + Murphy + 2022 or 2023 Lakers unprotected FRP (they'd need to throw in another player to match the salaries still and ideally it'd be NAW but realistically it'd probably be DiDi Louzada or someone).
Holmes/Jones/Len/TT/Queta
Bagley/Metu/Harkless
Hart/Murphy/Didi/King
Tyrese/Hield/Davis(IR)/Ramsey
Fox/Mitchell
Even without making another move, that at least sets us up to be bad enough to get a good pick this season plus another one in the teens this season or even better next season. Even if the pick that comes back to us is NO's 2023 one or beyond, I'm not sure that team gets much better even with Barnes on the roster and Zion coming back.
Then of course you've still got Holmes/Hield/Bagley/TT/Len(/Fox if you really want to get spicy in a rebuild) to deal for players to either win now or rebuild. Probably never happening but the Pels are another team desperate enough to actually give us something useful for Barnes.
Something like Harrison + Woodard (to make the contracts/roster room work) for Hart + Murphy + 2022 or 2023 Lakers unprotected FRP (they'd need to throw in another player to match the salaries still and ideally it'd be NAW but realistically it'd probably be DiDi Louzada or someone).
Holmes/Jones/Len/TT/Queta
Bagley/Metu/Harkless
Hart/Murphy/Didi/King
Tyrese/Hield/Davis(IR)/Ramsey
Fox/Mitchell
Even without making another move, that at least sets us up to be bad enough to get a good pick this season plus another one in the teens this season or even better next season. Even if the pick that comes back to us is NO's 2023 one or beyond, I'm not sure that team gets much better even with Barnes on the roster and Zion coming back.
Then of course you've still got Holmes/Hield/Bagley/TT/Len(/Fox if you really want to get spicy in a rebuild) to deal for players to either win now or rebuild. Probably never happening but the Pels are another team desperate enough to actually give us something useful for Barnes.
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TaxMan
Starter
To get a trade of any value to happen, we have to either be draft pick sellers or buyers. That is just the nature of trades in the current NBA. It is highly unlikely we are going to sell our players to get better players back. I suspect ownership still has the ridiculous playoff goal for this year, but in order to achieve that we have to sell draft assets... which McNair likely knows is a terrible idea.
Yeah Murphy hasn't been good, but he's a solid archetype to bet on with his size/wingspan and shooting/defense potential. I dunno if you'd get the FRP and Murphy with Hart, but at least a real solid base to work with.
I think if Boston is willing to entertain trades for Brown, they could get Simmons back from Philly, which would be a pretty good fit with their roster.
Smart
Richardson
Tatum
Simmons
Horford
with Simmons essentially functioning as the PG on offense gives them a pretty solid starting five with great defensive potential and maybe just enough shooting to cover for Simmons.
Now, if Boston does decide to break up Brown and Tatum and doesn't want Simmons - well then maybe the Kings could get involved.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Yeah, the thing about the Barnes market this year is that there are a bunch of teams that want/need him but not many teams that have anything we'd actually want. The FRP thing is wishful thinking on my part but also apparently something Monte's been asking for in trade discussions (finally!) and I think I'd still go for it even if the pick ended up lotto protected or something (maybe even top 20 protected).
Hart's production isn't that far off from Barnes's this season (although he's not the perimeter shooter Barnes is) though so I'm not quite sure why the Pelicans are so intent on swapping him for Barnes all things considered (his contract is cheaper than Harrisons and not all that much longer AND he's a couple of years younger).
And if Zion intends on coming back (next season?), Barnes-BI-Zion is a really strange fit with each other. I guess you technically can move BI up to the 2, but he's actually more natural as a small-ball PF.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
This is ridiculous. No thank you .
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I wonder if their prevailing idea is that Zion would function better as a traditional 5 on defense (off-ball helper/rebounder) while Barnes could take on most post players they face (assuming they move Jonas in this scenario) and Ingram could defend wings on the perimeter with Herb Jones. They'd still get shredding by most guards out there but that was still happening even when they had Lonzo on the roster. Offensively there shouldn't be too much of an issue between those three and Graham, even if the offball shooting between NAW, Jones, and the rest of their supporting cast is questionable at best.
As an aside, it is amazing to see the Pelicans somehow screw up their rebuilding process considering they started with the 1st overall pick and two stars worth of draft assets and young players.
Utah's first available FRP is 2028!!! (I said 2026 yesterday, but missed the conditional stuff on the 2024 pick)
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I think one thing to keep in mind with these trades is that if the intent is to move Fox, we'd suddenly find ourself in need of another ball-handling guard or two, which would make Butler coming back for Barnes at least a little more sensible (even if Butler has really struggled running an offense this year).
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Oh good lord, I forgot OKC got their 2024 1st rounder in the Favors trade.
I mean, you could play the "if they have conveyed" game like they did with the 2024 pick, and get 2026 (if 2024 to Utah) or 2027 (if 2025 to Utah) or 2028, but at this point I'd insist on zero protections on the pick. If it's that far out, and you want us to blow it up and give you Barnes, man, we need draft capital coming back big time.
Why are the Jazz looking to move O'Neal for Barnes? They're 1st in offensive rating and 13th in defensive rating. O'Neal is the best defensive player that's not a center on their team. They already have offensive firepower with Mitchell, Conley, Bogdanovic and Clarkson. Not to mention Gobert gets his in as well.
I guess I don't understand why they would want to unbalance their roster even more by going after Barnes.
I really like O'Neal but these types of moves don't make much sense for the Kings. I'd rather have a draft pick and go after a 20 year old O'Neal than trade our 3rd best player for a 28 year old O'Neal.
I guess I don't understand why they would want to unbalance their roster even more by going after Barnes.
I really like O'Neal but these types of moves don't make much sense for the Kings. I'd rather have a draft pick and go after a 20 year old O'Neal than trade our 3rd best player for a 28 year old O'Neal.
Yep. Monte just up and hogged 'em all. Chess >>> Checkers, people.
O'Neale would make a ton of sense as a secondary aquisiton to a big fish like Sabonis or Randle. But grabbing just O'Neale and expecting that to turn things around would be very Kangz
Absolutely. He's been hurt all year and working his way back from injury which is why his numbers have declined so much, but he was still incredibly good on both ends last year. The thesis from the Bogi trade hasn't changed; just a quality 2-way player the Kings need more of.
