The one and ONLY Rubio thread (merged)

[Jerryaki]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...th_regal_barcelona_affordable_buyout_in_2011/

let the "see, good thing we didn't take rubio" versus the "but if we had picked him, he might not have stayed in europe!" arguments commence!

 

[LoungeLizard]

I don't believe the idea that Rubio possibly wouldn't come over and play after being drafted had any bearing whatsoever in the decision by Kings brass to select Evans. The simple fact is Petrie and others felt Evans was the better talent and thats why he was picked......but still, its a good thing we didn't pick Rubio.

 

[AriesMar27]

his buyout to stay in europe was 5.3 million.... damn, they are ripping those kids off something fierce.

 

[drboiffard]

3,7 million € It has been the most expensive transfer in ACB history...and of course being able to pay it has to be with being the basketball section of a soccer team. At least it isn't Real Madrid! Anyway, it's a good thing that DKV is being payed a lot because it has one of the best basketball schools in Spain and they were under ecomonical problems.

If Kings had picked up Rubio, he may have come to NBA this year. The main reason is that his 4th position sallary for this and next season would have been enough to pay himself his buyout, and with his 6th position he can't, so he was tied up to his current team. Also coming for the Kings would have let him better sponsors contracts than Timberwolves, so the economic problem of his buyout would have been much easier.

He knew before the draft that being picked up under 4th position would let him in a difficult situation, as it finally happened.

 

[Prince_XY]

Rubio was over-hyped for all his worth. He was projected by the media to be #2, but no team was fooled by the over-hyping to grab him - until the 5th.

Good for Memphis, Oklahoma, and Sacramento. They didn't fall for the trap. They have avoided having to explain their being duped by the over-hyping. Good for Rubio too. No one will know for sure in the next couple of years if he is just another Ridnour.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I don't think this would have happened if the Kings had drafted him, the Kings were one of only 2 or 3 teams he wanted to play for...I do think he would have signed with us had we drafted him. But oh well, hopefully Reke helps us in becoming a contender again in a year or two.

 

[ElRey]

Buyout in 2011, so that will leave 2 more years for NBA scouts/teams to dissect his game some more. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing for Rubio. He needs to show superstar potential the next 2 years in order to even be drafted higher than #5.

 

[Bricklayer]

Buyout in 2011, so that will leave 2 more years for NBA scouts/teams to dissect his game some more. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing for Rubio. He needs to show superstar potential the next 2 years in order to even be drafted higher than #5.

Won't be redrafted -- the Wolves hold his rights now. But yeah, it will be interesting whether this works out for him as Flynn turns out mediocre and Rubio does well, so that Minny is sitting there salivating waiting until his arrival, or whether the doubters turn out correct, Rubio doesn't really get muchy better, and a couple of years from now he's kind of an afterthought in Minny like Fran VBasquez became in Orlando -- guy you would like to bring over to see how he does, but nobody that you are going to hand a spot.

 

[ElRey]

Won't be redrafted -- the Wolves hold his rights now. But yeah, it will be interesting whether this works out for him as Flynn turns out mediocre and Rubio does well, so that Minny is sitting there salivating waiting until his arrival, or whether the doubters turn out correct, Rubio doesn't really get muchy better, and a couple of years from now he's kind of an afterthought in Minny like Fran VBasquez became in Orlando -- guy you would like to bring over to see how he does, but nobody that you are going to hand a spot.

whooops you're absolutely right, forgot that Minny still holds his rights.

 

[NoBonus]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...th_regal_barcelona_affordable_buyout_in_2011/

let the "see, good thing we didn't take rubio" versus the "but if we had picked him, he might not have stayed in europe!" arguments commence!

Q: What sound does a bullet make when you dodge it?
A: ....rrrrrrruuubio.....

 

[Oprostaj]

Won't be redrafted -- the Wolves hold his rights now. But yeah, it will be interesting whether this works out for him as Flynn turns out mediocre and Rubio does well, so that Minny is sitting there salivating waiting until his arrival, or whether the doubters turn out correct, Rubio doesn't really get muchy better, and a couple of years from now he's kind of an afterthought in Minny like Fran VBasquez became in Orlando -- guy you would like to bring over to see how he does, but nobody that you are going to hand a spot.

I think he would have to fall off the map to get to that status. There might be Rubio haters but it is very hard to doubt that kid's talent. He might not be fastest, biggest, strongest and his shot might not de ideal, but he has shown court vision, intelligence and maturity beyond his years, playing in a leauge where players don't get nearly the same amount of amenities that players here do. I don't really understand what he must do to greatly improve himself besides maybe working on the physical aspects of his game (strenght, conditioning) I think he is much better than Vasquez when he was first drafted.

 

[fnordius]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...th_regal_barcelona_affordable_buyout_in_2011/

Ah, well, so much for resolving how Rubio will do in the NBA before 2014.

 

[Superman]

When you have a player who's willing to stay in Europe rather than come play for the team that drafted him, there's no way to say that he would have signed with a different team. Maybe he did want to play for the Kings, but evidently, he wanted to stay in Europe, too. And had we drafted him and not been able to sign him, we'd have wasted the 4th pick of the draft.

A lot of variables to consider, but this development makes me more comfortable with our pick.

 

[AriesMar27]

didnt steve francis cry his way out of going to the grizzlies? if a player doesnt want to play for a team and rather stay overseas to do so doesnt mean that he would do it for every team. if the wolves traded rubios rights to the lakers you better believe that he would be playing this coming season. granted there are too many variables to deal with over rubio playing in the nba but who really wants to live in minnesota?

i wouldnt move there if my job paid me double the cash bought me a car and paid my rent for a year. you're asking him to pay more money out of his own pocket than the team is paying him to live and play there... hell no.... thats like someone asking you to pay extra cash to live in a smaller house in a crappier neighborhood with horrible weather and nothing to do for fun on weekends.... would you do it?

 

[Superman]

didnt steve francis cry his way out of going to the grizzlies? if a player doesnt want to play for a team and rather stay overseas to do so doesnt mean that he would do it for every team. if the wolves traded rubios rights to the lakers you better believe that he would be playing this coming season. granted there are too many variables to deal with over rubio playing in the nba but who really wants to live in minnesota?

i wouldnt move there if my job paid me double the cash bought me a car and paid my rent for a year. you're asking him to pay more money out of his own pocket than the team is paying him to live and play there... hell no.... thats like someone asking you to pay extra cash to live in a smaller house in a crappier neighborhood with horrible weather and nothing to do for fun on weekends.... would you do it?

I don't agree with your analogy, but it doesn't matter. I think that if Rubio didn't already have this ace in the hole, if he just didn't want to go to Minnesota, he would have made a big deal about not going to Minnesota, and then that would have been a different story. Seems to me that the Wolves had no indication that he didn't want to play there. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but it seems like he wasn't dead set on playing for the NBA unless he was presented with ideal conditions.

Maybe he did want to come to Sacramento, and maybe that's what he expected. But if he goes and plays in Europe, it says to me that he wasn't 100% certain he planned on coming here anyways.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

i wouldnt move there if my job paid me double the cash bought me a car and paid my rent for a year.

You're crazy; I'd move to Minnesota for less than what I'm making now, if it didn't take me so far away from my kid.

 

[AriesMar27]

minnesota still sucks.... he would have to pay more money out of his own pockets than minny was paying him just to fight for minutes at pg because the team drafted 3 of them, kept 2 traded one.... the weather, the team and the city sucks.... why would anyone want to pay to play there? being paid to play there is one thing, thats fine if they are paying him millions to play basketball in a crappy city. but to pay to play there out of your own pocket is a rip off unless you are on a contender and have job security at your position.

it would be a damn shame if rubio was in minny and 2nd round picks have more money than a top 5 pick.

 

[AriesMar27]

You're crazy; I'd move to Minnesota for less than what I'm making now, if it didn't take me so far away from my kid.

i couldnt leave los angeles to live in minnesota for less money, you're crazy. i wouldnt do it for more money.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Minnesota does not suck; you have a fair argument about having to pay his way out of that stupid contract, but he's the dumbass who signed the contract in the first place.

But Minnesota does not suck; not the weather, not the "city" (presumably you were talking about Minneapolis), and the team is no worse than ours. Better, actually, as they, at least, have a definite piece that a team can be built around.

EDIT - Los Angeles?

:: spits ::

I wouldn't live in Gomorrah for all the money in the world.

 

[SacKings7]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/61308/20090826/source_rubio_deal_not_done_yet/

 

[AriesMar27]

i read that........

 

[Warhawk]

Minnesota does not suck; you have a fair argument about having to pay his way out of that stupid contract, but he's the dumbass who signed the contract in the first place.

But Minnesota does not suck; not the weather, not the "city" (presumably you were talking about Minneapolis), and the team is no worse than ours. Better, actually, as they, at least, have a definite piece that a team can be built around.

EDIT - Los Angeles?

:: spits ::

I wouldn't live in Gomorrah for all the money in the world.

I lived in Orange County for 2.5 years and couldn't wait to get out of there.....so chalk one up for Slim in this discussion.

 

[Dime Dropper]

The initial report was from Marca. As I've said before, they are completely unreliable. The most laughable news source I've ever come across. They literally make things up just for the heck of it.

Reagarding the issue at hand, if Rubio doesn't come over this year (and it looks like he won't), it's pretty much all down to finances. He'll find it hard to make money from marketing etc. in Minny, and pretty much all his salary and then some would have to go towards his buyout. It would just be too tricky financially for him to come over unless they could work something out.

I can't wait to see how he does when he comes over, and he will come over at some point. He's always wanted to play in the NBA and he's eager to prove himself against the best players in the world. He's certainly a talent (with faults of course); I can't wait to see how it all works out.

 

[AriesMar27]

thats what im trying to say, he would lose money by coming to the nba this season especially if its for the twolves....

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Reagarding the issue at hand, if Rubio doesn't come over this year (and it looks like he won't), it's pretty much all down to finances. He'll find it hard to make money from marketing etc. in Minny...

That's ridiculous. This isn't the late seventies or the early eighties; it's not even the mid-nineties. It's 2009; this is the 4G era. Marketing opportunities come to you, if you are, in fact, marketable. Anybody who says, in this day and age, that New York and Los Angeles are the only places that you can go in the United States to become prosperous, and get the marketing opportunities, or whatever, is either uninformed, or lying through their teeth. That sort of direct exposure may be necessary if you're a borderline star, but if you're a legitimate Star, the world will beat a path you your door.

thats what im trying to say, he would lose money by coming to the nba this season especially if its for the twolves....

He would lose money anywhere; his rookie salary is set in stone.

 

[kennadog]

Yeah...playing 12 years for the T'Wolves just killed Garnett's marketing opportunities.

I grew up in the LA area. There are some things I loved about it. However, you could not get me to leave the Sacramento area for LA for anything (unless son and family were there).

 

[kupman]

I don't know how may people here have spent much time in Minny, let alone have lived there. I have lived there and I can tell you that it does not suck.

In fact, there is some great living there. Extremely nice people, a ton of great hunting and fishing, the twin cities are clean and relatively safe with a wonderful university and a good sports scene. I could go on and on, but I won't. I just had to stick-up for place.

 

[kennadog]

I don't know how may people here have spent much time in Minny, let alone have lived there. I have lived there and I can tell you that it does not suck.

In fact, there is some great living there. Extremely nice people, a ton of great hunting and fishing, the twin cities are clean and relatively safe with a wonderful university and a good sports scene. I could go on and on, but I won't. I just had to stick-up for place.

I admit to not wanting to drive in or shovel snow. Other than that, I would probably rather try Minny than go back to LA.

 

[AriesMar27]

He would lose money anywhere; his rookie salary is set in stone.

thats exactly why he is staying and has nothing to do with his wanting to come to the nba. if you are gonna lose money do it somewhere thats fun to live or where you feel comfortable. but you have to admit going to a popular team would make it easier to market rubio. the twolves get how many nationally televised games? same goes for the kings but thats not the issue.

he can be in a thousand gillette commercials and no one will know who he is unless they are already fans or familiar with rubio. he goes to a team that gets regular national coverage everyone will know who he is and then he will be more marketable. how many good or even great players make money from marketing themselves to sell products? i havent seen tim duncan in many commercials.

 

[AriesMar27]

Yeah...playing 12 years for the T'Wolves just killed Garnett's marketing opportunities.

thats debatable... he's also a superstar in the nba thats played in how many all-star games? but to be honest he's been in more commercials since joining the celtics than he did in his 11+ years in minny.... before you would see him every once in a while in a gatorade commercial but the minute he joined the celtics he had several on some monty python on steroids type commercials.

he had some ugly addias shoes i think but who really bought them? bigmen really dont sell shoes. if rubio meets or exceeds his potential he will sell a hell of a lot more shoes than kg ever did.