Trade Deadline Rumors

bajaden said:
A player I would like to pry away is Terrence Jones of the Rockets. I've liked Jones since he played at Kentucky, and he brings a little bit of both worlds that the Kings say their looking for in a PF. He's 6'9" with a nice wingspan and he's a very good athlete. He's a good defender in the post who will block his share of shots. He rebounds well, and he also has the ability to move outside and shoot the ball. He's not a great 3 point shooter, but he's improved every year and up to around 33% right now. He just came back from an injury, and while he was on the disabled list, the Rockets went out and acquired Josh Smith, who is now taking a lot of the minutes Jones used to get. With a rotation of Howard, Motiejunas, and Smith, he might be available.
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That's an interesting name. Do you think he is good enough to plug into the starting lineup?
His per 36 rebounding rate is not so impressive this year at 7.5/game, although it was closer to 9 last year (Jason is about 9 this year).
His per 36 block rate this year 2.4. This is a little higher than last year which was 1.7. That is about what we would hope for in our starting PF, I would think.

The numbers suggest he would be an upgrade over JT, but I admittedly haven't seen him play too much.

edit: link to stats http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/joneste01.html
 
itzcoatl said:
That's an interesting name. Do you think he is good enough to plug into the starting lineup?
His per 36 rebounding rate is not so impressive this year at 7.5/game, although it was closer to 9 last year (Jason is about 9 this year).
His per 36 block rate this year 2.4. This is a little higher than last year which was 1.7. That is about what we would hope for in our starting PF, I would think.

The numbers suggest he would be an upgrade over JT, but I admittedly haven't seen him play too much.

edit: link to stats http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/joneste01.html
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He was the starter next to Howard until he got injured and was very good in that role. Now, he's stuck in a logjam as Montiejunas has developed and Smith is enough of a distraction that McHale has to play him to prevent locker room distractions.
 
rainmaker said:
I'd also keep an eye on Ryan Anderson, who I want no part of.
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We don't have the assets to get Anderson who NO won't let go cheaply.

If we are looking for a stretch 4, then I have no doubt that he would be well and truly on our list of players to go after. I am not sure we have the trade chips to get him though.
 
Don't want to derail the topic.. but what about MCW? Any chance Philly lets him go? I'm a fan of his and I've seen him play quite a bit at Syracuse and his rookie year. Not going to blow anyone away but he's a good passer has great size and can really feed DMC in the post. Not to mention he's young and would have a great coach that can mold him properly.

This is of course after we solve our issue at the 4 spot.
 
Čarolija said:
We don't have the assets to get Anderson who NO won't let go cheaply.

If we are looking for a stretch 4, then I have no doubt that he would be well and truly on our list of players to go after. I am not sure we have the trade chips to get him though.
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I have no idea what NO thinks they can get for him but I don't see him being that valuable. Streaky shooter and poor defender who's a black hole, jacks up a shot literally every time he touches the rock. Guy forces poor shot after poor shot. Shooting just under 41% from two and just under 35% from 3.

If Demps thinks they're going to get considerable value for him, he's been spending too much time on Bourbon St.
 
rainmaker said:
I have no idea what NO thinks they can get for him but I don't see him being that valuable. Streaky shooter and poor defender who's a black hole, jacks up a shot literally every time he touches the rock. Guy forces poor shot after poor shot. Shooting just under 41% from two and just under 35% from 3.

If Demps thinks they're going to get considerable value for him, he's been spending too much time on Bourbon St.
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Whatever it is, they would need to be getting a whole lot of bench scoring in return. They're gonna want to make a serious playoff push and with Holiday still out Ryno is their only bench scorer. I doubt they're quite ready to tell Jimmer to just go jack up shots. With AD out they simply lack scoring options, also largely because Asik and Withey aren't adept at catching quick passes and finishing around the rim which makes them into a huge (unreliable) jump shooting team.
 
I could not find any post about this. But NBA Buzz facebook account has posted a mega trade with Kings and Nets.

Kings land Deron Williams and Jason Maxiel while sending Derrick Williams, Stauskas, Sessions, and Landry to Charlotte and Denver.

If this falls through, wow. My faith on PDA is restored.

Now, let's start the Deron Williams is just a shell of himself replies. :p:p:p
 
KingsCitizen said:
I could not find any post about this. But NBA Buzz facebook account has posted a mega trade with Kings and Nets.

Kings land Deron Williams and Jason Maxiel while sending Derrick Williams, Stauskas, Sessions, and Landry to Charlotte and Denver.

If this falls through, wow. My faith on PDA is restored.

Now, let's start the Deron Williams is just a shell of himself replies. :p:p:p
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They got that from bleacher report, its a fantasy trade idea.

I know the front office wants Deron Williams but last I heard Mason Plumlee needed to be involved and the nets said no.
 
Well, here's one post for DEron Williams is a shell of himself. The contract is just to big for an oft injured guy. I still think DWill can play a bit but he is no way the player he was. If he was making way less money, then maybe we go after him but he's not. Nets have to add or pair the DWill contract with a young desirable asset in any deal and I don't see them trading Plumlee and I don't think there is any other young asset on that team worth taking on the DWill contract.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
I would give up a lot for Terrence Jones. Jones and Henson. Those are the power forwards I want.
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What would you give up for Jones? D-Mo is someone who I'd offer Ben for.. I think the most I'd give up for Jones is a package of Landry and Nik or JT and Nik. Henson would be a great shot blocker next to Cuz, but he doesn't have the strength to defend bigger guys. His man to man defense still needs some work.

I think I'd give up a similar package for Henson too.
 
206Fan said:
What would you give up for Jones? D-Mo is someone who I'd offer Ben for.. I think the most I'd give up for Jones is a package of Landry and Nik or JT and Nik. Henson would be a great shot blocker next to Cuz, but he doesn't have the strength to defend bigger guys. His man to man defense still needs some work.

I think I'd give up a similar package for Henson too.
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Cousins has turned himself into a good enough defender that the Kings don't really need anyone to defend the 'bigger' guys, because Cousins can do that. That's my opinion, anyway. There are only a handful (and that handful is getting smaller by the minute) of guys I'd worry about Henson's .. slightness with. I even thought Henson defended Cousins decently in the Kings last game agains the Bucks, and there is no way in hell he should have been defending him.

I'm about to say something that I would assume is a fairly unpopular opinion here, but here it goes.

I would consider moving McLemore in a package for either Jones or Henson. I'd really think about it. Try to suck more out of the other team, etc. Maybe you can nab Henson and Ilysova for McLemore and Landry. It's tough with Henson or Jones because both teams are in the playoff hunt, and could be afraid of breaking up what they have. Especially if Sanders is out of Milwaukee. They sort of need Henson.

My reasoning behind potentially moving Ben has a few components to it. For starters, I'm still not a true believer. I've seen his improvements over last season. He's better, certainly, but he still has a long way to go. My second point is that if the Kings want to improve, like, really improve (and I think Henson or Jones could be a massive improvement in team balance) then someone has to go. McLemore has more value than Stauskas.

And third, If the Kings can move McLemore for a legitimate defensive game changer and rim protector to put next to Cousins, and I would classify Henson and Jones as that guy, potentially, AND go get Afflalo for a Stauskas based trade ... I like that. I like that a lot.

Collison
Afflalo
Gay
Henson or Jones
Cousins

Obvious massive depth issues, but the Kings have that issue now. The bench needs to be fixed big time, but I'm OK with that waiting until the offseason.

The monkey wrench in my plan is Willie Cauley-Stein. If the Kings keep their pick and draft WCS, then they don't need to trade McLemore for Henson or Jones, but looking that far into the future is nearly impossible.
 
Lebron or Durant? Really? Come on. I agree Cousins is a beast but he has yet to win more than 28 games in a season. Lebron and Durant are capable of winning 50 games and contending for championships on their own.


rainmaker said:
I wouldn't trade Cuz for Lebron or Durant.

Anthony Davis is the only player who enters the conversation due to youth/upside/being a big but even then, I see Cuz abusing him in a playoff series down the road. When Davis is the only player who enters the conversation and Cuz has his way with him almost every time they match-up, that leaves me with conclusion that I'm not trading Cuz for a single player on this planet.

I do think a few of our posters here come from another planet so if they have suggestions we're not privy to here on earth, I'm all ears.

I'm not sure what the expectations of others are towards Cuz but IMO he's going to be the best player and most unstoppable player in this league for 5-8 years, maybe longer. It's a Duncan type foundation, you don't trade that away. And I'm a huge Dirk fan but if he can get to the Finals twice, there's absolutely no reason Cuz can't do the same and more, aside from injury or FO incompetence.
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MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Cousins has turned himself into a good enough defender that the Kings don't really need anyone to defend the 'bigger' guys, because Cousins can do that. That's my opinion, anyway. There are only a handful (and that handful is getting smaller by the minute) of guys I'd worry about Henson's .. slightness with. I even thought Henson defended Cousins decently in the Kings last game agains the Bucks, and there is no way in hell he should have been defending him.

I'm about to say something that I would assume is a fairly unpopular opinion here, but here it goes.

I would consider moving McLemore in a package for either Jones or Henson. I'd really think about it. Try to suck more out of the other team, etc. Maybe you can nab Henson and Ilysova for McLemore and Landry. It's tough with Henson or Jones because both teams are in the playoff hunt, and could be afraid of breaking up what they have. Especially if Sanders is out of Milwaukee. They sort of need Henson.

My reasoning behind potentially moving Ben has a few components to it. For starters, I'm still not a true believer. I've seen his improvements over last season. He's better, certainly, but he still has a long way to go. My second point is that if the Kings want to improve, like, really improve (and I think Henson or Jones could be a massive improvement in team balance) then someone has to go. McLemore has more value than Stauskas.

And third, If the Kings can move McLemore for a legitimate defensive game changer and rim protector to put next to Cousins, and I would classify Henson and Jones as that guy, potentially, AND go get Afflalo for a Stauskas based trade ... I like that. I like that a lot.

Collison
Afflalo
Gay
Henson or Jones
Cousins

Obvious massive depth issues, but the Kings have that issue now. The bench needs to be fixed big time, but I'm OK with that waiting until the offseason.

The monkey wrench in my plan is Willie Cauley-Stein. If the Kings keep their pick and draft WCS, then they don't need to trade McLemore for Henson or Jones, but looking that far into the future is nearly impossible.
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My ultimate plan is that we draft WCS. The draft is a highly unpopular opinion here, but if we can get a top 6 pick WCS is a lock for sure. Maybe even top 10.

I'm a heavy believer in Ben, but I don't think he's truly an untouchable for us. If we traded him, I would want a better player than Henson or Jones. Henson is honestly being forced to start without Larry Sanders. If he were better, it would make me wonder why he's only averaged 17.9mpg for a young team like the Bucks.

Terrence Jones is a player who was only a starter on the Rockets last year because they lacked depth at PF. This year, D-MO practically took his job with ease. Even when Jones comes back, he'll be stuck in a weird rotation. The main asset he offers to the Rockets is 3pt shooting. With or without Jones, they're in good shape. He's not an important piece for their team's success.

I don't see why we'd give up Ben for those 2 players.
 
206Fan said:
My ultimate plan is that we draft WCS. The draft is a highly unpopular opinion here, but if we can get a top 6 pick WCS is a lock for sure. Maybe even top 10.

I'm a heavy believer in Ben, but I don't think he's truly an untouchable for us. If we traded him, I would want a better player than Henson or Jones. Henson is honestly being forced to start without Larry Sanders. If he were better, it would make me wonder why he's only averaged 17.9mpg for a young team like the Bucks.

Terrence Jones is a player who was only a starter on the Rockets last year because they lacked depth at PF. This year, D-MO practically took his job with ease. Even when Jones comes back, he'll be stuck in a weird rotation. The main asset he offers to the Rockets is 3pt shooting. With or without Jones, they're in good shape. He's not an important piece for their team's success.

I don't see why we'd give up Ben for those 2 players.
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Ben's raw numbers are inflated in my opinion by the fact that he's been receiving minutes since his rookie season that he probably didn't deserve. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the Kings are playing him, but the Kings have had the worst crop of shooting guards in the league over the last two season, and McLemore is a huge part of that. I hate to tear his game apart, but he brings next to nothing offensively aside from his shooting, which has tailed off recently. For a stretch he was shooting above .400 from 3, now he's back down to .362 ... not good enough. His off the ball movement is decent. His defense is getting better. Everything is getting better, actually, but It's not close to where it needs to be.

Henson wasn't handed the opportunity Ben was, and that's ok. Every player gets drafted into a different situation. Henson was drafted by a Bucks team that already had / has a ton of length and defensive minded / shot blocking bigs. He was redundant in Milwaukee for a long time. And yet his per36 numbers are great. His PER has been near 18 in his three season in the NBA. Ben has a career high PER this season of 9.9. PER is what it is, but these players are hard to compare, so we live with what we've got.

I'm slightly less high on Jones than I am Henson, but Jones is another guy with a good PER and nice per36 numbers for his entire (short) NBA career. I would also suggest that he lost minutes this season due to injury more than anything else. DMO has played well, and has Jones' spot for now, but I'd actually prefer Jones to DMO on this team.

I'm just not as high on Ben as some are. If he were on 29 other teams (slight exaggeration, i'm sure) he's not getting nearly the amount of playing time as he has here, and thus his perceived value wouldn't be as high.

Jones and Henson are two players I like. If someone wants to call me out and say my personal valuation of those two are too high, that's fine. I'll take it.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Ben's raw numbers are inflated in my opinion by the fact that he's been receiving minutes since his rookie season that he probably didn't deserve. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the Kings are playing him, but the Kings have had the worst crop of shooting guards in the league over the last two season, and McLemore is a huge part of that. I hate to tear his game apart, but he brings next to nothing offensively aside from his shooting, which has tailed off recently. For a stretch he was shooting above .400 from 3, now he's back down to .362 ... not good enough. His off the ball movement is decent. His defense is getting better. Everything is getting better, actually, but It's not close to where it needs to be.

Henson wasn't handed the opportunity Ben was, and that's ok. Every player gets drafted into a different situation. Henson was drafted by a Bucks team that already had / has a ton of length and defensive minded / shot blocking bigs. He was redundant in Milwaukee for a long time. And yet his per36 numbers are great. His PER has been near 18 in his three season in the NBA. Ben has a career high PER this season of 9.9. PER is what it is, but these players are hard to compare, so we live with what we've got.

I'm slightly less high on Jones than I am Henson, but Jones is another guy with a good PER and nice per36 numbers for his entire (short) NBA career. I would also suggest that he lost minutes this season due to injury more than anything else. DMO has played well, and has Jones' spot for now, but I'd actually prefer Jones to DMO on this team.

I'm just not as high on Ben as some are. If he were on 29 other teams (slight exaggeration, i'm sure) he's not getting nearly the amount of playing time as he has here, and thus his perceived value wouldn't be as high.

Jones and Henson are two players I like. If someone wants to call me out and say my personal valuation of those two are too high, that's fine. I'll take it.
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I think the counter argument is that if Ben were on 29 other teams he wouldn't have been forced into playing time he wasn't ready for and would still have more of that raw intriguing prospect buzz. Instead he's having the teams lack of players to allow him to develop held against him.
 
John Galt said:
On their own???? hmmm... No Westbrooks? No Ibakas? No Loves? No Irvings? No Wades? No Boshes? Just all by themselves yes
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Well, I mean, Lebron makes the players around him better.


As in he tells the GM to replace the guys around him with guys of a higher talent level. (Or he changes teams).
 
John Galt said:
On their own???? hmmm... No Westbrooks? No Ibakas? No Loves? No Irvings? No Wades? No Boshes? Just all by themselves yes
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LeBron once took a Cavaliers line up of neighborhood kids to the NBA Finals. Of course he lost when he had to face a team with more than one good player, but he got them there.
 
206Fan said:
What would you give up for Jones? D-Mo is someone who I'd offer Ben for.. I think the most I'd give up for Jones is a package of Landry and Nik or JT and Nik. Henson would be a great shot blocker next to Cuz, but he doesn't have the strength to defend bigger guys. His man to man defense still needs some work.

I think I'd give up a similar package for Henson too.
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Why not just do Nik straight up for Jones. The salaries match. The minute you add JT, or Landry, not you've complicated the deal with the necessity of having to add other players to make the salaries match again. If I'm doing that, then I'll just trade them Landry straight up for Jones, and any enders they want to throw in. They know Landry since he played there before. That way you move JT to the backup Center/PF position and start Jones next to Cousins and for the most part go with a three many rotation.

I'm curious as to why when anyone on this forum wants to trade for a player on another team, we overvalue them and try to throw the kitchen sink at them. I believe in making a low ball offer and go from there.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Cousins has turned himself into a good enough defender that the Kings don't really need anyone to defend the 'bigger' guys, because Cousins can do that. That's my opinion, anyway. There are only a handful (and that handful is getting smaller by the minute) of guys I'd worry about Henson's .. slightness with. I even thought Henson defended Cousins decently in the Kings last game agains the Bucks, and there is no way in hell he should have been defending him.

I'm about to say something that I would assume is a fairly unpopular opinion here, but here it goes.

I would consider moving McLemore in a package for either Jones or Henson. I'd really think about it. Try to suck more out of the other team, etc. Maybe you can nab Henson and Ilysova for McLemore and Landry. It's tough with Henson or Jones because both teams are in the playoff hunt, and could be afraid of breaking up what they have. Especially if Sanders is out of Milwaukee. They sort of need Henson.

My reasoning behind potentially moving Ben has a few components to it. For starters, I'm still not a true believer. I've seen his improvements over last season. He's better, certainly, but he still has a long way to go. My second point is that if the Kings want to improve, like, really improve (and I think Henson or Jones could be a massive improvement in team balance) then someone has to go. McLemore has more value than Stauskas.

And third, If the Kings can move McLemore for a legitimate defensive game changer and rim protector to put next to Cousins, and I would classify Henson and Jones as that guy, potentially, AND go get Afflalo for a Stauskas based trade ... I like that. I like that a lot.

Collison
Afflalo
Gay
Henson or Jones
Cousins

Obvious massive depth issues, but the Kings have that issue now. The bench needs to be fixed big time, but I'm OK with that waiting until the offseason.

The monkey wrench in my plan is Willie Cauley-Stein. If the Kings keep their pick and draft WCS, then they don't need to trade McLemore for Henson or Jones, but looking that far into the future is nearly impossible.
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Here's the thing with the Henson or Jones scenario. Right now Jones looks expendable on the Houston team. With the acquisition of Smith, he's just not getting any minutes. So acquiring him seems possible. Not so with Henson. With the probably exit of Sanders, Henson has become a valuable part of the Bucks team. So to my mind, Jones is a real possibility, and Henson is just a dream.
 
bajaden said:
Here's the thing with the Henson or Jones scenario. Right now Jones looks expendable on the Houston team. With the acquisition of Smith, he's just not getting any minutes. So acquiring him seems possible. Not so with Henson. With the probably exit of Sanders, Henson has become a valuable part of the Bucks team. So to my mind, Jones is a real possibility, and Henson is just a dream.
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Yes, the Bucks are unloading Sanders. I wish they'd slide Henson over to us but they can't. CAN'T. And for those who see this as a chance to get Sanders, forget it. I could go into some detail as to my reasons but I've written them before. He presently is in a mood where he doesn't want to play basketball. He has also laid out enough hints so that I do NOT think weed is his problem. His problem, as I guess from afar, is probably worse.
 
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