Trade: Christie for Mobley (MERGED)

[Lamar_Odom]

I heard a small rumor on another board that said the Kings have interest in Denver's Nene. It seems like some people on this board think that GP is planning another move (I tend to agree), so just wondering if anyone else has heard anything about this.

Any team would be interested in Nene. The Kings can have Nene but the Nuggets want a shooter. It might have to involve Peja for Nene and change. I doubt it's going to happen. Besides, nobody wants to help team in their conference. Lastly, now that Cooper is in charge, I doubt Nene is going anywhere unless it's a clear advantage for them.

 

[The Freak]

ARE U KIDDING ME MOBLEY IS SOO TIGHT , HE HAS GREAT D AND GREAT O , remember what he did agianst Kobe last year , he was like glue , yes !

BUT DUDE!!! HE Also hadd TURNOVERS and stuf!

*n we don't know how he plays with 0uR teaMM!

 

[Lamar_Odom]

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Why wouldn't he want to exercise it? The Kings are one of the better teams in the game, they've become names always mentioned as a better than average chance to win a championship, they have a strong fan base, a great GM, great owners, who WOULDN'T want to stay in Sacramento unless they were screwed up in the head *coughMassenbergClarkcough*?

Be optimistic, for crying out loud.

The good ol' American greed... That one great reason he won't pick up his option.

 

[Geoff]

I heard a small rumor on another board that said the Kings have interest in Denver's Nene. It seems like some people on this board think that GP is planning another move (I tend to agree), so just wondering if anyone else has heard anything about this.

How would this play out? Our PF/C position is pretty stocked, there's no way that they will trade CWebb straight up for Nene, and while it is debatable whether or not a Songaila-Nene trade would be a good statistic-business deal for us, it would not go over well with the fans. To me, that would be like a fantasy league trade, done just for the hell of it.

 

[The Freak]

ehh.

 

[WalMatt23]

How would this play out? Our PF/C position is pretty stocked, there's no way that they will trade CWebb straight up for Nene, and while it is debatable whether or not a Songaila-Nene trade would be a good statistic-business deal for us, it would not go over well with the fans. To me, that would be like a fantasy league trade, done just for the hell of it.

LoL- I'm not sure how this would play out. Obviously a Webb for Nene trade wouldn't work- nene is only getting a little over $2 million. I was just wondering if anyone else had heard that we were interested (ie. legitimate trade discussions).

 

[Packt]

hopefully Cat will help us on our quest for the championship.

That just sounds so wierd. The Cat as a King...? I'm still a bit shocked and saddened by this news but at the same time I'm excited. Rebound, (there will be plenty of them for him to grab) and kick it to Peja every now and then and we'll be alright.

As a Kings fan, I'm glad we won't be playing against Doug much. Can you imagine Doug guarding Bibby? That is going to be one weird game.

 

[LjuboDaMan]

he's payed to play basketball. its his choice whether or not he wants to play aggresively. if he wants to puss out, and play half-***, then so be it. its a damn shame and a damn waste of talent, but winners are the guys that leave it all on the floor. i'll leave it at that.

yes .... ok

I don't think we will see more agressive Peja
(His earnings are less than those of Webb and Mike; maybe he feels like it's not his team)
Why leave everything on the floor, when maybe those other two dont but still get paid a lot ??? maybe he really wants out of here

And by being more agressive I dont think he should call for a ball (be the man) and force a shot ... he is not like that ...
screens, pick and rolls, moving without the ball (no Vlade, no Doug ... maybe a problem ?) we will see

 

[VF21]

I heard a small rumor on another board that said the Kings have interest in Denver's Nene. It seems like some people on this board think that GP is planning another move (I tend to agree), so just wondering if anyone else has heard anything about this.

I don't think we're going to be going after Nene. AND, quite frankly, I don't see us making another deal. We just brought two players (three, if you count Bradley) into the fold. Petrie doesn't make a lot of trades anyway. I don't see him doing anything else until he sees how the new guys pan out. (And that means the end of the year, not next week or next month.)

The big shake-up is over, IMHO. Now the team just has to regroup, teach the new kids the ropes and get back to doing what they're supposed to do - win games and get ready for the playoffs.

 

[LjuboDaMan]

and it's true when webb has the ball ... Peja doesnt run that much ... does he think hes not gonna pass him the ball ? i dont kno ...

Doug and his passing and dribbling skills ... we gonna miss that

but we should enjoy more points from the cat

 

[Padrino]

yes .... ok

I don't think we will see more agressive Peja
(His earnings are less than those of Webb and Mike; maybe he feels like it's not his team)
Why leave everything on the floor, when maybe those other two dont but still get paid a lot ??? maybe he really wants out of here

And by being more agressive I dont think he should call for a ball (be the man) and force a shot ... he is not like that ...
screens, pick and rolls, moving without the ball (no Vlade, no Doug ... maybe a problem ?) we will see

first off, nobody should have this feeling that it is or isnt "their team," webb included. ive never liked that business. its great to be a leader on the court, but when we start talking about whos team it is, things just get blown out of proportion, cuz it doesnt really matter. now, the reason i single out peja is primarily cuz i honestly believe that he is the most talented player the kings have. hands down. no contest. but sometimes i feel like he's really wasting his talent. he's a big guy, and a strong guy, and thats why he can jack up those 30 foot 3's and swish them w/o breaking a sweat. peja's problem, tho, is that he doesnt play strong. he plays like he's smaller, or like his defender is bigger than him. i dont know why that is. it just bugs me. sometimes i feel like its completely within his range of capabilities to go after a rebound, dive after a loose ball, call for the ball when he's got the hot hand, but, for whatever reason, he doesnt.

now, mike bibby, i respect the hell out of, cuz that man leaves it all on the floor. he plays ****e defense, but i know, when he walks off the floor, that he's played his heart out. after shooting as poorly as he has all season in NO last week, he calls for the ball, and shoots the 3 that ties the game and sends it into overtime. thats the mark of a winner. thats what MJ saw in him when he signed him up to team jordan. thats what kings fans see in him.

webber, i also rarely feel liek he doesnt play his heart out. he doesnt always play smart or within himself (tho he has improved in those respects this season), but he plays hard. i see a guy out there with a bum knee diving for loose balls, and i say, he wants to win. i see a guy out there taking shots he believes he can make, ill advised or not. that may be detrimental to the team at times, but at least he wants the ball in key situations, cuz he can make those big shots.

peja's without a doubt the best shooter on our team. but he never seems to be the guy who steps up in those big moments to make those big shots that we all know he can make. and that kinda bothers me as a fan.

but thats my rant. im done. i promise.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

Im shocked and excited , this is gonna be a make or break trade , if Mobley plays any kind of D like he did last year then we are gonna be fine , but im worried about the passing game... but wow i just dont know what to say ...

 

[Heuge]

This is a sad, sad day for me. DC was my favorite. He will be missed.

 

[Gary]

I have a feeling Webber might be on the block next. You knew there was going to be a house cleaning to get younger and more athletic.

Mobleys shots might come from Webber which might be that next person on the chopping block. Than lets say we move to get a Nene or someone who does not take many shots, than the offense would revolve around getting the ball to a capable Miller on the block who has the option of 2 guards that can shoot, and Peja..

Lets face it. Miller, and Webber have similar type of games. Both mid range jumpers with weak inside games, and cannot create their own shots.

 

[Padrino]

webber's been on the block since last season. simple fact is it would be very difficult to move him. i just dont see him leaving the kings by trade. a team would have to give up a helluva lot to get him, and they'd be getting damaged goods. he's probably the best damaged goods in the league right now, but the fact remains that he's hampered by past injuries. he's only 31 years old (i think), but he runs and jumps like a 36 year old. he's made great strides and adjustments in modifying his game this season, but its a high-risk situation that i dont see any time falling into. we're stuck with him, and i dont necessarily think thats a bad thing. at least not for the rest of this season, possibly next.

 

[KingKong]

Absolutely shocking. What is this gonna do to on and off court chemistry? Trading away a vital piece of our team, one of our leaders, during a championship run cannot be a good thing. Doug you will be seriously missed. I have never really been too impressed with Mobley but I think that Mobley has the chance to really flourish on this team. What it comes down to is Mobely is more consistent offensively than Christie is, but we definetly lose out on defense which isn't very good to begin with. I'm torn.

 

[VF21]

I have a feeling Webber might be on the block next. You knew there was going to be a house cleaning to get younger and more athletic.

Mobleys shots might come from Webber which might be that next person on the chopping block. Than lets say we move to get a Nene or someone who does not take many shots, than the offense would revolve around getting the ball to a capable Miller on the block who has the option of 2 guards that can shoot, and Peja..

Lets face it. Miller, and Webber have similar type of games. Both mid range jumpers with weak inside games, and cannot create their own shots.

Yeah. I'm sure that's next on the agenda.

Do you also have the ability to predict lotto numbers?

 

[Gary]

true, true.. Couldn't agree with you more, but *sigh* I have been wanting a Webber trade for a while, so a guy can hope

Not that I am a Webber HATER or anything, but I think the guy has seen better days

 

[Gary]

Yeah. I'm sure that's next on the agenda.

Do you also have the ability to predict lotto numbers?

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Do you have the ability to not be an ***?

 

[LjuboDaMan]

first off, nobody should have this feeling that it is or isnt "their team," webb included. ive never liked that business. its great to be a leader on the court, but when we start talking about whos team it is, things just get blown out of proportion, cuz it doesnt really matter. now, the reason i single out peja is primarily cuz i honestly believe that he is the most talented player the kings have. hands down. no contest. but sometimes i feel like he's really wasting his talent. he's a big guy, and a strong guy, and thats why he can jack up those 30 foot 3's and swish them w/o breaking a sweat. peja's problem, tho, is that he doesnt play strong. he plays like he's smaller, or like his defender is bigger than him. i dont know why that is. it just bugs me. sometimes i feel like its completely within his range of capabilities to go after a rebound, dive after a loose ball, call for the ball when he's got the hot hand, but, for whatever reason, he doesnt.

now, mike bibby, i respect the hell out of, cuz that man leaves it all on the floor. he plays ****e defense, but i know, when he walks off the floor, that he's played his heart out. after shooting as poorly as he has all season in NO last week, he calls for the ball, and shoots the 3 that ties the game and sends it into overtime. thats the mark of a winner. thats what MJ saw in him when he signed him up to team jordan. thats what kings fans see in him.

webber, i also rarely feel liek he doesnt play his heart out. he doesnt always play smart or within himself (tho he has improved in those respects this season), but he plays hard. i see a guy out there with a bum knee diving for loose balls, and i say, he wants to win. i see a guy out there taking shots he believes he can make, ill advised or not. that may be detrimental to the team at times, but at least he wants the ball in key situations, cuz he can make those big shots.

peja's without a doubt the best shooter on our team. but he never seems to be the guy who steps up in those big moments to make those big shots that we all know he can make. and that kinda bothers me as a fan.

but thats my rant. im done. i promise.

HEHEHEH ok ...

well ... i dont know
it shouldn't be anyone's team ...

but when someone shoots like crap, and they keep shooting, and shooting ... it looks like it's that man's team

maybe they are just playing wrong ...
when ure cold ... know the limit ... stop shooting ...
when someone's hot ... get him the ball any way u can

specially now when we have 5 big scorers ... find the hot hand ... cause everyone on this team can score ... and its easier when you look for someone than to create a shot on your own

anyway ... i love them all ... we should be fine ... go kings

i like Mobley ... just get in the system of passing the ball and not doing too much than u can ... goes for all members of the sacramento kings

 

[LjuboDaMan]

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Do you have the ability to not be an ***?

ahahaha sorry

 

[love_them_kings]

Why wouldn't he want to exercise it? The Kings are one of the better teams in the game, they've become names always mentioned as a better than average chance to win a championship, they have a strong fan base, a great GM, great owners, who WOULDN'T want to stay in Sacramento unless they were screwed up in the head *coughMassenbergClarkcough*?

Be optimistic, for crying out loud.

Just because he's underpaid. Same reason BJax asked Sac not to pick up his option for the coming year. I'm not saying he wouldn't want to play for the Kings (because they are, IMHO, the best team in the NBA) I just don't think we'll want to pay him what he will ask if (when) he opts out.

 

[Bricklayer]

the thing that people forget is that Nene does nto rebound or block shots either. Hence not much of a help if those are our weaknesses. But hey, if you want to fish for a rumor, here ya go :


Denver trades:
SF Carmelo Anthony(21.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 36.7 minutes)
PF Nikoloz Tskitishvili(1.9 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.7 minutes)
PF Nene Hilario(9.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.7 apg in 25.9 minutes)
Denver receives:
SF Peja Stojakovic(20.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 39.5 minutes)
PF Darius Songaila(5.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.4 ppg, -5.2 rpg, and -2.5 apg.

Sacramento trades:
SF Peja Stojakovic(20.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 39.5 minutes)
PF Darius Songaila(5.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.0 minutes)
Sacramento receives:
SF Carmelo Anthony(21.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 36.7 minutes)
PF Nikoloz Tskitishvili(1.9 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.7 minutes)
PF Nene Hilario(9.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.7 apg in 25.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +6.4 ppg, +5.2 rpg, and +2.5 apg.


TRADE ACCEPTED

 

[VF21]

What it comes down to is Mobely is more consistent offensively than Christie is, but we definetly lose out on defense which isn't very good to begin with. I'm torn.

We discussed this a bit, KingKong. Actually we aren't losing out that much on defense. The 2003 or even 2004 Doug, yes. The 2004 Doug just hasn't been the same. He's been hampered by a string of injuries and problems, the most recent of which kept him on the bench during the final minutes of the regular game and all of the OT against the Hornets. What we're gaining is youth, and an EXCELLENT 3-point shooter which will really make it tough to stop us. Teams will not be able to bottle up Pedja by dropping coverage on our 2-guard, because that 2-guard will drop a 3 on them in a heartbeat if they do... I was upset at first, but after a lot of reflection it might end up being another great Petrie coup.

Another plus is that if Mobley doesn't work out, we can dump him at the end of the year.

A lot of people wanted a shake up, a change in the status quo. Well, they got it. Let's see how it plays out.

 

[VF21]

the thing that people forget is that Nene does nto rebound or block shots either. Hence not much of a help if those are our weaknesses. But hey, if you want to fish for a rumor, here ya go :


self.focus();

Denver trades: SF Carmelo Anthony(21.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 36.7 minutes) PF Nikoloz Tskitishvili(1.9 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.7 minutes) Nene Hilario(No games yet played in 2004/05) Denver receives: SF Peja Stojakovic(20.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 39.5 minutes) PF Darius Songaila(5.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.0 minutes) Change in team outlook: +2.8 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -0.8 apg.

Sacramento trades: SF Peja Stojakovic(20.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 39.5 minutes) PF Darius Songaila(5.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.0 minutes) Sacramento receives: SF Carmelo Anthony(21.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 36.7 minutes) PF Nikoloz Tskitishvili(1.9 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.1 apg in 7.7 minutes) Nene Hilario(No games yet played in 2004/05) Change in team outlook: -2.8 ppg, -0.7 rpg, and +0.8 apg.TRADE ACCEPTED


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I sure wish realGM would get their info updated a little more frequently. If Nene hasn't played yet, who was that I was watching the other night with "Nene" on the back of his jersey????????

 

[love_them_kings]

And who's going to give him a max contract? Who's to say that we wouldn't give him a great offer? Do you know what he's going to do next year?

sheesh.

no one knows what he'll do next year, we can only guess based on how the number work out. If he can make a lot more by opting out, odds are that he will opt out.

will we give him a great offer? maybe we will, but looking at the numbers it might be hard for us to pay him what he's worth based on the amounts of money already committed to our players under contract.

 

[gangdogu]

Three words : That is disgusting.

After his last year playoff performance, its probably the last player I would have traded. I hope he'll enjoy Florida. It's a sad day for us.

 

[VF21]

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Do you have the ability to not be an ***?

Do you have the ability to be rational when it comes to Webber?

By the way, which one of those is the mega number?

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Random thought:

Do you think we could get Kevin to shave his head to help ease the pain?

 

[Bricklayer]

I sure wish realGM would get their info updated a little more frequently. If Nene hasn't played yet, who was that I was watching the other night with "Nene" on the back of his jersey????????

yeah -- they are weird about that. I corrected it manually.

Made that up just for kicks BTW -- I think Anthony is an idiot and Nene is horribly overrated.