The T-Mac Saga of trades

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I have discussed trading for T-Mac then waiving him in the past... so let's give it a spin again. T-Mac is finished in Houston; put a fork in him, he's done.

There has been speculation of the Rockets being interested in a K-Mart (plus a two of the other top paid Kings players) for T-Mac trade. Honestly, KMart is worth more than an expiring contract, but if the Rockets took other long term contracts (i.e. Beno, Nocioni, Garcia) it MIGHT be worth it... seeing how KMart is always hurt. Especially if draft picks are involved... or maybe a third team??? Here are some scenarios I got to check out on the Trade Checker... I would love some other ideas, though.

KMart, Nocioni, and Beno for TMac; this deal would give the Kings a ton of cap space at season end... but can they attract a worthy free agent? Will Chris Bosh come to Sac? How much would the Kings have to overpay him?http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5346732

Nocioni, K9, and Beno for TMac; Houston would never go for this... if they did, by all means.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5346741

KMart, K9, and Nocioni (or Beno) for TMac. Seems like the Kings would be giving up WAY to much in this deal.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5346745

KMart and K9 for TMAC also works.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5346772


Three team deals:

Kings get: Peja and Okafor
Houston gets: Nocioni, Thomas (or Beno) and Martin
New Orleans gets: TMAC
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5346726

Kings get: Dalembert and TMac
Houston gets: KMart and Kenny Thomas
Philly gets: Beno and Nocioni
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5346759


Other ideas? Thoughts?
 
I have no interest in T-Mac. I just don't think he fits into the future of the team.

However, a 3 team deal for a BIG makes sense...
 
G_M said:
I have no interest in T-Mac. I just don't think he fits into the future of the team.

However, a 3 team deal for a BIG makes sense...
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I agree... I think the Kings should trade for him and waive him... he would have no use as a player, but as an expiring contract.
 
G_M said:
I have no interest in T-Mac. I just don't think he fits into the future of the team.

However, a 3 team deal for a BIG makes sense...
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Are there any other bigs on the block besides potentially Okafor and Dalembert?
 
No way. Kings shouldn't entertain even facilitating a trade for T-Mac in which Martin moves. All these trades are basically using KMart as a means to Salary dump productive players for defensive bigs... I ask what is the point?

Those bigs can be had with K9 + incentive alone.
Noci can fetch expirings on his own or is a nice piece in a trade
Beno is a productive bench player who can start for this club in stints - as long as he keeps his play up his contract isn't the albatross it once was...
KMart should be apart of a trade that brings in a true star big, not Dalambert or overpaying for Okafor.
 
NoBonus said:
Are there any other bigs on the block besides potentially Okafor and Dalembert?
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(Centers bolded)

Marcin Gortat (Unhappy with playing time), Carlos Boozer ($$$), Anthony Randolph (?), Kyrylo Fesenko ($), Chris Bosh (If Toronto thinks he'll walk for nothing...) Memphis big to make room for Thabeet (?), Sean Williams (NJ...), Eddie Curry (dumb/no rpg), Elton Brand (old), Robin Lopez (nuts?), Antawn Jamison (If the Wizards finally commit to break up their team and move towards a rebuild)...
 
G_M said:
I have no interest in T-Mac. I just don't think he fits into the future of the team.

However, a 3 team deal for a BIG makes sense...
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Getting T-Mac has nothing to do with how he fits in the future of this team. Any interest in T-Mac from our part is to get his massive expiring contract and shed some salary, creating more cap room to go after not one but potentially 2 max players.
 
Nighthawk1 said:
No way. Kings shouldn't entertain even facilitating a trade for T-Mac in which Martin moves. All these trades are basically using KMart as a means to Salary dump productive players for defensive bigs... I ask what is the point?

Those bigs can be had with K9 + incentive alone.
Noci can fetch expirings on his own or is a nice piece in a trade
Beno is a productive bench player who can start for this club in stints - as long as he keeps his play up his contract isn't the albatross it once was...
KMart should be apart of a trade that brings in a true star big, not Dalambert or overpaying for Okafor.
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Which "true star big"? Bosh is an ender this season and Dwight Howard is going nowhere. Yao Ming could be washed up... what about Al Jefferson? He seems untouchable, though... however, you could trade Martin + Greene or Rodriguez for him...
 
Jespher said:
(Centers bolded)

Marcin Gortat (Unhappy with playing time), Carlos Boozer ($$$), Anthony Randolph (?), Kyrylo Fesenko ($), Chris Bosh (If Toronto thinks he'll walk for nothing...) Memphis big to make room for Thabeet (?), Sean Williams (NJ...), Eddie Curry (dumb/no rpg), Elton Brand (old), Robin Lopez (nuts?), Antawn Jamison (If the Wizards finally commit to break up their team and move towards a rebuild)...
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Gortat would be great if he wasn't BYC (nearly impossible to trade)
 
Jespher said:
Marcin Gortat (Unhappy with playing time), Carlos Boozer ($$$), Anthony Randolph (?), Kyrylo Fesenko ($), Chris Bosh (If Toronto thinks he'll walk for nothing...) Memphis big to make room for Thabeet (?), Sean Williams(NJ...), Eddie Curry (dumb/no rpg), Elton Brand (old), Robin Lopez (nuts?), Antawn Jamison (If the Wizards finally commit to break up their team and move towards a rebuild)...
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Anthony Randolph may be 6'11" but by no means is he a big man. He's a stick figure. If he and K-Mart got in a fight, my money would actually be on K-Mart.

Gortat's contract is a concern. Boozer would probably walk at the end of the season unless we paid him a huge contract. I don't think Memphis is ready to get Thabeet in the spotlight just yet. Sean Williams and Eddie Curry? No way. Elton Brand is breaking down and his contract is about 60 million dollars more than he's worth right now. I don't think the Suns would even consider trading Lopez (he's one of their two legitimate bigs). Jamison solves absolutely none of our problems.
 
NoBonus said:
Which "true star big"? Bosh is an ender this season and Dwight Howard is going nowhere. Yao Ming could be washed up... what about Al Jefferson? He seems untouchable, though... however, you could trade Martin + Greene or Rodriguez for him...
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Al Jefferson, Bosh, Amare, Brook Lopez are people I'd push for Martin to be traded for.. some more untouchable then others.

I think anything but using martin to target a player of that caliber would be dissapointing. The other guys can be had for almost expirings and helping create cap space for other teams...
 
Čarolija said:
Getting T-Mac has nothing to do with how he fits in the future of this team. Any interest in T-Mac from our part is to get his massive expiring contract and shed some salary, creating more cap room to go after not one but potentially 2 max players.
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I don't disagree...

I'm just saying that in order reach T-Mac's salary number you would have to either give back expiring contracts and or include a young "quality" player.
Kmart, Noc, and KT would do it.....

I'm not sure if I'm Houston that I would rather have Kmart instead of Ariza......
 
Jespher said:
Gortat for Beno works on paper, and for the Kings, but I don't think the Magic are that desperate to get another PG...
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Actually it DOESN'T work on paper since Gortat is a BYC player which means that Magic can only take back something like 2 million back for Gortat's contract.
 
G_M said:
I don't disagree...

I'm just saying that in order reach T-Mac's salary number you would have to either give back expiring contracts and or include a young "quality" player.
Kmart, Noc, and KT would do it.....

I'm not sure if I'm Houston that I would rather have Kmart instead of Ariza......
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If we offered K-Mart and an expiring contract for T-Mac Houston would be laughing all the way to the bank with that one. They would be all over it like a cheap suit.
 
NoBonus said:
I agree... I think the Kings should trade for him and waive him... he would have no use as a player, but as an expiring contract.
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So then we trade Martin and a couple others at the hope of signing someone in the off season? :eek:

eeeeep... Martin has MUCH more trade value than just cap space..
 
Aenadin said:
kmart
k9
noc

for

tmac
joey dorsey
1st round pick


id be happy with this....
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You might be happy but I can pretty much guarantee a whole lot of Kings fans wouldn't be.

If we're going to trade Martin, it's going to have to be something in the ballpark of the Richmond for Webber trade. (Not comparing the players involved, BTW...just talking about the relevant worth of each side of the deal). On the right team, Kevin Martin could be the difference between a first round exit and a trip to the finals. That isn't something you let go for cents on the dollar. Ever...
 
Gary said:
So then we trade Martin and a couple others at the hope of signing someone in the off season? :eek:

eeeeep... Martin has MUCH more trade value than just cap space..
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Exactly, well said.

We haven't exactly been the FA signing Kings, we have been the build through draft and trade Kings. We along with multiple other teams are banking on signing the FA's, but who is to say they will all leave? I'd rather trade for one.
 
HE.. NO. NO deal involving a player entering his prime (Martin) for a player coming off a major knee injury. We are in good shape right now. We dont need to make a move. We only need to make a move THIS year if you think we are a major player in the playoffs.

We have some time to see what this team looks like for the rest of the season. The we lose KTs contract and have some room to play with.

I cant believe people are wanting to trade away Martin. You people are CWWAAAZZZYYY:)
 
reid1boys said:
HE.. NO. NO deal involving a player entering his prime (Martin) for a player coming off a major knee injury. We are in good shape right now. We dont need to make a move. We only need to make a move THIS year if you think we are a major player in the playoffs.

We have some time to see what this team looks like for the rest of the season. The we lose KTs contract and have some room to play with.

I cant believe people are wanting to trade away Martin. You people are CWWAAAZZZYYY:)
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Crazy for wanting to trade an $11 million player off a 17 win team who we are 1-4 wiht this season?

No.

But the salary dump approach to the Kevin issue has never been right. You don't liquidate your best trade piece on a wild gamble. Kevin has considerable value as a player to the right team. You don't dump him for enders. You don't dump him for "flexible pieces". He's the cornerstone to getting something big done that could set this franchise up for years.
 
It's more than rumor that the Rockets specifically want Kevin Martin as the Kings are insisting they have to first see how he does in the same backcourt with Tyreke Evans. So, maybe a trade goes down one way or the other - but not involving Tracy McGrady.

An injury prone Kmart for an injury prone Yao Ming. Of course, Kings have to throw in the likes of Nocioni, Thomas and probably Hawes. I know it still might seem far-fetched, but stranger things have happened. Oh, and since Yao would likely not be available until next season we get as the Rockets throw in that fine Modesto product, Chuck Hayes:eek:
 
Jespher said:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5348451
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Using a realGM trade checker to prove your point is not really a smart move, especially when you chose the "Contrinue" option to ignore the trade restriction that came up!

FYI Gortat is a BYC player and his BYC expires July 1, 2010. Until then his outgoing "trade value" is $2,927,000 which means that the salary Orlando can get back for Gortat cannot be greater than 125% plus $100K which would be roughly some $3+ million.

Try using a trade checker that doesn't allows you to over-ride the restrictions that are in place with player's contracts like ESPN's trade machine

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
 
Crazy for wanting to trade an $11 million player off a 17 win team who we are 1-4 wiht this season?




There are plenty of teams out there that stunk last season that have a player making a decent amount of money. It does not take away from that players value. Martin was a very good player on a very bad team, not his fault.

Can martin make up for that thing we called a front court last season?
So yes, CRAZY for even thinking about a Martin trade until after you have seen how he plays with this current team and budding superstar.


How many games did we lose due to poor FT shooting a few weeks back? Doubtful we lose those games if Martin were available.
 
reid1boys said:
How many games did we lose due to poor FT shooting a few weeks back? Doubtful we lose those games if Martin were available.
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There's no guarantee we are even IN those games if Martin is available. Those close losses, and indeed all our success this season were build on heart, hustle, toughness, and esprit d' corp.

And there has not been one successful franchise in the history of basketball, at any level, that was making decisions because of FT shooting. I mean really. What's next? Horse?
 
PurpleHaze said:
It's more than rumor that the Rockets specifically want Kevin Martin as the Kings are insisting they have to first see how he does in the same backcourt with Tyreke Evans. So, maybe a trade goes down one way or the other - but not involving Tracy McGrady.

An injury prone Kmart for an injury prone Yao Ming. Of course, Kings have to throw in the likes of Nocioni, Thomas and probably Hawes. I know it still might seem far-fetched, but stranger things have happened. Oh, and since Yao would likely not be available until next season we get as the Rockets throw in that fine Modesto product, Chuck Hayes:eek:
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I am quite sure the Rockets plan is to pair Yao and Kevin in an inside/out combo -- same thing we should be trying to do. I also think Chuck Hayes, amazingly enough, might be next to untouchable. Like ourselves that squad is winning 100% on spirit, toughness, and intangibles. Its why they banished their own sofite returning SG -- did not want to disrupt. Its really hard to see them trading the core guys that are defining their underdog scrap right now. Battier, Hayes, Landry etc.
 
Bricklayer said:
I am quite sure the Rockets plan is to pair Yao and Kevin in an inside/out combo -- same thing we should be trying to do. I also think Chuck Hayes, amazingly enough, might be next to untouchable. Like ourselves that squad is winning 100% on spirit, toughness, and intangibles. Its why they banished their own sofite returning SG -- did not want to disrupt. Its really hard to see them trading the core guys that are defining their underdog scrap right now. Battier, Hayes, Landry etc.
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Makes you wonder if Petrie and Westphal are planning on banishing our injury prone returning softie SG.
 
If tmacs contract is expiring this year, ide do it simply for that reason. I do no want to pay martin if he's going to miss half the season every season here on out. I say we move martin, move forward and do work in free agency 2010
 
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