Trade Deadline Deal

[twslam07]

I have been thinking of some deadline deals the Kings could make that could ultimately set us up as future contenders. There was always one deal that I kept reverting back to.

Celtics Get:
Isaiah Thomas
Ben McLemore
Derrick Williams
Tayshaun Prince
Jimmer Fredette
1st Round Pick (Mem)

Celtics Give:
Rajon Rondo
Jeff Green
Marshawn Brooks

Grizzlies Get:
Jeff Green
Jason Thompson

Grizzlies Give:
Ed Davis
Tayshaun Prince
Mike Miller
1st Round Pick (Mem)

Kings Get:
Rajon Rondo
Ed Davis
Marshawn Brooks
Mike Miller

Kings Give:
Isaiah Thomas
Ben McLemore
Jason Thompson
Derrick Williams
Jimmer Fredette

Why for the Celtics?
The Celtics have made it clear that they want to tank this year. Having a healthy Rondo and Green in the rotation will not help. Boston has also said they want young prospects and picks for Rondo. In this trade they get Thomas, McLemore, and Williams who all are young and still have potential. On top of that, they get a 1st round pick from Memphis in a year where they have been a disappointment.

With the young players they currently have on the team (Bradley, Crawford, Olynyk, Sullinger), the young players they just got in the trade (Thomas, McLemore, Williams), and two 1st round picks in next year’s draft, there would be a lot to get excited about for the Celtics organization.

Why for the Grizzlies?
This trade for the Grizzlies is a win now move. They upgrade Prince with Green who gives them a viable scoring wing on the perimeter. He can also knock down threes at a good rate (much better than Prince could) which will help space the floor for Randolph and Gasol. He’s rather efficient shooting 45% and only taking 12 shots a game so he won’t be taking shots away from Conely, Randolph, and Gasol. Green is a solid defender. He’s no Tony Allen, but he isn’t a liability either.

They also get Thompson who would be a great 3rd big off the bench for them. He could play with either Randolph or Gasol. With a big man rotation of Gasol, Randolph, Thompson, and Koufos they will be able to manhandle people down low every game.

Why for the Kings?
We get our 3rd start to pair Cousins and Gay with. Rondo is a terrific playmaker, rebounder, and defender at the PG position. He’ll help run this offense as well as be the lockdown PG defender teams covet.

We also get Ed Davis who I think is capable of becoming our PF of the future. He has the size, length, and mobility to keep up with the quicker PFs in the league. He’s a good rebounder and shotblocker which is essential next to Cousins. Lastly, he can knock down long jumpers which will help spread the floor for Cousins as well as everyone else.

PG – Rondo/McCallum
SG – Thornton/Brooks
SF – Gay/Outlaw/Miller
PF – Davis/Landry/Acy
C – Cousins/Gray/N’Diaye

I’m assuming we won’t have a very high pick after the trade, but it’s going to be pretty difficult to lose our pick considering we’ll have to finish past 5 western conference teams. We could target a SG with the pick. I think James Young would be a great fit with these players. Our core roster going into nest season would be.

PG – Rondo/McCallum
SG – Young/Thornton
SF – Gay/Outlaw
PF – Davis/Landry/Acy
C – Cousins/N’Diaye

Cousins and Gay will be the go-to options in the starting lineup while Rondo is in control of running the offense. Young and Davis will be out there to space the floor with the range on their jumpers. Rondo, Young, and Gay would do a solid job at defending the perimeter and preventing penetration while Davis would be the shotblocker there to clean up any mistakes. Everyone in the starting lineup would be good rebounders for their position. As far as the bench goes, Landry and Thornton would take over the scoring duties in the second unit.

 

[TyFreak Evans]

I have been thinking of some deadline deals the Kings could make that could ultimately set us up as future contenders. There was always one deal that I kept reverting back to.

Celtics Get:
Isaiah Thomas
Ben McLemore
Derrick Williams
Tayshaun Prince
Jimmer Fredette
1st Round Pick (Mem)

Celtics Give:
Rajon Rondo
Jeff Green
Marshawn Brooks

Grizzlies Get:
Jeff Green
Jason Thompson

Grizzlies Give:
Ed Davis
Tayshaun Prince
Mike Miller
1st Round Pick (Mem)

Kings Get:
Rajon Rondo
Ed Davis
Marshawn Brooks
Mike Miller

Kings Give:
Isaiah Thomas
Ben McLemore
Jason Thompson
Derrick Williams
Jimmer Fredette

Why for the Celtics?
The Celtics have made it clear that they want to tank this year. Having a healthy Rondo and Green in the rotation will not help. Boston has also said they want young prospects and picks for Rondo. In this trade they get Thomas, McLemore, and Williams who all are young and still have potential. On top of that, they get a 1st round pick from Memphis in a year where they have been a disappointment.

With the young players they currently have on the team (Bradley, Crawford, Olynyk, Sullinger), the young players they just got in the trade (Thomas, McLemore, Williams), and two 1st round picks in next year’s draft, there would be a lot to get excited about for the Celtics organization.

Why for the Grizzlies?
This trade for the Grizzlies is a win now move. They upgrade Prince with Green who gives them a viable scoring wing on the perimeter. He can also knock down threes at a good rate (much better than Prince could) which will help space the floor for Randolph and Gasol. He’s rather efficient shooting 45% and only taking 12 shots a game so he won’t be taking shots away from Conely, Randolph, and Gasol. Green is a solid defender. He’s no Tony Allen, but he isn’t a liability either.

They also get Thompson who would be a great 3rd big off the bench for them. He could play with either Randolph or Gasol. With a big man rotation of Gasol, Randolph, Thompson, and Koufos they will be able to manhandle people down low every game.

Why for the Kings?
We get our 3rd start to pair Cousins and Gay with. Rondo is a terrific playmaker, rebounder, and defender at the PG position. He’ll help run this offense as well as be the lockdown PG defender teams covet.

We also get Ed Davis who I think is capable of becoming our PF of the future. He has the size, length, and mobility to keep up with the quicker PFs in the league. He’s a good rebounder and shotblocker which is essential next to Cousins. Lastly, he can knock down long jumpers which will help spread the floor for Cousins as well as everyone else.

PG – Rondo/McCallum
SG – Thornton/Brooks
SF – Gay/Outlaw/Miller
PF – Davis/Landry/Acy
C – Cousins/Gray/N’Diaye

I’m assuming we won’t have a very high pick after the trade, but it’s going to be pretty difficult to lose our pick considering we’ll have to finish past 5 western conference teams. We could target a SG with the pick. I think James Young would be a great fit with these players. Our core roster going into nest season would be.

PG – Rondo/McCallum
SG – Young/Thornton
SF – Gay/Outlaw
PF – Davis/Landry/Acy
C – Cousins/N’Diaye

Cousins and Gay will be the go-to options in the starting lineup while Rondo is in control of running the offense. Young and Davis will be out there to space the floor with the range on their jumpers. Rondo, Young, and Gay would do a solid job at defending the perimeter and preventing penetration while Davis would be the shotblocker there to clean up any mistakes. Everyone in the starting lineup would be good rebounders for their position. As far as the bench goes, Landry and Thornton would take over the scoring duties in the second unit.

No, thanks! I'll pass!!!

 

[Chupacabra]

I dont think i buy it for the Grizzlies. That 1st round pick is precious AND they have to give up Davis. I dont think that Thompson/Green buys those two things.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Yeah, Grizzlies would never do that. They wouldn't give up a quality draft pick for those two scrubs. Celtics have made it clear that they don't want to give up on Rondo until they give him a run (which will most likely be the remainder of the season).

 

[KingMilz]

Can't package Williams with any other player

 

[Entity]

Can't package Williams with any other player

you can by the time the trade deadline comes around.

 

[Kingsfan23]

Celtics have made it clear that they don't want to give up on Rondo until they give him a run (which will most likely be the remainder of the season).

I'm sure PDA would also make it clear that he would like to see Rondo play for a run post-injury before giving up those asserts otherwise he shouldn't be serving as kings GM. I don't know when rondo plans to return but I think it will probably be too late before the deadline for other teams to have confidence

 

[SacTownKid]

I think the Kings get the short end here.

 

[Uncia03]

I don't think there is any deal that Boston would consider doing that involves Rondo where they don't also shed Wallace' contract.
So I just don't see the OP's trade playing out because Wallace isn't moved in the deal.

Also, single team trades seem to be more workable as there are less moving parts, so if we were going to do a trade with Boston I'd expect it to be something along the lines of:

Celtics Get:
2019 1st Round Pick (Which we can give up)
IT (Basically their Rondo replacement)
Derrick Williams (Another Young prospect)
Marcus Thornton (Needed to make Salary Work and also can be a good player)
JT (Needed to make Salary Work and is a solid bench guy)

Celtics Give:
Rondo (Best Player in the deal)
Wallace (Bad Contract)
Phil Pressy/Marshon Brooks (They only have 1 free roster spot, so they include Pressy so they don't have to cut one of the incoming players)
Maybe we pry a 2nd rounder from them, but doubtful.

Williams can't be included in any trades till January 26th, but if a deal went down, it would probably look something like this. I could even see Marshon Brooks being sent over and we send over Ben McLemore as well if Boston wanted even more assets for Rondo. It will all depend on whether or not Rondo is available, and if so, what we are willing to give up to get him.

But Rondo would be the perfect PG for this team, and if we can draft Cauley-Stein/Vonleh in the upcoming draft then our starting unit would probably be top 5 potential, especially if we can keep Ben and he figures out how to use his athleticism to become a good defender.

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't believe in the exact details of the OP's original trade either, but a few days ago I posted a little inside joke that we were going to trade for Rondo...suspiciously rehabbing off site with the D-League btw, on Jan 27. That was not a randomly picked date. I picked it precisely because that was when DWill's fairly hefty contract became available to add into a trade of multiple young lottery picks for one 27-28yr old former All Star PG.

 

[Uncia03]

I don't believe in the exact details of the OP's original trade either, but a few days ago I posted a little inside joke that we were going to trade for Rondo...suspiciously rehabbing off site with the D-League btw, on Jan 27. That was not a randomly picked date. I picked it precisely because that was when DWill's fairly hefty contract became available to add into a trade of multiple young lottery picks for one 27-28yr old former All Star PG.

Yep, DWill's contract has to be involved due to the contracts of Rondo & Wallace, and DWill is the type of player that a young team would want, since he's definitely shown that he can play and produce if given minutes, especially if he plays in an uptempo pace.

I liked the DWill trade when it happened, but haven't been surprised as to what's taken place since picking up Rudy Gay. And as much as I'd like to see DWill develop a game here in Sacramento, no-one other than Cousins/Gay is safe if it means getting Rondo here.

 

[roasthawg]

I prefer IT and keeping our assets to Rondo. Upgrade at pf, backup pg, and possibly sg and this team is good to go.

 

[Chubbs]

There's just no way a starting lineup with Rudy, the short one (I can never remember his name), and Cousins can continue for much longer. I get heart palpitations thinking about rondo with those 2. I would give up Ben in that scenario. You trade potential for all pro right now, assuming he recovers from his injury normally.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

I highly doubt rondo recovers from injury ever. There are very few players his age that recover from such an injury. Saying this, I still think he'll be a great player and even be an all safe for another year but other than that not likely.

Would like to draft a PG instead like an Exum or Smart and trade less assets for a post defender.

 

[Gilles]

I highly doubt rondo recovers from injury ever. There are very few players his age that recover from such an injury. Saying this, I still think he'll be a great player and even be an all safe for another year but other than that not likely. Would like to draft a PG instead like an Exum or Smart and trade less assets for a post defender.

First, what assets would that be? Second, no one trades you their competent post defender. These guys get $10 million just for being average and giving 10+10 to their team (see Dampier Erick, injury-prone Chandler of earlier years) or being just above incompetent (see, Adonal Foyle, Kris Humphries). You can get good ones only by throwing ridiculous amount of money (see, Chandler and Knicks or the offer of 1 year at $20 million by Marc Cuban). The only cost-effective way is drafting one, having a lot of patience and hope, and even then you often either cut him after a couple of years (our own Hassan Whiteside) or have sitting on the bench for $10 million a season like JaVale McGee.

 

[Tetsujin]

I highly doubt rondo recovers from injury ever. There are very few players his age that recover from such an injury. Saying this, I still think he'll be a great player and even be an all safe for another year but other than that not likely.

Would like to draft a PG instead like an Exum or Smart and trade less assets for a post defender.

Rondo is a whopping 27 years old, pretty much just entering the prime of his career, so he's not exactly an eldery fellow out there (which is precisely why many of us want him on the roster along with two other young-ish stars). We are long past the days of C-Webb's knee surgery essentially pioneering the modern method of micro-fracture operations. Plus, Rondo tore his ACL, an injury that is no longer the injury of doom it may have been thirty years ago. There is even some thought that ACL injuries and subsequent reconstruction can result in better burst and explosiveness (not that I'd recommend blowing out your knee). Adrian Peterson came up just short of setting an NFL rushing record but eight months after shredding his ACL. D-Rose tore his ACL and (after taking his sweet time) came back looking alright before processing to shred his other knee.

So yeah... Not exactly anticipating late-career back-with-GS Webber here.

 

[Kingsfan23]

D-Rose tore his ACL and (after taking his sweet time) came back looking alright before processing to shred his other knee.

So yeah... Not exactly anticipating late-career back-with-GS Webber here.

D rose didn't look too good

 

[randymoss1881]

D rose didn't look too good

Rose looked good athletically he just needed to get his game together. He was still had elite quickness, speed, and explosion.

I highly doubt rondo recovers from injury ever. There are very few players his age that recover from such an injury. Saying this, I still think he'll be a great player and even be an all safe for another year but other than that not likely.

Would like to draft a PG instead like an Exum or Smart and trade less assets for a post defender.

Rondo only had a partial tear so it wasn't a complete year like other players.

 

[bajaden]

I highly doubt rondo recovers from injury ever. There are very few players his age that recover from such an injury. Saying this, I still think he'll be a great player and even be an all safe for another year but other than that not likely.

Would like to draft a PG instead like an Exum or Smart and trade less assets for a post defender.

Exum, yes, Smart, no. I don't think Smart is a PG, but more of a combo guard leaning hard to SG.

 

[rainmaker]

I highly doubt rondo recovers from injury ever.

What makes you say this? Yes Rose injured his other knee, but they're also two completely different players. Rondo's game doesn't rely on playing above the rim nearly as much. He's much more similar to Rubio(obviously a better player than Ricky) who tore his ACL yet looks fine.

-Jamal Crawford tore his ACL.
-Baron Davis tore his before entering the league and was plenty athletic for years. Yes he was younger when it happened, but the medical field is superior today in dealing with ACL tears.
-Bonzi Wells tore his ACL in his 3rd year. Came back fine.
-Lowry, another PG with a game more similar to Rondo's tore his ACL. Obviously now playing some of his best ball ever.
-Shumpert is slowly playing better but his actual movement looks fine. Tore his ACL two years ago.

There's others too, both in the NBA and other sports. Curious as to why you highly doubt Rondo would recover.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

What makes you say this? Yes Rose injured his other knee, but they're also two completely different players. Rondo's game doesn't rely on playing above the rim nearly as much. He's much more similar to Rubio(obviously a better player than Ricky) who tore his ACL yet looks fine.

-Jamal Crawford tore his ACL.
-Baron Davis tore his before entering the league and was plenty athletic for years. Yes he was younger when it happened, but the medical field is superior today in dealing with ACL tears.
-Bonzi Wells tore his ACL in his 3rd year. Came back fine.
-Lowry, another PG with a game more similar to Rondo's tore his ACL. Obviously now playing some of his best ball ever.
-Shumpert is slowly playing better but his actual movement looks fine. Tore his ACL two years ago.

There's others too, both in the NBA and other sports. Curious as to why you highly doubt Rondo would recover.

None of those players ever played the same again.
Plus, you factor in Rondo's age and it's really close to the end for him. Plus, he's a gritty point guard who is all over the floor: rebounding, scoring, assisting, stealing....he's not going to last much longer. Just my opinion. I could be completely wrong but science says....

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Exum, yes, Smart, no. I don't think Smart is a PG, but more of a combo guard leaning hard to SG.

Perfect, we could use both.

 

[kingwin]

Perfect, we could use both.

both of them cant shoot from outside tho....im intrigued by zach levine from ucla now too..they say hes russell westbrook with a jump shot, but he is a guard from seattle so he may just end up like every other guard from seattle- best used as a sixth man(jason terry, jamal crawford, IT, nate robinson)

 

[Uncia03]

Levine isn't at all a PG.
No-way, no-how.

Right now he projects more like a Ben McLemore.
He definitely has hops and he's been shooting the ball well.
His handles look to be a bit better than Ben's, but probably on par or a little bit worse than Kevin Martin's.

 

[Uncia03]

Perfect, we could use both.

There is no way that you'd take Smart over a defensive big like Cauley-Stein or Vonleh.
If you've got the 5th pick in the draft and Parker/Wiggins/Embiid/Exum are all gone, then instead of drafting Smart you try to trade down.
You draft Cauley-Stein or Vonleh while picking up another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder or something.

We need two things to balance the roster. A defensive, facilitating, non-shoot-happy PG and a defensive big. Smart isn't either one of those things. This doesn't mean that he won't be a good player, but he doesn't give us what we really need and his talent isn't going to be so vast that we desparately lose out if we trade down to pick up a defensive big instead.

 

[Tetsujin]

None of those players ever played the same again.
Plus, you factor in Rondo's age and it's really close to the end for him. Plus, he's a gritty point guard who is all over the floor: rebounding, scoring, assisting, stealing....he's not going to last much longer. Just my opinion. I could be completely wrong but science says....

Rondo's barely 28 which means he's probably got another good 7 or 8 years left in his system.

And saying that none of those players played the same is a blatantly ridiculous statement. Baron Davis tore his ACL in COLLEGE and went on to have a very good NBA career. David West tore his ACL his last year in New Orleans and has recovered to be the inside presence on the Pacers. Jamal Crawford blew his ACL out IN 2001 and thus far appears to have put together one heck of an NBA career. Bonzi Wells was perhaps the best player on our team years after he shredded his knee in Portland.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

If the kings got the #1 pick, who would you guys draft. Me? I'd take Wiggins no thought into it. I'd make him a SG
Trade Ben Mac and IT and Rudy Gay for a star post defender and we have a team.
Only problem is the PG position
But I'm hoping for Ben Mac and Rudy Gay we could get a post player and a solid pg who is up and coming that is pass first (a European guard).

 

[Uncia03]

If the kings got the #1 pick, who would you guys draft. Me? I'd take Wiggins no thought into it. I'd make him a SG
Trade Ben Mac and IT and Rudy Gay for a star post defender and we have a team.
Only problem is the PG position
But I'm hoping for Ben Mac and Rudy Gay we could get a post player and a solid pg who is up and coming that is pass first (a European guard).

At this point I don't really have an idea.
Here are my current thoughts on it.

Wiggins projects to be the best wing player but he isn't nearly as assertive as you'd like him to be.
He shows flashes of absurd athleticism along with a decent handle and stroke but he doesn't show things consistently. So you wonder if he's ever going to put it all together, and if so, how long it will take. Will it take a year, 2, 3, 4, 5? You just don't ever know.
Parker on the other hand is simply a stud right now.
And he's going to be stud next year and the year after that.

At the moment the only reason I'd even consider taking Wiggins over Parker is because Wiggins could possibly play at the SG position next to Gay, which would still allow for a defensive big next to Cousins. You couldn't do the same thing with Parker and Gay.
But even with that, I'd probably still take Parker over Wiggins and figure out what to do with Gay as a trading piece.

Embiid looks to be a great player and most certainly fills a glaring need for the Kings. The biggest issue I currently have with him is that he might not have the best hands in the world. He doesn't collect rebounds as well as he should. Now this isn't a big problem if he's next to Cousins because Cousins is a monster in that regard.
The other issue with Embiid is that he's only been playing basketball for a limited time, so it will probably take more time to get him acclimated

Exum would be the only other choice, as he's a PG who can defend, is athletic and can also switch to the SG for spot minutes if needed, which makes him really versatile. But if he was the guy you want, and you had the #1 pick, then you'd really just need to make a trade to trade down.

Randle just doesn't help the team. If you had the 5th pick and Wiggins/Parker/Embiid/Exum were all off the table, then you might want to trade down to get Cauley-Stein/Vonleh as well as an additional 1st rounder or something.

So just from what I've seen thus far it would be a toss-up between Parker and Embiid if I had to chose for the Sacramento Kings. Parker because he's just a stud, but Gay is a top-tier SF so it makes it harder to pick Parker. Embiid on the other hand fills a hole we have very little chance of filling otherwise. I think his hands might be something that prevent him from being truly elite and it might take him longer to get adjusted compared to Parker, but the combination of Cousins/Embiid/Gay + a veteran PG would be devastatingly effective.

So yeah...there you have it. Of course the college season is far from over, and things change as players continue to play. But after watching the games I've watched thus far, this is where I am at.

 

[bajaden]

At this point I don't really have an idea.
Here are my current thoughts on it.

Wiggins projects to be the best wing player but he isn't nearly as assertive as you'd like him to be.
He shows flashes of absurd athleticism along with a decent handle and stroke but he doesn't show things consistently. So you wonder if he's ever going to put it all together, and if so, how long it will take. Will it take a year, 2, 3, 4, 5? You just don't ever know.
Parker on the other hand is simply a stud right now.
And he's going to be stud next year and the year after that.

At the moment the only reason I'd even consider taking Wiggins over Parker is because Wiggins could possibly play at the SG position next to Gay, which would still allow for a defensive big next to Cousins. You couldn't do the same thing with Parker and Gay.
But even with that, I'd probably still take Parker over Wiggins and figure out what to do with Gay as a trading piece.

Embiid looks to be a great player and most certainly fills a glaring need for the Kings. The biggest issue I currently have with him is that he might not have the best hands in the world. He doesn't collect rebounds as well as he should. Now this isn't a big problem if he's next to Cousins because Cousins is a monster in that regard.
The other issue with Embiid is that he's only been playing basketball for a limited time, so it will probably take more time to get him acclimated

Exum would be the only other choice, as he's a PG who can defend, is athletic and can also switch to the SG for spot minutes if needed, which makes him really versatile. But if he was the guy you want, and you had the #1 pick, then you'd really just need to make a trade to trade down.

Randle just doesn't help the team. If you had the 5th pick and Wiggins/Parker/Embiid/Exum were all off the table, then you might want to trade down to get Cauley-Stein/Vonleh as well as an additional 1st rounder or something.

So just from what I've seen thus far it would be a toss-up between Parker and Embiid if I had to chose for the Sacramento Kings. Parker because he's just a stud, but Gay is a top-tier SF so it makes it harder to pick Parker. Embiid on the other hand fills a hole we have very little chance of filling otherwise. I think his hands might be something that prevent him from being truly elite and it might take him longer to get adjusted compared to Parker, but the combination of Cousins/Embiid/Gay + a veteran PG would be devastatingly effective.

So yeah...there you have it. Of course the college season is far from over, and things change as players continue to play. But after watching the games I've watched thus far, this is where I am at.

I'm Bajaden, and I approve of this post!

 

[Gilles]

Every prospect has holes. You look for traits that look like they translate, and maybe even single play or two that feel like NBA moves. College season provide very small sample size. Parker started season hot, but if you take first 3 games out he shot only 30% from three. Take a look back at Harrison Barnes. He just didn't have enough space in college. So far Wiggins is much more efficient than Barnes: TS% .578 vs .520 (just a better finisher inside .527 vs .470 on 2-pointers, twice the FTrate - ratio of FG/FT). And Wiggins spends most of the time against the zone due to a lack of shooters on Kansas roster. There's still a lot of games to play, and more importantly much tougher part of schedule. We still have half a year to over-analyze incomplete information available to us.