Probably Malone 9-5 GOAT period. I criticised his offense but I was very excited about that team. Prior to that would have been the Cousins Dalembert squad where I thought the future was looking bright. Unfortunately Tyreke got hurt and Cousins clashed with Westphal and we brought back John Salmons.
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I think the Kings made a massive mistake that off-season. The Cousins/Dalembert/JT Trio was providing some really good front court minutes and was causing issues to best front courts in the league. Guard trio of Udrih, Evans and Thornton was playing well together and complemented each other really well. What the team was missing was a genuinely good SF and some good veteran presence and of course a good coach.
Then the off-season happened. Let Dalembert walk so that we could sign Chuck freaking Hayes, trade Beno and our picks for Salmons and eventually pick Jimmer. One bad off-season and it all went to crap. I get the impression that that particular summer was the start of making a bad move after a bad move and blowing a pick after pick which is a bit unusual because until that draft, Quincy Douby pick aside, one thing that Petrie did was well draft productive NBA players with our picks. With Jimmer pick and the rumored Maloof influence on the decision making we went on to pissing our early picks into the wind just so that we could have either a PR aspect of bringing in the money (Jimmermania) or trying to cover for pending free-agents T-Rob because JT was a FA). Some absolutely terrible decision making for all the wrong reasons.
And just when we got rid off the Maloofs, along came the flat top and PDA to destroy any other assets we had other than DMC and even that one was close to being destroyed as well the moment he hired George Karl.
Then the off-season happened. Let Dalembert walk so that we could sign Chuck freaking Hayes, trade Beno and our picks for Salmons and eventually pick Jimmer. One bad off-season and it all went to crap. I get the impression that that particular summer was the start of making a bad move after a bad move and blowing a pick after pick which is a bit unusual because until that draft, Quincy Douby pick aside, one thing that Petrie did was well draft productive NBA players with our picks. With Jimmer pick and the rumored Maloof influence on the decision making we went on to pissing our early picks into the wind just so that we could have either a PR aspect of bringing in the money (Jimmermania) or trying to cover for pending free-agents T-Rob because JT was a FA). Some absolutely terrible decision making for all the wrong reasons.
And just when we got rid off the Maloofs, along came the flat top and PDA to destroy any other assets we had other than DMC and even that one was close to being destroyed as well the moment he hired George Karl.
Yeah, that off-season still pisses me off.
I'm seriously not over it, and I don;t know when I will be.
The Kings willingly gave up their starting PG who was the most stable, consistent player on the entire team. (no joke)
For the right to trade down.... and then get used-up, proven-unsuccessful John Salmons?!?!
They needed to ADD a starting SF that year - not give up their most consistent player - who ran the freaking offense, BTW!
That was such a talent giveaway, in both player AND draft position, it was absurd.
As has been said many times, Major League absurd.
People need to remember that the Maloofs pretty clearly were deliberately sabotaging the franchise, to make it easier to sell/move the team.
That's the main reason we're all in this behind-the-8-ball situation today still.
I'm seriously not over it, and I don;t know when I will be.
The Kings willingly gave up their starting PG who was the most stable, consistent player on the entire team. (no joke)
For the right to trade down.... and then get used-up, proven-unsuccessful John Salmons?!?!
They needed to ADD a starting SF that year - not give up their most consistent player - who ran the freaking offense, BTW!
That was such a talent giveaway, in both player AND draft position, it was absurd.
As has been said many times, Major League absurd.
People need to remember that the Maloofs pretty clearly were deliberately sabotaging the franchise, to make it easier to sell/move the team.
That's the main reason we're all in this behind-the-8-ball situation today still.
Tradition has little to do with a team that has had a large turnover including missing Rudy. Batman no longer has his Robin. We also have a new coach and the FO has had quite a turnover in the last few years. I doubt that this present concoction of new pieces moans and groans much about the past as their past is much different than the collective pasts of those who have followed this team since 1985. "Tradition" is good for "Fiddler on the Roof" but not for the Kings. In short, my and your collective memories have nothing to do with the present team. Our expectation has nothing to do with their expectation.
Forget Batman, it was a terrible injury for Gay, but he wasn't going to change anything; in fact his departure may have helped the team chemistry. This is season 11 fast approaching ANOTHER losing record to finish. 12 more losses would do it in fact. I've seen little to indicate that will change. Call it what you will, tradition, results, habit, history....it doesn't matter - they've been losers for over a decade for a variety of reasons. Only the Timberwolves have a longer playoff drought in the league. That's a Failure with a capital "F". I have no idea what you're trying to get at in your last 2 sentences....yes I hold my OWN expectations LOW for the season outcome and especially now based on a current 19-30 record.
I don't know about Glenn, but the problem I have isn't with you holding your own expectations as much as it is with you apparently not wanting to allow anyone else to have differing expectations.
What he means in his last sentences is that the current team doesn't remember all the years of losing for the simple reason they weren't here.
What he means in his last sentences is that the current team doesn't remember all the years of losing for the simple reason they weren't here.
You can respond again inappropriately if you like; it may end the discussion....but hey, you're the one who responded to me to begin with. My first comment was actually in response to someone else - not yours, but I responded to you since you responded to me. Let's call the whole thing off.
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Indeed. The race to nowhere continues apace:
Denver 22-28
Portland 22-29 -0.5
Dallas 20-30 -2.0
Sacramento 20-31 -2.5
New Orleans 19-32 -3.5
Minnesota 19-32 -3.5
I think we continue on now with 11 of 13 at home, so given the win% of all those teams, its nearly impossible we will not still be in the thick of it by the end of that stretch, which will end at about the 3/4 mark of the season. In fact I half expect us to be at the top of the heap. But you never know with us.
Note that the Nuggets are missing Gallinary (in some sites it reads "indefinitely", whatever that means, but in HERE it seems to indicate the next 6 games!), and Minnie just lost Lavine for the season.
Also, most of those teams face each other in the near future, so at least one of them is bound to lose some grounds (e.g. DAL faces DEN and POR in a back-2--back February 6-7).
I feel our chances are not that shabby
(even though I'm a bit more conservative about our future home-record than your 11-2 estimate)
Also, most of those teams face each other in the near future, so at least one of them is bound to lose some grounds (e.g. DAL faces DEN and POR in a back-2--back February 6-7).
I feel our chances are not that shabby
(even though I'm a bit more conservative about our future home-record than your 11-2 estimate)
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Note that the Nuggets are missing Gallinary (in some sites it reads "indefinitely", whatever that means, but in HERE it seems to indicate the next 6 games!), and Minnie just lost Lavine for the season.
Also, most of those teams face each other in the near future, so at least one of them is bound to lose some grounds (e.g. DAL faces DEN and POR in a back-2--back February 6-7).
I feel our chances are not that shabby (even though I'm a bit more conservative about our future home-record than your 11-2 estimate)
Also, most of those teams face each other in the near future, so at least one of them is bound to lose some grounds (e.g. DAL faces DEN and POR in a back-2--back February 6-7).
I feel our chances are not that shabby
(even though I'm a bit more conservative about our future home-record than your 11-2 estimate)
WAIT! Why are we talking about 13 home games exactly?...
I simply followed Brick's lead,
but having checked the actual schedule, we have 18 more home games! It goes like (red games - the hardest of each home stretch & probable Ls IMHO):
I simply followed Brick's lead,
but having checked the actual schedule, we have 18 more home games! It goes like (red games - the hardest of each home stretch & probable Ls IMHO):
- 4 more seriousness-check home games straight-up right now (CHI, BOS, ATL, NOP)
- 2 "neighbourhood" road games just before the all-star break, one much more winnable (LAL) than the other (GSW)
- 5 home games in a row after the AS break (DEN, CHA, MIN, BKN, UTA)
- 2 barely winnable road games in DEN (b2b mile-high...) and SAS.
- 3 more home games (WAS, DEN, ORL)
- Road: PHO, OKC, SAS(!)
- Home: MIL
- Road: GSW, LAC(!)
- Home tough games (split W/L?): MEM & UTA (the 1st is on a b2b, after those hard road games)
- Road should-wins: NOP & MIN
- Home must-win: DAL
- Road must-win: LAL (Should never accept losing to THOSE GUYS)
- Home split W/L (HOU, PHO)
- Last game of the season - on the road vs LAC
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