The Unofficial Official start Jason Thompson Thread

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Hello fellow Kings fans.

I am a big supporter of JT and think he should be getting the start. He's an athletic PF who has a decent jumper and hustles on D and for boards. You have to love the energy from him.


Landry is a black hole on offense and a huge liability on defense. He's small and shouldn't be part of the Kings long term plans unless its to resign him for a reasonable deal as a 6th man.



Anyone else feel that Jason should be the starter??


LET'S GO JT!
 
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I've been preachin it since the summer.

JT>>>>Flandry


Apparently Westphal still wants to start the little one though. I guess he isnt down with having the lead at halftime.
 
Completely agree! He had a chance last night to impress and took full advantage. I've wanted him to start for a while, but I hope at the least Westphal uses that same lineup on tuesday. For some reason coach didn't go back to the starting 5 in the 4th.

I can't believe some of the comments people were making earlier this season about JT. I've thought he could turn into a very solid starting pf in this league, but needed to game to slow down mentally for him. He's showing much more patience this year.

His scoring won't be there every night, but he helps in every other facet of the game more than Landry. Probably our best rebounder at the moment, especially fundamentally. Well, either he or Dally. But much better than Landry. Much better passer. Much better defender. Quicker feet on defense. Better defensive rotations. Blocks more shots. The flow of the offense generally looks better with him at the 4, as Landry kills ball movement.

We had some poster last week claiming we should run a high post offense through Landry, and that JT sucks at passing. Sounds like a pretty stupid statement now. I think everyone clearly saw the difference in the two last night, as our ball movement in the 1st half was probably the best of the entire season.

JT is much more versatile than Landry. I prefer having versatile players in the starting lineup, and bring the specialists off the bench. JT contributes when not scoring. Landry doesn't. I would much prefer Lndry coming off the bench, and looking to score and crash the offensive boards in 20-25 mins per just like he did in Houston. The activity in the paint from JT and Dally last night in the 1st half was great. Deflections, boards, block/altered shots, great help defense. Won't see that with a Dally/Landry frontline.
 
Yes! I think that JT should definitely start out of all the options we have, especially since Landry has proven to be a very effective 6th man, and a problem starter. While JT may not have been consistent, I think that's at least partially PW's fault for not giving him consistent minutes and jerking him around between positions, hurting his confidence. If he gets consistent minutes at the PF position, I am sure he can be a solid contributor.

But somehow I have a feeling that's not going to happen...
 
Im pretty sure Jason will be starting next game. Westphal said he liked JT as a starter during the post game comments, So I would assume that if the coach likes something, he will do it.
 
Im pretty sure Jason will be starting next game. Westphal said he liked JT as a starter during the post game comments, So I would assume that if the coach likes something, he will do it.


I thought he said he liked Carl as the starter?

In any case, yeah, if Jason can sustain, which has always been a problem for him, I would be up for that. When we went to the defensive lineup, I thoguht we might need Carl as that second weapon. But its hard to overstate how stagnant we get with that, and we lose so much in all other areas. i was suggesting we start Boogie next to Daly in that lineup to get the size, and keep a post scorer in the game t complement Reke. But now maybe its Jason. I don't want to be a Westphal hopping from one bandwagon to the next, but I asnolutely do want us to use and exploit our huge size advantage, and if the giant frontcourt can kcik butt and take names on the glass and defense, and if Jason can play within himself offensively, I'm game. Can't do much worse, and really when you get down to it, if you list the players who work best with Reke I would say its been Daly, Donte and Jason, and then Cisco and maybe Head on the guard line. The other guys, Beno, Landry, Cousins, OMri always feel like they are either taking turns with Reke or actively fighting him. With chemistry such an issue, why not put the guys oout there who like playing together and bring the probelm children in off the bench as a giant pile of no defense.
 
Completely agree! He had a chance last night to impress and took full advantage. I've wanted him to start for a while, but I hope at the least Westphal uses that same lineup on tuesday. For some reason coach didn't go back to the starting 5 in the 4th.

I can't believe some of the comments people were making earlier this season about JT. I've thought he could turn into a very solid starting pf in this league, but needed to game to slow down mentally for him. He's showing much more patience this year.

His scoring won't be there every night, but he helps in every other facet of the game more than Landry. Probably our best rebounder at the moment, especially fundamentally. Well, either he or Dally. But much better than Landry. Much better passer. Much better defender. Quicker feet on defense. Better defensive rotations. Blocks more shots. The flow of the offense generally looks better with him at the 4, as Landry kills ball movement.

We had some poster last week claiming we should run a high post offense through Landry, and that JT sucks at passing. Sounds like a pretty stupid statement now. I think everyone clearly saw the difference in the two last night, as our ball movement in the 1st half was probably the best of the entire season.

JT is much more versatile than Landry. I prefer having versatile players in the starting lineup, and bring the specialists off the bench. JT contributes when not scoring. Landry doesn't. I would much prefer Lndry coming off the bench, and looking to score and crash the offensive boards in 20-25 mins per just like he did in Houston. The activity in the paint from JT and Dally last night in the 1st half was great. Deflections, boards, block/altered shots, great help defense. Won't see that with a Dally/Landry frontline.

Earlier in the season JT just wasn't hitting his shots. Yesterday's game didn't showcase whether he can now finish around the basket better, but what I did see was better patience and also a one dribble, power hop move used to get closer to the rim. Those were good solid moves, protected the ball and got good position inside to finish. His energy and hustle have never been questioned.

If he can go out, provide energy, rebound and play off Reke while not making dumb decisions he'll be a perfect fit. Sort of like a bigger better Udonis Haslem
 
Definitely. I'm tired of the one year rental players and second/third tier "vets" starting over and getting more minutes than players who are supposed to be part of the future. Since they don't have any quality vets to start anyways, starting the young core and giving them as many minutes as possible makes the most sense. They aren't winning anything this year anyways so make these young guys, Evans, Cousins, Greene, Casspi, Thompson, and Whiteside priority number one as far as playing time goes. .

Trial by fire for these young cats is the best way to see what you've got and if they're really going to be able to be part of the Kings' future going forward. I can understand starting Beno, Head, or even Garcia at PG because they don't have anyone else to play the position right now. The starting Dalembert over Cousins, Landry over JT, Jackson over Green or Casspi, etc. needs to stop, though.

If they were winning by starting those guys over the core players, then I could see it. But the fact that they've lost 10 of 11 this way shows that the "bench the young guys" experiment is a total failure. The youngins couldn’t possibly do any worse than the “vets” have.

Not to mention, JT, Casspi, and Greene can all be pretty exciting to watch at times. So why not play them as much as possible so we could at least have some more entertaining games?

Dalembert with the exception of one game has been a black hole on offense and Landry surely has more turnovers this season than he does assists. STOP starting these guys! It’s ugly basketball and they’re not winning anyways.
 
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Dalembert with the exception of one game has been a black hole on offense and Landry surely has more turnovers this season than he does assists. STOP starting these guys! It’s ugly basketball and they’re not winning anyways.

The rest is fine if we indeed have given up on the season already (I doubt the Kings front office has however), but if you can't see the incredible value of what Dalembert has been doing for us, you are squarely on the wrong side of the basketball evaluation divide from virtually every championship coach there has ever been. Dalembert might be the only guy on the whole team so far playing his positon the way the centers on the top teams play it, whether those centers be Perkins or Howard, or Chandler, or Duncan, or Bynum, or Okafor, or whoever. The guy who plays goalie is an essential part of any great team. We finally found one.
 
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The rest is fine if we indeed have given up on the season already

If I’d given up on the season, I’d say keep doing what they’re doing. What I’m giving up on is Dalembert/Landry starting. It clearly isn’t translating to any wins. Starting Cousins and JT instead will help their progression and that translates to helping the team, eventually.

if you can't see the incredible value of what Dalembert has been doing for us

I can see his value and have no problem with Cousins and him splitting minutes, which is what they've been doing. I just think Cousins should get the start.

Dalembert might be the only guy on the whole team so far playing his positon the way the centers on the top teams play it

That may be true, but since The Kings are about as far from being a top team as you can get, that hardly matters. Dalembert would fit into a team like The Celtics just fine because he wouldn’t have to score in their system. The Kings can’t afford to be starting a center who isn’t an offensive threat, though.

whether those centers be Perkins or Howard, or Chandler, or Duncan, or Bynum, or Okafor, or whoever. The guy who plays goalie is an essential part of any great team. We finally found one.

If we signed him to a 3 or 5 year deal, I’d see your point. We all pretty much know he’s a one year rental, though. The only way he stays in Sacramento is if he takes less money and why would he do that? The Maloofs aren't going to give him the type of contract he's going to want or can get elsewhere. No reason to have a one year rental taking minutes way from your #5 pick.
 
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If we signed him to a 3 or 5 year deal, I’d see your point. We all pretty much know he’s a one year rental, though. The only way he stays in Sacramento is if he takes less money and why would he do that? The Maloofs aren't going to give him the type of contract he's going to want or can get elsewhere. No reason to have a one year rental taking minutes way from your #5 pick.

I actually don't know that at all. We have apparently been after Daly for some time, finally got him, and he's playing well. There was a widespred perception that we might keep one fo the two expiring bigs (Landry/Daly), and off of early returns, Daly would seem to be the clear winner.
 
I actually don't know that at all. We have apparently been after Daly for some time, finally got him, and he's playing well. There was a widespred perception that we might keep one fo the two expiring bigs (Landry/Daly), and off of early returns, Daly would seem to be the clear winner.

If keeping him meant paying him 8-10 million a year, would you still want to keep him? If they could sign him for 4-5 million a year I'd say great but I have a feeling he's going to command more than that and I'm not sure he's worth more than that.
 
You know what? If I were to pick a guy who was the soul of the team, I would go with JT. I remember he even tried to be a leader in the off season. He is the oldest after all (of the youth).

I would certainly start him over Landry. He proved that he and Dalembert wouldn't be slumps offensively together so I can't hold that against him starting either.

But hell yeah JT is my favorite Kings player now. Suck it. Too bad his brother is a d-league scrub
 
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we do need to exploit our size up front. JT would be the logical choice so he can grab boards and start the break. we do well when we get fast breaks. the defense does not get set and clog the middle against reke.
 
If keeping him meant paying him 8-10 million a year, would you still want to keep him? If they could sign him for 4-5 million a year I'd say great but I have a feeling he's going to command more than that and I'm not sure he's worth more than that.

We have to see what the new CBA looks like but $8-$10mil a year is not really overpaying for that style player under the current market. They are rare and valuable when you want to win. This says something about our franchise, but there is a real chance that trotting out there tonight is the single best shoblocking/rebounding center in the 25 year history of the Sacramento Kings. 25 years. That's over 1/3 the history of the franchise, or the league for that matter. You of course want to get them as cheap as possible, but throughout our history the option to paying $$ for one was not having one at all. And the defense is going to be just as important as the offense for us developing going forward. Indeed the Daly/Donte/Reke trio has a cahcne to be truly elite defensively with all that size and length for their positions. There's no doubt in my ind Daly, as the anchor in there, is as valuable as a 15ppg scorer to us. Consider Landry is a 14ppg scorer.
 
We have to see what the new CBA looks like but $8-$10mil a year is not really overpaying for that style player under the current market. They are rare and valuable when you want to win. This says something about our franchise, but there is a real chance that trotting out there tonight is the single best shoblocking/rebounding center in the 25 year history of the Sacramento Kings. 25 years. That's over 1/3 the history of the franchise, or the league for that matter. You of course want to get them as cheap as possible, but throughout our history the option to paying $$ for one was not having one at all. And the defense is going to be just as important as the offense for us developing going forward. Indeed the Daly/Donte/Reke trio has a cahcne to be truly elite defensively with all that size and length for their positions. There's no doubt in my ind Daly, as the anchor in there, is as valuable as a 15ppg scorer to us. Consider Landry is a 14ppg scorer.

Agree with almost all of it. In particular, we have to wait for the new CBA to see how much we need to shell out to retain his services, but retain them, we must.

The only quibble I would have is to the duration of his contract. Too early to speculate, but this shall be more relevant, since DC is the future for us at that position. Daly can be the defensive captain and mentor for him, but over time, has to make way for DC. So, the length and size of the contract become issues there.

Plus, I know that Princeton offense is not very popular in these parts, since we couldn't climb the final hill with that, and were considered soft even at our peak. However, every time I see Reke drive, I see the paint full of opposing bigs, who are not scared of leaving their man and focusing on Reke instead. A center who could offensively punish it, shall be a huge help to Reke too. I am not suggesting he always play away from the basket. But the threat of the jumper should be enough, to allow a little spacing for Reke (or even Donte/Omri when they drive).
 
I'm on board with JT starting. He gets his value up, plus he produces better starting. I wouldn't be surprised to see Carl back in the starting unit though, since Coach Westphal has mentioned he likes Carl in the starting unit.
 
If keeping him meant paying him 8-10 million a year, would you still want to keep him? If they could sign him for 4-5 million a year I'd say great but I have a feeling he's going to command more than that and I'm not sure he's worth more than that.

If it requires paying him 10 mil a year, then I'd probably let him walk. Not sure at 8 mil. He does bring something we need to the game, and its not something that grows on trees. However, we do have Whiteside waiting in the wings, and if his potential (theres that word again) materializes, then we would have less need for Dalembert.

Also, I hate to bring this up again, but with the new CBA, salaries may be lower, making it easier to resign someone like Dalembert. I agree with Bricky though that if one of the two of Landry or Dalembert is going to be resigned, its more than likely Dalembert.
 
I thought JT was a better fit next to Dalembert from the start. But I was willing to see the the Dalembert/Landry pairing worked. I don't think it would be fair to call it total failure, or to blame all the problems the Kings are having on having those two paired together. So at this point, the real question isn't whether its a bad pairing as much as would a Thompson/Dalembert pairing be a better one. We have around 11 games to judge from with Dalembert/Landry and only one game to judge Thompson/Dalembert. One game does not a season make, but its all we have at the moment. Just looking at it on the surface, one would say that Landry's biggest contribution is his offense, and when you have a starting five thats already struggling on offense, it might not be wise to remove one of your best offensive parts. And that does make sense.

But then how do you explain that for the first time all year the Kings had their best half of basketball and led at halftime. Granted, it could just be an abberation. A one time deal. But don't you think its worth trying again just to find out. Chemistry is a strange thing. Petrie once said about chemistry, I don't know how you aquire it, and I don't know what causes you to lose it, but I know when we have it. So maybe its possible that Evans just feels more comfortable with JT on the floor than Landry. Maybe it in a strange way takes pressure off of Evans. He knows he needs to feed Landry when he's on the floor, but with JT, he can freelance more. Be more creative. Perhaps he even thinks that JT has his back better than Landry.

Here's what we do know. That in 439 minutes on the floor, Landry has 12 assists. In half those minutes, or 220 minutes, Thompson has 14 assists. In roughly 30 minutes a game Landry is averaging 5.5 rebounds a game. In roughly half those minutes or 15.4 MPG, JT is averaging 4.6 rebounds a game. We also know that JT is a better all around defender than Landry and simply matches up better with most of the PF's in the league. So it all comes down to scoring. JT has never proven that he can score more than Landry. But things don't remain static. Players work on their games and improve. So I think we should give JT a try and see what happens. You know sometimes its not always about how well you score the ball. Sometimes just a different prescence with a different style opens up other things for other players. I'd like to find out..
 
If it requires paying him 10 mil a year, then I'd probably let him walk. Not sure at 8 mil. He does bring something we need to the game, and its not something that grows on trees. However, we do have Whiteside waiting in the wings, and if his potential (theres that word again) materializes, then we would have less need for Dalembert.

Also, I hate to bring this up again, but with the new CBA, salaries may be lower, making it easier to resign someone like Dalembert. I agree with Bricky though that if one of the two of Landry or Dalembert is going to be resigned, its more than likely Dalembert.

Also makes it easier for a more "attractive" franchise to make an offer...
 
I'm on board, and have been on board. JT actually cuts to the hoop and moves well without the ball, especially compared to Mandry and most of the team. Put Landry in his normal role which is 6th man.
 
I thought he said he liked Carl as the starter?

In any case, yeah, if Jason can sustain, which has always been a problem for him, I would be up for that. When we went to the defensive lineup, I thoguht we might need Carl as that second weapon. But its hard to overstate how stagnant we get with that, and we lose so much in all other areas. i was suggesting we start Boogie next to Daly in that lineup to get the size, and keep a post scorer in the game t complement Reke. But now maybe its Jason. I don't want to be a Westphal hopping from one bandwagon to the next, but I asnolutely do want us to use and exploit our huge size advantage, and if the giant frontcourt can kcik butt and take names on the glass and defense, and if Jason can play within himself offensively, I'm game. Can't do much worse, and really when you get down to it, if you list the players who work best with Reke I would say its been Daly, Donte and Jason, and then Cisco and maybe Head on the guard line. The other guys, Beno, Landry, Cousins, OMri always feel like they are either taking turns with Reke or actively fighting him. With chemistry such an issue, why not put the guys oout there who like playing together and bring the probelm children in off the bench as a giant pile of no defense.

I may have misquoted him a bit, here is what he said:
“I thought that JT looked real comfortable in that starting role. I thought he gave us a lot of energy and played very well at both ends."

Westphal is extremely reactionary. If a guy is playing well, he will play them. Thats about the only consistent thing about Westphal.

He treats his favorites the same (Dalembert, Evans, Cisco, Landry) and then jerks around all the other players depending on how they are doing. The combination of Landry being late to shootaround + his back being semi injured + his poor play + JT's strong game = Jt starting. Maybe :)

I would personally like to see the Cousins/Dally combination start. It just seems foolish leaving both your scoring bigs on the bench. Even when JT is scoring 16 or so points like he did last game, he isnt forcing the defense to do anything. Its almost like he scores by accident. And Im not saying that to trash on JT, I love his hustle and energy, but his best offensive move ( much like Dalembert ) is putbacks. A big problem JT has always had is that he puts the ball on the floor when a teammate sets him up rather than going straight up. Now I dont remember that happening at all last game, but I also dont remember the Kings putting him in that position. Like it has already been said, If JT can be consistent he can be a really productive player ... I still dont love him starting next to Dalmbert though. That being said .. I rather have him in the starting lineup than Landry at this point.

If this team (Evans/Head/Greene/Thompson/Dalmbert) continues to struggle on offense, we should give Beno a look as a starter again. He hasnt been great off the bench AND lets not forget how well he and Evans worked off each other for parts of last season.

If Dalemberts starts to slump, a Cousins/Thompson lineup is an interesting one to look at.

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Kind of a seperate thing I wanted to bring up here.. I dont think it deserves its own thread, so I'll just tack it on this post.

I went back and looked at last years schedule, and the box scores for the first 30 or so games last season ( when we were around .500) One thing I was looking for was how we played with Greene starting as the '2' when we would just put out that huge lineup.

There was a 4 game stretch where we started Evans/Greene/Nocioni/Thompson/Hawes. We won 4 games in a row with that lineup. With how bad we are struggling right now, I dont know why we dont try and go big again. Like really, really big.
 
Also makes it easier for a more "attractive" franchise to make an offer...

Dalembert has been wanting to come to Sacto for a minute. Sacto has been wanting Dally for a minute. Whats more attractive than that?
 
via sacramento kings twitter
Jason Thompson has been named team's starting power forward in place of Carl Landry, according to Coach Paul Westphal.
and Hassan Whiteside has been assigned to team's D-League affiliate Reno Bighorns, according to Coach Paul Westphal.
 
This is going to be an interesting thread.

Wow do KF's have a serious man-crush on the potential of JT.
I didn't see the last 2 games other than JT sucking in the 4th qtr against the Bulls (which KF will explain away and forgive, of course as always) but it truly amazes me how little this guy has to do to warrant complete adulation on these boards. Every other King, it seems, gets their rightful amount of complaints, but JT's endless mistakes are constantly written off.

But you know what?
I hope JT DOES start, so that he can get his fair share of blame when and if the Kings still play badly as a team when he is on the floor.
It's a no-lose proposition for me, since IF the Kings start playing better with him as a starter and he presumably starts playing up to his potential I'll be happy for him and the Kings. He is a great kid, personally.

But IF he keeps making boneheaded mistakes and the Kings don't suddenly start playing better, I expect you all to crucify him for his mistakes and the team failures when he is on the floor like you have done Landry, or you prove yourselves to be hypocrites.
And if JT plays good on a consistent basis (let's say, 4 games in a row like Landry did) than I'll say I was wrong.
Deal?
 
Wow do KF's have a serious man-crush on the potential of JT.
I can't speak for others but in my case, I'm not even that crazy about Thompson. It's just that starting Landry isn't translating to winning, so why not give JT a few weeks starting and see what happens?
 
This is going to be an interesting thread.

Wow do KF's have a serious man-crush on the potential of JT.
I didn't see the last 2 games other than JT sucking in the 4th qtr against the Bulls (which KF will explain away and forgive, of course as always) but it truly amazes me how little this guy has to do to warrant complete adulation on these boards. Every other King, it seems, gets their rightful amount of complaints, but JT's endless mistakes are constantly written off.

But you know what?
I hope JT DOES start, so that he can get his fair share of blame when and if the Kings still play badly as a team when he is on the floor.
It's a no-lose proposition for me, since IF the Kings start playing better with him as a starter and he presumably starts playing up to his potential I'll be happy for him and the Kings. He is a great kid, personally.

But IF he keeps making boneheaded mistakes and the Kings don't suddenly start playing better, I expect you all to crucify him for his mistakes and the team failures when he is on the floor like you have done Landry, or you prove yourselves to be hypocrites.
And if JT plays good on a consistent basis (let's say, 4 games in a row like Landry did) than I'll say I was wrong.
Deal?

I'm sorry, but what more do you want from him? He averaged a double double his sophmore year, gets jerked everywhere. He has more starts at SF than his natural position. He's probably the hardest worker, and best team player we have.
 
JT is just able to play with the team better than Landry from what ive seen so far. Landry is a scorer, which is good. But he is short, his lack of height doesnt give him the ability to pass out to his teammates well. At least with JT, his height gives him more options to play with the team.
 
This is going to be an interesting thread.

Wow do KF's have a serious man-crush on the potential of JT.
I didn't see the last 2 games other than JT sucking in the 4th qtr against the Bulls (which KF will explain away and forgive, of course as always) but it truly amazes me how little this guy has to do to warrant complete adulation on these boards. Every other King, it seems, gets their rightful amount of complaints, but JT's endless mistakes are constantly written off.

But you know what?
I hope JT DOES start, so that he can get his fair share of blame when and if the Kings still play badly as a team when he is on the floor.
It's a no-lose proposition for me, since IF the Kings start playing better with him as a starter and he presumably starts playing up to his potential I'll be happy for him and the Kings. He is a great kid, personally.

But IF he keeps making boneheaded mistakes and the Kings don't suddenly start playing better, I expect you all to crucify him for his mistakes and the team failures when he is on the floor like you have done Landry, or you prove yourselves to be hypocrites.
And if JT plays good on a consistent basis (let's say, 4 games in a row like Landry did) than I'll say I was wrong.
Deal?

Your first mistake is your thinking that anyone really cares what you think. I don't! So your admitting that your wrong, if that were to happen, is meaningless. You have a good day.. Oh, by the way, try watching a whole game before commenting. It might make you more credible.
 
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