Thoughts on DaQuan Jeffries?

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#33
We'll see, but I'm not putting my hopes on a two-way player with hardly any playing time suddenly becoming a "quality starter" over one off season.
I think if you take the time frame away, then the possibility of him becoming a starter sometime in the future looks promising, especially is he becomes consistent with his 3 pt shot. He's the kind of player every coach loves. He can play and defend multiple positions. He doesn't make mistakes, and he knows and accepts his role. So personally, I'd rather the discussion be about his potential rather than how soon he'll reach it.
 
#34
he’s not a starter
In terms of univeral talent maybe not, but role players being starters or not usually depends on need. That's how you find players like Bazemore nailing down the contracts they do. For a small ball team needing that boost of athletic ability and power he is heading towards someone that you put where you need him. Whoever is helping in his development has the right idea and he needs to keep listening. Shooting for the middle is sometimes better than shooting for the moon.
 
#39
I meant more across the entire NBA as a pool of possible starters. I do like Jeffries, Kings don't have many players that have that "tank" build.
You're right, but again, situation matters for players like him. And also, one has to admit there aren't a lot of players built like him. That's where the PJ Tucker comp is a good one not just in terms of style and size but situation as well. He floundered in and out of the NBA picture until he found the right situation for him. In Toronto he was kind of starting to stutter again but then goes to Houston and his career is solid again. All you can say though is for where the league is continuing to trend if Jeffries keeps working on spot shooting and his skills the league is very favorable for his type physical makeup. If this re-start says anything it's that the league is trending even more towards small ball. Even if only to make up for the talent difference with the teams up top.
 
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#40
Not currently but of course 22-year-olds normally tend to improve with time.
should we assume every young player that puts together a couple of good games is a start? The kid looks good let’s hope he could keep it up and can be a good 6-7th man on the team, if he’s starting we’re a bottom 5 team.

In terms of univeral talent maybe not, but role players being starters or not usually depends on need. That's how you find players like Bazemore nailing down the contracts they do. For a small ball team needing that boost of athletic ability and power he is heading towards someone that you put where you need him. Whoever is helping in his development has the right idea and he needs to keep listening. Shooting for the middle is sometimes better than shooting for the moon.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#41
should we assume every young player that puts together a couple of good games is a start? The kid looks good let’s hope he could keep it up and can be a good 6-7th man on the team, if he’s starting we’re a bottom 5 team.
He was also very very good in G-League action for whatever that's worth
 
#44
I think if you take the time frame away, then the possibility of him becoming a starter sometime in the future looks promising, especially is he becomes consistent with his 3 pt shot. He's the kind of player every coach loves. He can play and defend multiple positions. He doesn't make mistakes, and he knows and accepts his role. So personally, I'd rather the discussion be about his potential rather than how soon he'll reach it.
Well you can talk potential all you want, and I'm open to the idea that he may one day be a starter though I think that itself is a remote possibility just with how the league works - it's not just a function of your talent but also opportunity; the league is filled with talent and you're saying that a current G league player is going to be one of the top 150 players in the NBA (generally speaking to be a starter). Keep in mind that while he may develop, other guys are developing too, and you have draft class after draft class of very very talented guys coming in every year.

To top that off, the poster specifically said 1) quality starter (I take this to mean he would be at least better than one third of other starters) and 2) as soon as next season. That's just not something I would bet my house on.
 

VF21

#KingsFansForever
Staff member
#45
I'm feeling more and more confident that Jeffries can be a quality starter for us - as soon as... next season. But Barnes is also a quality starter for us (although not all-star material). The only way they can both be quality starters on the same team is for Jeffries to be the small forward and Barnes to be the power forward. (Or use more flexible titles like "wing" and "forward.") Their ability to capably defend 3-4 positions makes them a great combination. I also like Justin James a lot. He overlaps with Jeffries a bit, but with some experience, I think he can also become a valuable contributor at both ends of the floor. And he can capably defend the 1-3 positions. A lot to like.
I'm late to the party on this, but I share your optimism. I've been really impressed with what Jeffries brings to the table and, as my dad always said, "it doesn't cost any more to dream in technicolor." :)

At some point, maybe the Great God Naismith will decide we Kings fans have suffered enough and he'll smile on us with a plethora of quality players.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#46
should we assume every young player that puts together a couple of good games is a start? The kid looks good let’s hope he could keep it up and can be a good 6-7th man on the team, if he’s starting we’re a bottom 5 team.
When you say every young player, your putting him into a group where you can generalize, use averages, etc. But were talking about an individual who has shown the ability to stand out in three games in a row against top NBA talent. One can assume many things. One can assume he's going to become a star, or one can assume that at best, he'll be the 7th or 8th man off the bench. I tend to agree with those that say fit is just as important as a players talent, and Tucker is a prime example of that.

It's also true that with many fans, and perhaps some organizations, where a player is drafted affects the perception of that players upside. I mean, an undrafted player couldn't possibly become a starter on an NBA team, could he? For heaven sake's, it's rare for a 2nd rd pick to break into a starting lineup, right?

Let me throw some names at you, all off of just one team. Duncan Robinson, Derrick Jones Jr., and Kendrick Nunn. All three players undrafted and all three have started for the Miami Heat, which I think we can agree is a good basketball team. In all, the Heat have 7 young players on their roster that were undrafted and one 2nd rd pick in KZ Okpala.

The trick of course, is that all those players fit the style that Pat Riley wants the team to play. I agree that this isn't the norm around the league, but it does show that if a player has the type of talent that fits into the teams style of play, that it's possible to build a competitive team out of lower draft picks and even some undrafted players. A common trait among'st these type of players is that they're hungry, and willing to work their butts off. They know nothing is going to be handed to them until they earn it. Doesn't mean they'll all make it, but you know they've let it all out on the floor.

None of this is to infer that Jeffries will eventually be a starter for us. I simply wonder why you feel the need to throw water on some of the enthusiasm surrounding Jeffries. Do you really think that we need a reminder of how bad the last 13 years have been? Don't you think it's nice to see a ray of sunshine every once in a while? Something to feel positive about? What's the harm in thinking that the Kings may have finally discovered a diamond in the rough? Or should our goal be to remain as miserable as possible until someone hands us a championship ring?
 
#47
"Talent" doesn't really define the level of impact a role player can have. It's far more about how good they can be at certain aspects and how well the fit in with your star players. For us, we have most of the offensive creation covered; it's going to be Fox/Buddy/Bogi/Barnes/Bjelica as the main shot takers/creators. To enhance their game, you want players like Richaun Holmes (Excellent defender, works his butt off, super efficient offensively, has gravity as a roll man, doesn't need the ball to make an impact) who make their teammates better by being on the floor.

Yeah it's 3 games, but DQJ looks like he has the skill-set to be a super versatile defender at the 3 or 4 and stretch the floor on offense. If he focuses hard on those things, he certainly has the potential to be a starter with how our core currently is shaped. The Kings for most of the 13 year drought have avoided building an actual roster that compliments each other. Finally, with guys like Baze, Holmes, Bjelica, DQJ, we might be seeing some real complimentary talents that make our stars better.
 

VF21

#KingsFansForever
Staff member
#48
When you say every young player, your putting him into a group where you can generalize, use averages, etc. But were talking about an individual who has shown the ability to stand out in three games in a row against top NBA talent. One can assume many things. One can assume he's going to become a star, or one can assume that at best, he'll be the 7th or 8th man off the bench. I tend to agree with those that say fit is just as important as a players talent, and Tucker is a prime example of that.

It's also true that with many fans, and perhaps some organizations, where a player is drafted affects the perception of that players upside. I mean, an undrafted player couldn't possibly become a starter on an NBA team, could he? For heaven sake's, it's rare for a 2nd rd pick to break into a starting lineup, right?

Let me throw some names at you, all off of just one team. Duncan Robinson, Derrick Jones Jr., and Kendrick Nunn. All three players undrafted and all three have started for the Miami Heat, which I think we can agree is a good basketball team. In all, the Heat have 7 young players on their roster that were undrafted and one 2nd rd pick in KZ Okpala.

The trick of course, is that all those players fit the style that Pat Riley wants the team to play. I agree that this isn't the norm around the league, but it does show that if a player has the type of talent that fits into the teams style of play, that it's possible to build a competitive team out of lower draft picks and even some undrafted players. A common trait among'st these type of players is that they're hungry, and willing to work their butts off. They know nothing is going to be handed to them until they earn it. Doesn't mean they'll all make it, but you know they've let it all out on the floor.

None of this is to infer that Jeffries will eventually be a starter for us. I simply wonder why you feel the need to throw water on some of the enthusiasm surrounding Jeffries. Do you really think that we need a reminder of how bad the last 13 years have been? Don't you think it's nice to see a ray of sunshine every once in a while? Something to feel positive about? What's the harm in thinking that the Kings may have finally discovered a diamond in the rough? Or should our goal be to remain as miserable as possible until someone hands us a championship ring?
Brad Miller comes to mind. ;)
 
#49
When you say every young player, your putting him into a group where you can generalize, use averages, etc. But were talking about an individual who has shown the ability to stand out in three games in a row against top NBA talent. One can assume many things. One can assume he's going to become a star, or one can assume that at best, he'll be the 7th or 8th man off the bench. I tend to agree with those that say fit is just as important as a players talent, and Tucker is a prime example of that.

It's also true that with many fans, and perhaps some organizations, where a player is drafted affects the perception of that players upside. I mean, an undrafted player couldn't possibly become a starter on an NBA team, could he? For heaven sake's, it's rare for a 2nd rd pick to break into a starting lineup, right?

Let me throw some names at you, all off of just one team. Duncan Robinson, Derrick Jones Jr., and Kendrick Nunn. All three players undrafted and all three have started for the Miami Heat, which I think we can agree is a good basketball team. In all, the Heat have 7 young players on their roster that were undrafted and one 2nd rd pick in KZ Okpala.

The trick of course, is that all those players fit the style that Pat Riley wants the team to play. I agree that this isn't the norm around the league, but it does show that if a player has the type of talent that fits into the teams style of play, that it's possible to build a competitive team out of lower draft picks and even some undrafted players. A common trait among'st these type of players is that they're hungry, and willing to work their butts off. They know nothing is going to be handed to them until they earn it. Doesn't mean they'll all make it, but you know they've let it all out on the floor.

None of this is to infer that Jeffries will eventually be a starter for us. I simply wonder why you feel the need to throw water on some of the enthusiasm surrounding Jeffries. Do you really think that we need a reminder of how bad the last 13 years have been? Don't you think it's nice to see a ray of sunshine every once in a while? Something to feel positive about? What's the harm in thinking that the Kings may have finally discovered a diamond in the rough? Or should our goal be to remain as miserable as possible until someone hands us a championship ring?
I agree with everything you said including the part about Riley and the heat organization, they ain’t walking through that door.

Either way I like Jeffries and hope he’s good enough to stay in the rotation and this isn’t a flash in the pan. We desperately need more wing players like him so if he does hit than getting him the way we did is a major plus.
 
#50
Guys like this becoming role players can be huge. Getting these players before their big contract, rather than overpaying after their best seasons. As much as I love Bazemore, if he commands anything other than a bargain salary, it's a him or Bogi situation.
 
#51
Guys like this becoming role players can be huge. Getting these players before their big contract, rather than overpaying after their best seasons. As much as I love Bazemore, if he commands anything other than a bargain salary, it's a him or Bogi situation.
Totally agree with all of this. With Fox up for an extension soon, a decision on whether to extend Bogi, then Bagley will be a year from now, cheap role players are super important. Hope DaQuan sticks