Trade: Christie for Mobley (MERGED)

If the crowd boos CM, I will be so ridiculously pissed off... I don't see it happening... The Kings have great fans... But talk about makin a guy feel like **** if they do...
 
thedofd said:
I think it's a bit harsh to say that Doug was "living off pure reputation," but I do think it's fair to say that calling him a "defensive stopper" was a bit of a stretch. What DC did was give attention to and effort on defense, which is something many of the Kings don't do. As for DC's actual results on defense, a bit of a mixed bag.

I really appreciated Doug's game and will miss him. Goodness knows the Kings will not be the same without him. But can they be better? It's possible.

Meaning no disrespect to Doug and what he brought to the party, the Kings played 4 on 5 on offense a lot of the time. Having a 2 guard who's more of an offense threat will open things up even more.

Look, the Kings aren't going to shut people down with their current personnel; they're not the Spurs or Pistons. That's not their style. C-Webb doesn't move well enough to match up with a lot of 4s, Mike doesn't stop penetration and Brad's not a shotblocker. So their best chance most nights is simply to outscore the other team, a la Seattle and Phoenix. Acquiring a guy who can bust loose for the occasional 25 points from the 2 guard spot may make them a more consistently formidable team.

Beyond that, whether we as Kings fans want to admit it or not, Petrie had to do something to ensure the continuity of this team as a contender with C-Webb, Jackson and DC on the wrong side of 30. The ability to trade DC for a proven shooting guard in his prime is pretty impressive, if not a bit sad for all us DC fans.
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Slowly but surely Kings are changing. Vlade gone, Doug gone. 2 most unselfish players and great teamates one can have.

Who is next ?

Doug being gone is one less reason for Pedja to stay. Do not see Kings resigning
Bobby anyways.

DC - I appreciate EVERY second of Your effort. Thanks Man !
 
The Trade was a good move

Think about it, if you want to be able to run and score like Phoenix and Seattle, the trade makes since. Plus he is 4-5 years younger then Doug. Mobley is a great clutch shooter and 3 point clutch shooter. Now with Bibby/Mobley/Peja/House we are younger and can fill it up in a hurry. Sure Doug has always played good defense, but at his age, he is starting to lose a step, he doesn't even lead the team in steals. Petrie see's how he Doug is a little slower and he really doesn't score much, so what good will a defense only type of player be that is 34-35 years old if he can't score? Doug has been great for the Kings all these years and I appreciate everything he has done for the team, like playing through injuries and giving Rick Fox an uppercut but now we are 4-5 years younger and are a real offensive threat at every position. Try to guard that!
 
I just wonder why the Magic did this deal? Do they have a player waiting to emerge at SG that was being held back by Mobley's presence on the team, or did they think he was taking too many shots from players who should otherwise be taking them (Hill, Francis, Rookie Howard, etc.)? I'd be interested to read some insight on that side of the spectrum...anyone know a Magic fans' forum?

As for the Kings, I've never really been a huge fan of Mobley's game...he's a little undersized for SG, and although he plays with toughness and heart, didn't the Kings already have that at the SG? Also, it appears to me from when I've watched him play that he's a scorer, not a shooter, so he will need a fair number of shots to be effective. I hope the other Kings are willing to share the ball to incorporate Cutino into the offense. I'm also completely unfamiliar with his passing ability. On the one hand, he's not averaging many assists, but on the other hand, Miller never averaged many assists prior to playing with the Kings, so I think Cutino's assist numbers will increase in the Kings' system.
 
This is a real dumb trade. I can't understand it at all. If you are paying for season tickets to see a Championship then I'd want a refund if I were you. Christie, even if he had dropped off a bit was still one of the best defenders in the league on a team without defense. You could sum up the Charlotte loss to defense and then they go and trade their best defender? What the ****? We are already have two undersized shooting guards, why does the team need another? And to add further issues, Christie played our PG so much and was the best passer on the team. Christie always did the things that needed to be done when the rest of the team was mentally out of it. Creating for teammates, driving to the basket, defense, hustle, whatever it was. Jackson and Christie were parts 1 and 2 of the team's heart.
 
Maybe Petrie is developing a 5 fixation? Wasn't House wearing the #5 before he came here?

Anyway, I've had a chance to cry a bit, think about the team a bit, etc. After my initial AAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa reaction, I have to admit to thinking Petrie may, once again, have done something we're gonna be talking about for a long time...

...gasp...

I know. I'm surprised at myself.

Here's my rationalization:

DC by himself (and a little slower and a little less sure this year, BTW) wasn't going to be the defense we needed anyway. He was slowing down and his offense was off. He's older and his contract was huge.

So, now he's gone and we have another GOOD shooter. He's younger, he's in his option year next year and maybe just maybe he'll flourish in the Kings system like so many others before him.

I'm still in shock but I'm trying to maintain a good attitude.

I LOVE THIS TEAM.

And by freeing up salary, I think we may have just found a way to keep Bobby and Pedja around.
 
This is wierd. I had hoped last summer that we could pull off a Christie for Mobley and JJ before Mobley was moved to Orlando. In terms of numbers, I think we'll be OK. The stats may not show it, but I've always regarded Mobley as a pretty good passer and reasonable defender. I think he'll do well in our system.

Losing Doug is tough though. Yes he's aging and losing a step in terms of defense, but the how do you measure the intangibles?
 
Kings fans are dissapointing me by talking themselves into thinking this is a good trade. You've watched this team enough so far this year to realize this addresses NONE of the needs and worsens a weak spot.

Positive Dave is not a Smart Dave, so lets not be so delusional.
 
I never liked Mobley and Francis as a duo in Houston, but I'm more than willing to give Cuttino a chance. I don't believe he was ever really put into a situation where players were expected to pass on a consistent basis. When Yao went to Houston, you could see Cuttino's struggle to learn to feed it to the big guy. I think as he gets more comfortable with the team, he'll begin to become a much better passer. Have hope, everyone.
 
My initial reaction:

SHOCKED. I was driving home and good thing I was in traffic and already had my foot on the break. :/

Second reactions:

I like the Cat, I guess. I don't really like him, but I don't dislike him. From what I've seen him play, he can handle the ball some and bring it up the court.

Doug Christie was our defense. That being said, we havn't exactly been stellar on that end of the court this year. And to be honest, as much as we all love Doug, he's lost some of his defensive prowless. I've seen him get beat this more than any other year.

In his own right, Cuttino isn't a horrible defender. A good offensive player.

P.S. Thank you Doug Christie. You will be terribly missed.

The Bad:

Everything siad above and:

How do you measure the intangibles that DC brought?
How do you measure the intenisty that DC brought every night when you talk about a team that people question their intensity?

The Good:

Everything siad above and:

I don't know how Petrie does it. Really. Did ANYONE see this coming? DC is 34 and still owed some sum of money, the Cat is 5 (?) yrs younger and gives us a lot more cap flexibility and trade bait.

How do you guard the Kings? If Bobby can come back healthy in the PO and if the rooks hold up, that is one offensively potent back court, add Peja to the mix and that's some 3pt threat.

P.S.S.

Well, what a way to get back into the Kings and NBA mix....:) :(....:?

I have the Petire interview with Grant and Mike and will post it later today.
 
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VF21 said:
Maybe Petrie is developing a 5 fixation? Wasn't House wearing the #5 before he came here?
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i'd like to believe that was the reason. ;)

as far as the trade is concerned, i dont really know what to make of it, or what to expect from it. i cant help but think that petrie didnt make this trade solely on his own. i cant help but think he was facing pressure from the maloofs to shake this team up. i really really really hate to say this, but i think the trade of doug christie could possibly be the beginning of the dismantling of this kings team. i do not think the kings will make any other moves this season, but i wouldnt be surprised if things got shaken up in the off-season, regardless of whether they bring a championship home to sacramento or not at post-season's end. i can see no other reason why geoff petrie would disrupt the team chemistry mid-season. the pressure's coming from somewhere, and i think the maloofs are getting impatient. thats my coupla cents, for whatever its worth.

awwwww geeeez, i sure am gonna miss doug's bullet passes to peja from the top of the key.
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swisshh said:
Kings fans are dissapointing me by talking themselves into thinking this is a good trade. You've watched this team enough so far this year to realize this addresses NONE of the needs and worsens a weak spot.

Positive Dave is not a Smart Dave, so lets not be so delusional.
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What needs need to be addressed? We just picked up someone that is more athletic, a good penetrator, and can score forcing the D on the other team to cover all 5 guys not just 4?

Its a different direction but we need to let time go by before we pass judgement on this. At least let the guy play a few months and see how he fits in.
 
I Just Found Out

Omg..... Im In Shock....

although it may make us better... why dc????? that guy was like... such a character... his gonna be sorely missed...
 
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I welcome CM.

Put a "what if" trade idea up on the other board, and I could not have dreamed of getting someone this good for Christie. Good job Petrie! Miss ya Christie!

The team was getting a little stale, no?
 
ReinadelosReys said:
I have the Petire interview with Grant and Mike and will post it later today.
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thanks so much reina! i'll be waiting for that!

you're the best! i don't know what we, outsiders, would ever do without you ;)

thanks
 
ReinadelosReys said:
My initial reaction:

SHOCKED. I was driving home and good thing I was in traffic and already had my foot on the break. :/

Second reactions:

I like the Cat. I don't really like him, but I don't dislike him. From what I've seen him play, he can handle the ball some and bring it up the court.

Doug Christie was our defense. That being said, we havn't exactly been stellar on that end of the court this year. And to be honest, as much as we all love Doug, he's lost some of his defensive prowless. I've seen him get beat this

In his own right, Cuttino isn't a horrible defender. A good offensive player.

P.S. Thank you Doug Christie. You will be terribly missed.

The Bad:

Everything siad above and:

How do you measure the intangibles that DC brought?
How do you measure the intenisty that DC brought every night when you talk about a team that people question their intensity?

The Good:

Everything siad above and:

I don't know how Petrie does it. Really. Did ANYONE see this coming? DC is 34 and still owed some sum of money, the Cat is 5 (?) yrs younger and gives us a lot more cap flexibility and trade bait.

How do you guard the Kings. If Bobby can come back healthy in the PO and if the rooks hold up, that is one offensively potent back court, add Peja to the mix and that's some 3pt threat.

P.S.S.

Well, what a way to get back into the Kings and NBA mix....:) :(....:?

I have the Petire interview with Grant and Mike and will post it later today.
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Reina, it is soooooo good to have you back. We missed you, girl!!
 
VF21 said:
So, now he's gone and we have another GOOD shooter. He's younger, he's in his option year next year and maybe just maybe he'll flourish in the Kings system like so many others before him.
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Where are shots for him going to come from ?

He is a shoot first and pass never kind of a player. Miller is going to shoot even less than he allready does.

Either way CM will have to fill up a big whole. 2 guys that held the team together are gone. This is not the end of changes - it is the beginning.
 
Possibly a good trade from a basketball standpoint.

But I miss Doug when he's on the bench for 5 minutes; it will be hard to enjoy watching the Kings at first.

This'll take some time to sink in...
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WELCOME BACK, REINA!!

I'm so glad you're back and you'll be giving us the interview info.

I just saw Petrie on news10. He was very somber. He said it was really tough to make the phone call, because Doug had been with the team a long time and was a big part of what got the team into the elite class.

swisshh - I, for one, am a SACRAMENTO KINGS fan. I will support the team and the decisions made by Geoff Petrie, even though I ranted and raved at first. At the least I will give Mobley and Bradley a chance before deciding it was a bad move. To do otherwise is just naive. It's not a matter of "Positive Dave" not being "Smart Dave," which is a pretty disrespectful comment IMHO since Dave died last year. It's a matter of being realistic. It's a done deal. We can whine about it or we can keep an open mind and trust that it is the right thing to do.

DC was one of my favorites. Having said that, however, I have to agree that his performance this year has deteriorated. It could be, much like the situation with Vlade, that Geoff Petrie - seeing DC every day and knowing all the details of everything that's going on - realized it was in the team's best interests to trade him while he still had value and while other teams would still offer decent players in return. Cold? Maybe. But it's realistic and... the NBA is a business.
 
I for one am pretty happy about this trade. Obviously it's a shock and sad to lose such a loyal and fantastic teammate like DC... I'm sure team chemistry will be hurt by this in the short-term and Doug will be greatly missed and never forgotten by King's fans.

However... he definitely wasn't the same Doug this year. Step or two slow on D, strange & bizarre play that made it seem like his focus was not there and we know he's been banged up and is getting up there in years.

I think Cuttino will be a good fit... and if not, he's much younger and far more marketable in one (or two -- he has an option) year when he's a FA and we want to try a sign & trade. I've seen him catch fire plenty of times and he's athletic and could very well not hurt us as much as some of you think on the defensive end. Rebounding sucks though.. we're already weak in that area.

Anyways, should be interesting to see how it all plays out. I think it's a good move in that it should help keep us competitive for that much longer. Either Cuttino pans out or we sign & trade him for someone else. Doug's value was on the decline unfortunately and we can get something better in return for Mobley in a year or two than we could for DC.

The team's seemed in kind of a funk lately. Maybe this will be the jolt they need to get some energy and motivation back.

We'll miss you Doug... best of luck in Orlando, and welcome to the Kings Cuttino.
 
VF21 said:
Maybe Petrie is developing a 5 fixation? Wasn't House wearing the #5 before he came here?

Anyway, I've had a chance to cry a bit, think about the team a bit, etc. After my initial AAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa reaction, I have to admit to thinking Petrie may, once again, have done something we're gonna be talking about for a long time...

...gasp...

I know. I'm surprised at myself.

Here's my rationalization:

DC by himself (and a little slower and a little less sure this year, BTW) wasn't going to be the defense we needed anyway. He was slowing down and his offense was off. He's older and his contract was huge.

So, now he's gone and we have another GOOD shooter. He's younger, he's in his option year next year and maybe just maybe he'll flourish in the Kings system like so many others before him.

I'm still in shock but I'm trying to maintain a good attitude.

I LOVE THIS TEAM.

And by freeing up salary, I think we may have just found a way to keep Bobby and Pedja around.
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I think you'll be suprise by his defense. Mobley is a decent defender when he is needed. I remembered seeing him ASKING to guard Kobe in last year's playoff. He did a decent job, i would say almost comparable to the Bjax of the old days.
 
Sad to see Christie go, but he was getting old. Mobleys not bad on D, hes young so he has time to improve on it.

You know Pejas ticked, Christie always set him up for a good shot.. wonder if this might cause him to go back to the "trade me" talk we heard during the summer..
 
Peja4threee said:
Think about it, if you want to be able to run and score like Phoenix and Seattle, the trade makes since. Plus he is 4-5 years younger then Doug. Mobley is a great clutch shooter and 3 point clutch shooter. Now with Bibby/Mobley/Peja/House we are younger and can fill it up in a hurry. Sure Doug has always played good defense, but at his age, he is starting to lose a step, he doesn't even lead the team in steals. Petrie see's how he Doug is a little slower and he really doesn't score much, so what good will a defense only type of player be that is 34-35 years old if he can't score? Doug has been great for the Kings all these years and I appreciate everything he has done for the team, like playing through injuries and giving Rick Fox an uppercut but now we are 4-5 years younger and are a real offensive threat at every position. Try to guard that!
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That might be but it is not important at the moment.

There are so many memmories coming to mind. God and bad.

I think tonight we should appreciate DC. Tomorow we can discusse the future.
 
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