Trade: Christie for Mobley (MERGED)

[VF21]

Three words : That is disgusting.

After his last year playoff performance, its probably the last player I would have traded. I hope he'll enjoy Florida. It's a sad day for us.

The problem is that his performance THIS YEAR has been steadily declining. His plantar fasciitis still flares up, he has a nagging shoulder injury and - as I mentioned above - he sat out for the critical part of the Hornets game because of a muscle bruise he got from having his leg run over while he was on the floor scrambling for a loose ball.

The 2005 Doug Christie just isn't the same as the guy we've watched for the last 4 1/2 years.

I have a lot of admiration for Doug Christie - his energy, his dedication, his heart, etc. but I think Petrie did what he felt was in the best interests of the team.

 

[Stojakovic]

the thing that people forget is that Nene does nto rebound or block shots either. Hence not much of a help if those are our weaknesses. But hey, if you want to fish for a rumor, here ya go :


Denver trades:
SF Carmelo Anthony(21.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 36.7 minutes)
PF Nikoloz Tskitishvili(1.9 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.7 minutes)
PF Nene Hilario(9.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.7 apg in 25.9 minutes)
Denver receives:
SF Peja Stojakovic(20.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 39.5 minutes)
PF Darius Songaila(5.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.4 ppg, -5.2 rpg, and -2.5 apg.

Sacramento trades:
SF Peja Stojakovic(20.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 39.5 minutes)
PF Darius Songaila(5.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.0 minutes)
Sacramento receives:
SF Carmelo Anthony(21.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 36.7 minutes)
PF Nikoloz Tskitishvili(1.9 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.7 minutes)
PF Nene Hilario(9.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.7 apg in 25.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +6.4 ppg, +5.2 rpg, and +2.5 apg.


TRADE ACCEPTED

That looks very, very good to me.

 

[Heuge]

The problem is that his performance THIS YEAR has been steadily declining. His plantar fasciitis still flares up, he has a nagging shoulder injury and - as I mentioned above - he sat out for the critical part of the Hornets game because of a muscle bruise he got from having his leg run over while he was on the floor scrambling for a loose ball.

The 2005 Doug Christie just isn't the same as the guy we've watched for the last 4 1/2 years.

I have a lot of admiration for Doug Christie - his energy, his dedication, his heart, etc. but I think Petrie did what he felt was in the best interests of the team.

I know, I know, it is a bussiness. But this organization should show more loyalty to the players that got them where they are at know. Vlade gone, Doug gone. Man, Im pissed right now.

 

[SacKings384]

O hell no... The LAST guy I want on the Kings is Carmelo Anthony...

 

[Lamar_Odom]

Dream on, Brick. LOL.

 

[VF21]

Bricklayer - We can't do it.

Songaila was hard enough for people to pronounce. I cannot even begin to imagine the problems with Tskitishvilli. Sorry, no deal.

 

[Gary]

Do you have the ability to be rational when it comes to Webber?

By the way, which one of those is the mega number?

Well it seems that we are are a bit irrational when it comes to specific players.. When the trade was mentioned you seemed a bit peeved, and actually lost some faith in Petrie? commmmmmmmeeeee on! You are a Kings Homer like I am but lets not talk harsh when it concerns Petrie!!! I wasn't even bashing webber, I just think we could do much better.

 

[bibbyweb]

true, true.. Couldn't agree with you more, but *sigh* I have been wanting a Webber trade for a while, so a guy can hope

Not that I am a Webber HATER or anything, but I think the guy has seen better days

Are you sure that what you wish is really good for the team? I don't think so. There aren't many players in the league who could replace Webber.

 

[eflat]

Trading away a vital piece of our team, one of our leaders, during a championship run cannot be a good thing.

Yeah, I'm not too sure about the championship run thing at this point. One other thing that the Maloofs/Petrie have got to be concerned about is putting an entertaining, winning, playoff-quality team (but not necessarily champion-quality) on the floor for as long as possible, especially since the new arena will be an issue for a while to come...and even for a while after it is up and built.

 

[Gary]

Are you sure that what you wish is really good for the team? I don't think so. There aren't many players in the league who could replace Webber.

Well in the other thread I did mention about 6 or 7 in the western conference alone that would be better for this team. But yeh it would be hard to get equal value for Webb. I guess that is why Petrie went out and got more than value for Christie. I think it was a good trade and HOPE the shots Mobley get are going to come from the player that takes the most ill advised shots on the team.. Which is...... *ding ding ding* Yep WEBBER!

 

[Gary]

Hasn't anyone noticed when we bring MO into the game that we see running like we saw a few years back that made this team what it was? I totally forgot what cherry picking was until we started bringing some YOUNGER legs that can run into the rotation. Believe me, what Mobley lacks in defense (if anything) he will MORE than make up for in offense.

 

[nAj jAn™]

Damn.... *SHOCK*

I'm now officially a Magic bandwagon.... j/k

Totally shocked...I personally don't like Mobley, especially when he was a Rockets..
He's a two man offense, with Francis...Now that he's in the Kings, I'm not sure but he's a ballhog also...I've watched many Rockets game by the way, and to me, I don't know if he fits in the Kings system...

Just shocking...How come nobody heard this trade rumor before...

Will this be another Barry-Cleaves deal but with more talent involve?

I will miss DC, I even changed my avatar...

They should trade Pedja to Grant Hill...

* shock and reads more thread *

 

[AriesMar27]

hey but we got a shooter... 2 if you count house..... why, in highschool he once scored 4 touchdowns in a single game.... i mean 61 points in a college basketball game.....

 

[VF21]

I know, I know, it is a bussiness. But this organization should show more loyalty to the players that got them where they are at know. Vlade gone, Doug gone. Man, Im pissed right now.

At what point, however, does loyalty to the players stop and loyalty to the fans, the present and the future of the franchise start? Doesn't Petrie owe it to everyone to do what he feels is in the best interests of the team, the owners, and the fans even if it may not be in the best interests of the individual player? You know, a greater good kind of thing. Petrie is under a lot of pressure to do something to right the ship that is, in the mind of many, floundering. They demanded action - they got it. Now we have to see if, once again, Petrie has made the team better even though it hurts a lot right now.

 

[love_them_kings]

You know, I just don't get it. Why would we trade Christie for a player we'll only have 6 months? I posted about this before, based on my own gut feeling that Mobley will not exercise his option, and I just heard on ESPN that the reason the Magic traded him was because he had already told him he would not exercise his option because he wants more money. So, my honest question is, what good does it do to have a player for 6 months? Is GP thinking we're going to make a championship run with him? Or is he really thinking a short term fix and hoping to clear salary cap room for the future?

 

[Bricklayer]

You know, I just don't get it. Why would we trade Christie for a player we'll only have 6 months? I posted about this before, based on my own gut feeling that Mobley will not exercise his option, and I just heard on ESPN that the reason the Magic traded him was because he had already told him he would not exercise his option because he wants more money. So, my honest question is, what good does it do to have a player for 6 months? Is GP thinking we're going to make a championship run with him? Or is he really thinking a short term fix and hoping to clear salary cap room for the future?

Even if he exercises his option, we could still very well be the team he resigns with. We can go as high as we want to resign him -- few other teams will have cap room, and I'm not sure Mobley is really the type of player teams will want to waste a bunch of free cap space on.

 

[Gary]

You know, I just don't get it. Why would we trade Christie for a player we'll only have 6 months? I posted about this before, based on my own gut feeling that Mobley will not exercise his option, and I just heard on ESPN that the reason the Magic traded him was because he had already told him he would not exercise his option because he wants more money. So, my honest question is, what good does it do to have a player for 6 months? Is GP thinking we're going to make a championship run with him? Or is he really thinking a short term fix and hoping to clear salary cap room for the future?

Was thinking about this myself.. But to tell you the truth our team was stagnating and it was obvious.. We needed to inject some new blood bottom line. Lets look at this like a 6 month interview. If it works out than offer the guy some money. If not than we have the space that Christie left (of course still being over the cap).

 

[VF21]

Well it seems that we are are a bit irrational when it comes to specific players.. When the trade was mentioned you seemed a bit peeved, and actually lost some faith in Petrie? commmmmmmmeeeee on! You are a Kings Homer like I am but lets not talk harsh when it concerns Petrie!!! I wasn't even bashing webber, I just think we could do much better.

Oh yeah. Had I gone with my first reaction, there would be a Petrie effegy hanging outside my door - snow and all. But after the initial shock, I realized that I still trust Geoff Petrie to do the right things for this team.

It hurts. Vlade was my favorite King. He left, and I put his jerseys away. I picked a new favorite because I have always admired Doug. Now he's left and I have to put his jersey away.

You know what really makes me mad? I don't have any more blasted jerseys!!!!

Now, brace yourself... I'm going to actually agree with one of your statements - at least in part.

I think it was a good trade and HOPE the shots Mobley get are going to come from the player that takes the most ill advised shots on the team.. Which is...... *ding ding ding* Yep WEBBER!

I, too, hope that Mobley takes some of those shots Webber has been forced to take because of the GPAM™ syndrome. That would be a win-win situation.

And you still didn't tell me which number is the mega-number.

And it's not nice to call a sweet little old lady an ***.

 

[love_them_kings]

Even if he exercises his option, we could still very well be the team he resigns with. We Can go as high as we want to resign him -- few other teams will ahve cap room, and I'm not sure Mobley is really the type of player teams will want to waste a bunch of cap space on.

Makes sense. But do we have the salary cap room?? I don't know all the numbers, but it always seems like we're so weighted down with existing contracts that we don't have much leeway. And, as we've found out, the Maloofs aren't as fond of paying the luxury tax as they used to be.

 

[Geoff]

Well in the other thread I did mention about 6 or 7 in the western conference alone that would be better for this team. But yeh it would be hard to get equal value for Webb. I guess that is why Petrie went out and got more than value for Christie. I think it was a good trade and HOPE the shots Mobley get are going to come from the player that takes the most ill advised shots on the team.. Which is...... *ding ding ding* Yep WEBBER!

Let me guess. I'm sure the list starts with Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki is in there somewhere, I'll take a wild gander at saying Amare Stoudamire...hmmm...what other PFs are out there in the West who could be a good replacement for CWebb? KMart doesn't count. And as much of a genius as GP is, there's no way you will see any of those guys being traded for CWebb for more reasons than one.

If Webb takes the most ill-advised shots, then pray tell, why is he the team's leading scorer? Eh?

This Webber-bashing has gotten old really quick, and I for one am sick and tired of it. I'm no Webber fan, i'm a Kings fan. I also don't like to see people being scapegoated and that's what is happening. The road to a championship in Sacramento begins and ends with Chris Webber for the foreseeable future, for better or for worse. The day he is traded or leaves the Kings, that window is pretty much shut until they find someone else of his caliber (or lack thereof

 

[Bricklayer]

Makes sense. But do we have the salary cap room?? I don't know all the numbers, but it always seems like we're so weighted down with existing contracts that we don't have much leeway.

Well, you can always sign your own players back for as much as you want to. We could offer Cutino a max contract if we felt like it.

The Kings left the salary cap behind long ago, so we can't sign guys off the open market. But we can always resign our own guys. Just a question of how high the Maloofs are willing o go.

 

[love_them_kings]

Well, you can always sign your own players back for as much as you want to. We could offer Cutino a max contract if we felt like it.

The Kings left the salary cap behind long ago, so we can't sign guys off the open market. But we can always resign our own guys. Just a question of how high the Maloofs are willing o go.

Yeah, I remembered we were way over the cap right after I posted & I changed it. I'm a little slow this time of night. So, it's just about the cash & the luxury tax penalty. Seems like the Maloofs haven't been as spend happy as they were in the past, so I guess we'd have to see how far they're willing to go. But, a six month trial might be a good way to figure out how he works with the team & how much he is worth to us.

 

[AleksandarN]

What I think a big part of trade is that CM has a player option which I think he will use. This frees up some money to sign someone on MLE. ALso with him being younger and more athletic it means we could be more of a mobile team. I like Doug alot but lets be honest here he was getting older and losing his elit status on defense but the one things we are going to miss from him is he set tempo on defense with his hussle.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

This is a real dumb trade. I can't understand it at all. If you are paying for season tickets to see a Championship then I'd want a refund if I were you. Christie, even if he had dropped off a bit was still one of the best defenders in the league on a team without defense. You could sum up the Charlotte loss to defense and then they go and trade their best defender? What the ****? We are already have two undersized shooting guards, why does the team need another? And to add further issues, Christie played our PG so much and was the best passer on the team. Christie always did the things that needed to be done when the rest of the team was mentally out of it. Creating for teammates, driving to the basket, defense, hustle, whatever it was. Jackson and Christie were parts 1 and 2 of the team's heart.

swissh open your eyes man
what are the two undersized shooting guards? kmart is 6'7, i don't know what the heigh of mo evans is but i'm sure he isn't undersized.
as for mobley, i suppose you never seen him play.
dwayne wade is a great example of a undersized shooting guard. wade is masquerading as a point. wade is i believe the same height as mobley. height doesn't matter too much if you got game. elton brand is a undersized power forward but does that mean he sucks? point made. DC meant alot to the kings but you gotta move the pieces while you can before they lose value. i see this trade helping the kings more than hurting it in the long run. another good move petrie.

 

[AleksandarN]

Who will pass those laser bean to Peja now? I predict Peja's number will drop at least 4-6 points a game.

Hey as slong as we win more games then I do not care what Pedja would average. This trade is about improving the team not ones statistics

 

[NME]

Right, like I'm going to read all 26 pages.

 

[Bricklayer]

Right, like I'm going to read all 26 pages.

You show up once a month the LEAST you can do is read all of the pages.

Jeesh.. dilettantes...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

What a stupid move by PETRIE!!


Christie for some guy named Mobley?

you obviously don't watch any other team outside of the kings....

 

[Big Cuz 15]

This is one of the worst trades ever!!!

Its like trading Ben Wallace for Troy Murphy!

a really old 34 yr old wallace for a 29 yr old murphy

 

[Vlad]

Oh yeah. Had I gone with my first reaction, there would be a Petrie effegy hanging outside my door - snow and all. But after the initial shock, I realized that I still trust Geoff Petrie to do the right things for this team.

It hurts. Vlade was my favorite King. He left, and I put his jerseys away. I picked a new favorite because I have always admired Doug. Now he's left and I have to put his jersey away.

Vlade still is my favorite king

My initial reaction was sadness, and I thought about how much I will miss Christie for all that he brings to the Kings not only as a player and leader, but as a person. My second reaction was "oh no, we will be a second coming of the 2003 Mavs." This trade will make the Kings a bit worse defensively and better offensively. We're losing in departments we should be gaining in: rebounding, toughness, D, and chemistry.

BUT, with that said, Christie IS turning 35 this year. He is a step slower and contemplating retirement. If Mobley meshes well with the Kings, Petrie will again look brilliant. And let's say the Mobley experiment doesn't work out. At least then, the Kings will have many more bargaining chips on the table (at least until he opts out )

I'll give Cuttino a chance. But I will always miss Doug. The core of the Kings lauded offense always lied in the unselfishness of its players, but now, Vlade AND Doug, our two most selfless guys, are gone.

Christie was my favorite pointguard

I'll also join the "lament" wagon and say that I too will miss Christie's no-look laser beams to Peja.

Thank you, Doug.