Tiebreaker Poll Heroes/Villains Round 3 The Guardians vs. The Invaders

Who wins in a fight?

  • NoBonus and NME

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • NoBonus and Löwenherz

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • Spike and NME

    Votes: 8 44.4%
  • Spike and Löwenherz

    Votes: 4 22.2%

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .
Spike wins. Voltron is lame. And we had established that he would be operated by the other members of his team, can't change that now.

NME gets my vote partially because Low is trying to make it seem as though Dr. Fate exists in a certain reality instead of trying to matchup the characters individually. Against the spirit, I say. And individually, Dr. Fate vs. a Giant sea monster? Fate wins 127 times out of 50.

As a stand-alone character in this individual matchup, Dr. Fate has his helmet and therefore retains all his powers. Any suggestion to the the contrary is against the spirit of the voting I think. then again, its just my opinion, but its also my vote :p
 
I think this Voltron/Vader nonsense is distracting from the fact that humanity's most basic nightmare is trailing a simple wizard.

Actually, far nerdier internet groups than we have already debated a similar topic, pitting the Great Old One against Dr. Fate AND Dr. Strange

Ultimately, Cthulhu won.

http://www.electricferret.com/fights/strangefate.htm

Here are some excerpts:

"If it was a one-on-one battle, Cthulu would have it in the bag."

""Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagk fhtagn".
The Great Squiddiness will devour the two "sorcerers" within nanoseconds after his appearance."

"As much as I respect the two good Doctor's I don't believe that they would win. To absolutely be victorius they would have to destroy Cthlulhu. That they simply can't do in all honesty. If they kill his physical he'll just turn to mist and reform. They must kill his essence. They can't beat his experience. Cthulhu set up residence about a million years ago. Dr. Strange's school of magic dates back to mid human history. Dr. Fate has the power of Order true, but I don't see Order matching the power of an Elder god. So Cthulhu's magic is older and more powerful, in my estimation. Lastly, if the magical power existed to destroy Cthulhu wouldn't it have been used already. The best I see them doing is trapping him. If the Doctors win then I'll buy a snowblower and make some cash in Hell. "

"Death, destruction, madness, sounds like your average day in Los Angelas. But seriously, folks, the Docs are in big trouble. Their magic might allow them to ward off the insanity effect, but Cthulhu's just too freakin' powerful."

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"Hang on, hang on. Reality check time: Dr Strange is, essentially, human. As a human, this makes him subject to Cthulu madness, as in since he thinks like a human he will be driven insane like any other human and have his magical abilities completely stifled by the sight of Cthulu. And NO artifacts can prevent this because Cthulu madness is NOT an extra effect! Cthulu madness is something inside all of us and is a completely natural reaction to seeing Cthulu. No counterspell will work for this one because it's not a spell. And that's only the first line of offense for Cthulu. Star Spawn. He has thousands of these things. All of them ALSO cause lower-levels of Cthulu madness, possess Hulk level strength, can fly, ALSO know an ungodly deal of magic, and can rip people apart with their claws. Then you have Cthulu himself. According to the actual Call of Cthulu rulebook, Cthulu knows how to cast every single spell but better. He can match these two's spells on a one for one basis and even overpower them! Then you have the fact that Cthulu is around 900 stories tall. Therefore, vote for Cthulu."

"Kids, come on! Sure, Strange and Fate may attempmt to banish the slimly one, but the stars must be right if the big guy himself is taking down cities again. I'm sorry, there is no way in hell anything short of God Himself (and some would even debate that) can deal with High Priest Cthulhu head on. You'll really need to warm up the BS machine if he looses. I guess in all of Lovecraft's nightmares, he never envisoned the power of idiot fanboys. Oh well."

"The vote has obviouly got to go to Cthulhu. There is no way in hell a Pair of Low-Rent Magicians can defeat the most vile and powerful of the elder gods. It would be like placing 2 First Graders in a boxing match with Muhammed Ali and then blindfolding the First Graders."

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"There really isn't much of a contest, here. Fate and Strange are two massively powerful socerors . . . but Cthulhu is the same, plus more experience than a human mind can even imagine. Oh, and don't forget he's about the size of Godzilla, extremely resiliant, able to regenerate after apparent destruction, able to fold space to travel throughout and beyond the universe, [and] able to telepathically destroy minds without effort ... The stars are right, and the world belongs to Great Cthulhu once again!"

"An elder god versus mere mortals? No matter how super-powered, no human can withstand the incredible evil that is the Great Cthulhu! The darkest and eldest of the Lovecraftian Gods has no patience for the twiddlings of the temporarily sane. Cthulhu can do whatever he pleases in this match; his enemies are at the whims of his capricious nature! He may drive them insane in an instant, or crunch them like popcorn snacks, or let them live for a thousand thousand years of infinite pain and madness in the bowels of the unholy cathedral that is R'lyeh! Or maybe just ignore them - for who can pose a threat to the Great Cthulhu, unless he be another Elder God?

"Anyone who thinks that a couple of mere mortals -no matter how mystically endowed- can trounce an immortal Great Old One (TM) who's had aeons upon aeons to practice up, is the leader of a tribe of slightly smaller versions of himself, comes from outer space, and whose gelatinous form is capable of repairing all damage done to it even to the point of atomization... Anyone who thinks this is hallucinatory and should receive immediate medical attention. Especially when you consider that each of the two has, in comic book after comic book, been beaten bloody by various other mediocre characters in order to preserve suspense. They've no chance at all when the Spawn From Beyond the Stars shows up."

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NME gets my vote partially because Low is trying to make it seem as though Dr. Fate exists in a certain reality instead of trying to matchup the characters individually. Against the spirit, I say. And individually, Dr. Fate vs. a Giant sea monster? Fate wins 127 times out of 50.

As a stand-alone character in this individual matchup, Dr. Fate has his helmet and therefore retains all his powers. Any suggestion to the the contrary is against the spirit of the voting I think. then again, its just my opinion, but its also my vote :p

This is the second time you've voted against me soley on suspect logic centered around Dr. Fate's friggin' helmet.

And, "I'm trying to make it seem Dr Fate exists in a certain reality?" ... I don't even know what that means. In this reality, right here, Dr. Fate head on with Cthulhu, Dr. Fate Loses. Cthulhu's not some "giant sea monster" he's a God with magical and psychic powers that far exceed Fate, who also happens to be a terrifying Godzilla/Galactus type being that brings about insanity on sight.
 
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Spike wins. Voltron is lame. And we had established that he would be operated by the other members of his team, can't change that now.
Ahh the sweet taste of sour grapes. FYI for everyone else, I eliminated Venom_7 in round 2 with Voltron 9 to 8. I am making some sour wine from your sour grapes right now.
 
Says the guy whose heroes won against my omnipotent baddies because they're "cool". :p

Exactly. :p

But Cthulu is more than cool, he's a god. Humanity's most basic nightmare. He was practicing sorcery while Dr. Strange's ancestors still had tails. He's not just some mere villain, he IS evil. This isn't about some silly tights wearing fruit flying around on a board, or robbing banks, or playing for power -- this is a being destined to destroy mankind through madness and chaos. He/it would view Strange as a bug.

Now if you were facing off against the Green Goblin or somebody pathetic, then yeah. But you're confronting one of the most evil beings ever dreamt up man! :p
 
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NME gets my vote partially because Low is trying to make it seem as though Dr. Fate exists in a certain reality instead of trying to matchup the characters individually. ... Dr. Fate has his helmet and therefore retains all his powers. Any suggestion to the the contrary is against the spirit of the voting I think. then again, its just my opinion, but its also my vote

So, after rereading my initial post several times, I've gathered you think because I mentioned that Extant seperated Dr. Fate from his helmet and then defeated Fate, that I was reasoning Cthulhu was facing a helmet-less Fate?

Um ... no.

Equation: Extant > Fate. Cthulhu > Extant. Ergo, Cthulhu > Fate.

Or in an actual formula: if E > F and C > E, then C > F
 
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My team was cooler, more powerful, and the dynamic was painfully explained in-depth. All opinions of course, but I suspect I lost because someone is ridiculously afraid of Dracula :p.

But its not really about that. I *lost* and this is the result. So sour grapes or not, Spike got my vote.
 
At least your team didn't get pushed into an overtime mano-a-tentáculo bout because a voter thought your Lord of Terror would look silly wearing a helmet.
 
My team was cooler, more powerful, and the dynamic was painfully explained in-depth. All opinions of course, but I suspect I lost because someone is ridiculously afraid of Dracula :p.

But its not really about that. I *lost* and this is the result. So sour grapes or not, Spike got my vote.
I think what is hard about these drafts is we all believe, more or less, that our team is the best, coolest, most powerful team. I may not have had a strong write up for Dream Force Voltron, but I did draft my team strategically and with the intention of having it turn out how it did (except Martian Manhunter, I did not expect him to be on the board at my pick , so I had to take him). And how does a hero team do a write up? There is no way to strategically save the earth without knowing the threat at hand and that changes with each match up. Villain teams can create whatever strategy they want with awesome scenarios, but how can a hero write up counter it? Hard part about Heroes, too, is that there are very few omnipotent beings and thousands of omnipotent bad guys... the heroes win by defying the odds, not following them; thus in a heroes vs. Villains match, the heroes are almost destined to lose because defying odds is not something most voters understand or incorporate in their voting scheme.

Maybe next time, instead of hero team vs villain team draft, we do a heroes and villains draft where each team has three heroes and three villains... seems more balanced.

Sorry about waxing philisophical on ya'll...
 
On this same note, Voltron is down 7 votes... insurmountable odds, no one can come back from that, right? If Voltron does beat the odds, it would be a classic comic sceanrio, hero comes back, beats the odds and defeats evil. Do I think it will happen? YES! No time to give up now! GO VOLTRON! Beat the odds! Defeat Vader like only a true comic book hero could!
 
On this same note, Voltron is down 7 votes... insurmountable odds, no one can come back from that, right? If Voltron does beat the odds, it would be a classic comic sceanrio, hero comes back, beats the odds and defeats evil. Do I think it will happen? YES! No time to give up now! GO VOLTRON! Beat the odds! Defeat Vader like only a true comic book hero could!

Voltron must not have pulled out the sword yet. By intergalactic law, he's required to wait until the last two minutes of the show to do so. ;)
 
I think what is hard about these drafts is we all believe, more or less, that our team is the best, coolest, most powerful team. I may not have had a strong write up for Dream Force Voltron, but I did draft my team strategically and with the intention of having it turn out how it did (except Martian Manhunter, I did not expect him to be on the board at my pick , so I had to take him). And how does a hero team do a write up? There is no way to strategically save the earth without knowing the threat at hand and that changes with each match up. Villain teams can create whatever strategy they want with awesome scenarios, but how can a hero write up counter it? Hard part about Heroes, too, is that there are very few omnipotent beings and thousands of omnipotent bad guys... the heroes win by defying the odds, not following them; thus in a heroes vs. Villains match, the heroes are almost destined to lose because defying odds is not something most voters understand or incorporate in their voting scheme.

Maybe next time, instead of hero team vs villain team draft, we do a heroes and villains draft where each team has three heroes and three villains... seems more balanced.

Sorry about waxing philisophical on ya'll...

Actually, I think it's turned out rather evenly. We've had a lot of favorites win easily, but also a fair amount of upsets and still look as though we're going to end up with 2 Heroes and 2 Villains in the Final Four with the potential Hero vs Villain match-up in the finals.
 
Voltron must not have pulled out the sword yet. By intergalactic law, he's required to wait until the last two minutes of the show to do so. ;)

Right, except there isn't a robeast stupidly standing by waiting for Voltron to unsheath his sword.

[Robeast] "Wait, what's Voltron doing? Hmm, that looks like a sword. It's pretty cool. I wonder what he's going to do with it...I'll just chill for a bit. Oh, my. Is that for me?"

*slice*[/Robeast]
 
Spike,

I cannot say I am happy to lose, but it was a great matchup and I am glad to have lost to Spike's team and not some terrible team with the giant egg-sucker Galactus or something; also, losing in a tiebreaker makes me feel like I was at least competitive.

Spike, you have an awesome team; one of my overall top two favorite villain teams (other than mine). I am glad to see you make it to the final four.

Well fought battle, congrats, you deserve the win. Good luck in the final four.
 
Lowenherz,

I am sad to see you eliminated. I thought your evil team really brought something special to the table; a really cool dark/monster quality. Your team is definitely one of the teams that goes in my brain as a "Hall of Fame" team. I hope you have better luck in the next draft.


NME,

Congrats! Good luck in the final four.
 
Thank you. You were a worthy adversary, and I hope our hard-fought victory bears fruit in the next round.
 
Ultimate Evil Upset, Team's Future In Doubt

The titanic overtime bout between Ken "Dr. Fate" Nelson and Cthulhu De R'lyeh, ultimately deciding the third round series match-up of the heroes fourth seed "Round Table" and the villains top seed "Evil That Shall Not Be Named", had been over for hours. But Evil Captain Diablo O'Terror remained alone on the battlefield, head in claws, seemingly stunned at the result.

An exit two rounds short of the finals was not what O'Terror had foreseen when the top ranked squad of the Villain Conference made the biggest splash of the off-season, signing humanity's most basic nightmare as a free agent, as a dominating inside presence and, more specifically, for just such game-deciding occassions.

"So this is what you mortals call pain." O'Terror told reporters, still drapped in his blood-soaked battle armor. "This is not something to which I plan on becoming accustomed."

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*Team Captian/Defensive Player of the Year, Diablo "Lord" O'Terror speaking with a post-game reporter*

Hard to say how four gods and a time traveler were unable to see this coming, nor why the team chose to give De R'yleh the nod with the season on the line and a supernatural defensive specialist in Nelson on the Round Table sideline.

"Kooth (De R'yleh) is a future hall of famer. He consumes souls in his sleep ... literally " O'Terror boomed. "He always demands double, even triple teams. We recruited him because, one-on-one, he can take out any single player in the league. That was our team philosophy all season and we were not going to abandon it now."

That line of logic proved false as the overtime period dragged on and chants of "Kooooth" from the demonic hometown crowd slowly died down, while it became obvious De R'yleh was being outmatched by the hexes of Nelson. And almost immediately, questions began to arise as to whether the game had finally passed by The Great Old One.

"Ridiculous!" O'Terror roared in a way that shook mens' souls. "This isn't about Kooth. We lost this one as a team."

The blame for the loss indeed does not fall soley on the tenticles of the veteran De R'yleh. Vital cogs The Shrike and Chernabog "Black God" O'Deathnevil disappeared from the post-game locker room almost as quickly as from the game itself.

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*Starters The Shrike and Chernabog "Black God" O'Deathnevil leaving the locker room without talking to reporters. Shrike and O'Deathnevil combined to lead the league in lives/souls stolen, but managed just one in the deciding match.*

Important role players all season, the pair seemingly lost the aggressiveness that elevated them both from obscurity to household names and appeared tentative against the team-oriented superpowers of the Round Table, apparently waiting for the game to come to them; an event which ultimately never happened.

Despite the lackluster performance by both Shrike and O'Deathnevil, O'Terror refused to call out any of his teammates.

However, when asked if he regretted a mid-game altercation involving himself and Nelson's helmet, earning a flagrent foul and setting-up the overtime, O'Terror merely roar "BURN MORTAL!" and abruptly ended the interview (and the reporter).

With the loss and the season over, the entire future status of the team is now in doubt. De R'yleh had been quietly considering retirement well before the Ancient Evil was exposed by Nelson, and had talked of wanting simply to end his career on top with a title and the broken souls of a vanquished humanity. However, even coming short of his goal, De R'yleh could still choose to retire, leaving The Evil That Shall Not Be Named with a gaping void in the middle.

And if De R'yleh does return, that could mean the team is forced to part ways with all-star phantom villainous Alma Wade, who had been vocal (telepathically) during the season regarding her displeasure over her reduced role to make room for the insanity inducing De R'yleh.


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*All-Star/league leader in Assists-to-Madness ratio, Alma Wade, speechless after the upset loss, had sought a trade during the season*

Wade's discontent and trade demands in the early portion of the season seemingly waned just prior to the all-star break, with the understanding that De R'yleh would be a single year of terror addition. Wade retracted her psychic trade demands and her expressionless face showed as much joy in tearing apart mens' sanity along side De R'yleh as it ever had since her rookie season.

But almost immediately following the overtime loss, scores of reporters began asking, as though the idea had been implanted in their heads, if Wade felt she should have taken the field in the final do-or-die face-off and whether her trade demands would resurface if De R'yleh did not now retire.

Wade refused to comment.
 
Aww, that's too bad. If those crazy kids can't hold their friendship together with all the evil they have in common, what chance do the rest of us have? :(
 
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