The Race Factor

[PJAZZ19]

I think it's really interesting how Barry Bonds is being harassed so vehemently for his alleged (key word--alleged) steroid use. When it was McGwire, the attitude was so much different sort of like a "oh, how sad our hero has fallen". With Bonds, it's more like "sweet, we always wanted to find a reason to get him, and now there's a chance". It's really disgusting, and I attribute a lot of it to race and Barry's supposed "bad attitude" towards the media. It's like, because he's never really been "Mr Personality" like McGwire, he's suddenly guilty, etc.

I'm going to continue rooting for Bonds, and unlike many in the media--I hope he's innocent.

 

[thesanityannex]

I think it's really interesting how Barry Bonds is being harassed so vehemently for his alleged (key word--alleged) steroid use. When it was McGwire, the attitude was so much different sort of like a "oh, how sad our hero has fallen". With Bonds, it's more like "sweet, we always wanted to find a reason to get him, and now there's a chance". It's really disgusting, and I attribute a lot of it to race and Barry's supposed "bad attitude" towards the media. It's like, because he's never really been "Mr Personality" like McGwire, he's suddenly guilty, etc.

I'm going to continue rooting for Bonds, and unlike many in the media--I hope he's innocent.

The guy is black, big deal. The part bolded is the only valid point in here. Your line of thinking seems quite ridiculous, especially when you bring in his race. This is not about race. This about someone breaking baseballs most coveted record while possibly having used steroids.

"Suddenly guilty"???? The guy had ties to four people who were brought down in the BALCO case, including his personal trainer. He is also being tried for perjury. Is he guilty yet...............no. He will be though, don't worry.

 

[Purple Reign]

I think it's really interesting how Barry Bonds is being harassed so vehemently for his alleged (key word--alleged) steroid use. When it was McGwire, the attitude was so much different sort of like a "oh, how sad our hero has fallen". With Bonds, it's more like "sweet, we always wanted to find a reason to get him, and now there's a chance". It's really disgusting, and I attribute a lot of it to race and Barry's supposed "bad attitude" towards the media. It's like, because he's never really been "Mr Personality" like McGwire, he's suddenly guilty, etc.

I'm going to continue rooting for Bonds, and unlike many in the media--I hope he's innocent.

Dude, you might as well give it up. The folks here at Kingsfans.com is not going to hear that period! Move On.

 

[PJAZZ19]

Your line of thinking seems quite ridiculous.

Okay, so because I don't agree with you suddenly my line of thinking is "ridiculous"?

Yeah, maybe Barry will be found guilty. But I doubt he'll get a fair trial because of the media's incessant coverage of this. Most people have already made up their minds without hearing both sides of the story anyways.

And maybe you're right about race...but, I don't think it would be wrong for me to think something might be up given the obvious difference in how this played out when it was McGwire vs. Bonds.

I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours. But I would really appreciate it if you didn't talk down to me in a disrespectful manner.

Thanks.

 

[hoopsfan]

I think part of the reason may be because he keeps denying using steroids, and how he so persecuted...boo hoo. At least McGwire admitted it..and everyone moved on. I'm not a fan of either..so I really don't care.

 

[kupman]

Okay, so because I don't agree with you suddenly my line of thinking is "ridiculous"?

Yeah, maybe Barry will be found guilty. But I doubt he'll get a fair trial because of the media's incessant coverage of this. Most people have already made up their minds without hearing both sides of the story anyways.

And maybe you're right about race...but, I don't think it would be wrong for me to think something might be up given the obvious difference in how this played out when it was McGwire vs. Bonds.

I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours. But I would really appreciate it if you didn't talk down to me in a disrespectful manner.

Thanks.

If it makes you feel any better, I can see what you were saying. I would say more but I got out of the Bonds threads because the emotions run so strong on both sides.

 

[thesanityannex]

Okay, so because I don't agree with you suddenly my line of thinking is "ridiculous"?

First let me state that I fail to see this as disrespectful. Maybe I should have said "far fetched" instead of ridiculous. Your thought that Bonds is being treated unfairly because of his race is "far fetched".

Yeah, maybe Barry will be found guilty. But I doubt he'll get a fair trial because of the media's incessant coverage of this. Most people have already made up their minds without hearing both sides of the story anyways.

If Bonds wasn't in denial, the media would most likely ease up on him, like they did with Palemeiro, McGwire, Caminiti, Giambi etc.

Most people who have made up their minds on this issue won't be on the Grand Jury. Hypothetically, if Bonds had not lied while he had immunity in the first trial (if this is the case), he wouldn't be on a second trial.

And maybe you're right about race...but, I don't think it would be wrong for me to think something might be up given the obvious difference in how this played out when it was McGwire vs. Bonds.

McGwire is not chasing the most coveted record, he is irrelevant.

I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours. But I would really appreciate it if you didn't talk down to me in a disrespectful manner.

Thanks.

I'm sorry that you thought it was in a disrespectful. My comments were not meant to be taken in that manner.It just frustrates me when Bonds supporters bring his race into the steroid situation that is going on.

 

[PJAZZ19]

Maybe I wasn't paying attention...but I don't ever remember McGwire completely coming clean. All I remember him saying is dancing around the issue saying "I don't want to talk about the past...I'm here to talk about the future"...so, I'm not sure if he actually came clean.

 

[hoopsfan]

Maybe I wasn't paying attention...but I don't ever remember McGwire completely coming clean. All I remember him saying is dancing around the issue saying "I don't want to talk about the past...I'm here to talk about the future"...so, I'm not sure if he actually came clean.

I think that's what he said at the recent (last year or so) "hearings" on the matter...after he was retired.I think he came out earlier and named the substance he used. I don't remember the name of it...don't think it was illegel, at that time (just not the right thing)..though I think it might be now. He, at least, admitted to some usage...not continual denial.

 

[6th]

I think that's what he said at the recent (last year or so) "hearings" on the matter...after he was retired.I think he came out earlier and named the substance he used. I don't remember the name of it...don't think it was illegel, at that time (just not the right thing)..though I think it might be now. He, at least, admitted to some usage...not continual denial.

It seems to me something was found in his locker, and at the time he downplayed it and commented that it was not illegal.

Mark McGwire "cheated" as much as anyone. Since when is admitting cheating looked upon as a good thing?

On the one hand Bonds is vilified for "cheating" but McGwire was not. And, I don't think it has a damn thing to do with his admitting it. It was swept under the rug because the home run chase between McGwire and Sosa put people's butts into the stands. The league turned a blind eye because it was all about the money that it brought back into the league after the stupid strike...or should I say lockout?

Bonds is the scapegoat because he is chasing a "revered" record. Forget about the "revered" record that McGwire broke at the time. Yes, and the league praised him for it. Is it any wonder that others decided that "cheating" was acceptable if that was the only way to "compete" with the big boys? I am not saying that it was right, but scapegoating one guy (particularly someone the media hates anyway) is a crock.

I vowed I would stay out of this argument. But, when the 1st known big cheater (McGwire) is praised and excused while Bonds takes the heat for everyone (including the stupid league), then I say BULL HOCKEY!

That is all I will say on this subject.

 

[thesanityannex]

I vowed I would stay out of this argument. But, when the 1st known big cheater (McGwire) is praised and excused while Bonds takes the heat for everyone (including the stupid league), then I say BULL HOCKEY!

That is all I will say on this subject.

Who is praising and excusing McGwire?

I look at them all the same, a bunch of cheaters. I'm a huge Padres fan, but I think Caminiti's NL MVP should have an asterick next to it as well. All of these users should have astericks next to their names.

And Bonds is taking the heat for his own actions, not others.

 

[hoopsfan]

Believe me...I'm certainly not "praising" McGwire. I don't like him any more than Bonds. I was just putting a different "spin" on the whole thing as opposed to the "race card" being played by the original poster.
They're both a couple of cheating scumbags as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think it's really interesting how Barry Bonds is being harassed so vehemently for his alleged (key word--alleged) steroid use. When it was McGwire, the attitude was so much different sort of like a "oh, how sad our hero has fallen". With Bonds, it's more like "sweet, we always wanted to find a reason to get him, and now there's a chance". It's really disgusting, and I attribute a lot of it to race and Barry's supposed "bad attitude" towards the media. It's like, because he's never really been "Mr Personality" like McGwire, he's suddenly guilty, etc.

I'm going to continue rooting for Bonds, and unlike many in the media--I hope he's innocent.

As is so often the case, playing the race card here is hooey.

1) McGwire was first generation. Bonds planned, knew, and took it to the next level.

2) McGwire is also irrelevant. The only record he set was surpassed by an even bigger cheater. And THAT is why Bonds is so problematic and may have to be stripped -- he is a brazen living breathing mockery of th entire sport sitting there proudly for the whole world to see holding baseball's most coveted records. Coveted of course if you happen to be talking about people who don't cheat. There is a vast gulf between being Canseco and hitting more home runs than you should have, and being Bonds and engaging in an intentional campaign to subvert the record books of the game you are supposed to represent. The difference between Michael Redd cheating to be Michael Redd, and Michael Jordan cheating to be Michael Jordan and sliming the entire sport in the process.

3) Oddly Sammy Sosa, who quite clearly roided up, doesn't seem to take nearly the heat that Bonds does. Odd, given that he is also black. And gee, do the names Giambi and Palmiero mena anything to you? Naw..clearly nobody has givne them a hard time at all because they have lighter skin.

4) Finally of course, Bonds is an *******. He was an ******* before he cheated. And he now he's a cheating *******. Hence he has exactly ZERO goodwill built up where people say "ooh, he just made a mistake". No. No, he did exactly what he's always done -- think of Barry Bonds first, second and third, and bleep the game, the fans, and anyone or anything that doesn't advance the cause of Barry.

 

[thesanityannex]

3) Oddly Sammy Sosa, who quite clearly roided up, doesn't seem to take nearly the heat that Bonds does.

Not to nitpick, alright, I'm nitpicking, but Sammy isn't "black" and doesn't consider himself black, like most people born in the Dominican Republic. By Webster's definition though, I guess he would be considered black. But what does Webster know.

4) Finally of course, Bonds is an *******. He was an ******* before he cheated. And he now he's a cheating *******. Hence he has exactly ZERO goodwill built up where people say "ooh, he just made a mistake". No. No, he did exactly what he's always done -- think of Barry Bonds first, second and third, and bleep the game, the fans, and anyone or anything that doesn't advance the cause of Barry.

Well put.

 

[6th]

Believe me...I'm certainly not "praising" McGwire. I don't like him any more than Bonds. I was just putting a different "spin" on the whole thing as opposed to the "race card" being played by the original poster.
They're both a couple of cheating scumbags as far as I'm concerned.

No problem. I was referring to Major League Baseball itself who turned a blind eye to McGwire's performance enhancing drugs that were found in his locker...the very season he set the single season HR record. Why? They needed him for the money he brought back into baseball.

 

[hoopsfan]

No problem. I was referring to Major League Baseball itself who turned a blind eye to McGwire's performance enhancing drugs that were found in his locker...the very season he set the single season HR record. Why? They needed him for the money he brought back into baseball.

Bingo!

 

[PJAZZ19]

This was just the wrong thing to stir up at the wrong time. I'm all for ending this--and I wish I hadn't of brought it up.

It's hard to see a player that you grew up watching, playing for a team you absolutely adore (though not as much as I adore the Kings )...fall like this--and while I still personally believe race is a factor, I don't want to argue anymore. I'm sorry I brought this up.

We've got so much more positive stuff to focus on with our Kings